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[SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi

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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #30 on: December 22, 2017, 01:32:02 AM
Episode four: Ben teaches Luke how to feel the force, so he can swish a lightsaber to catch a few laser stings shot by a training Droid.
Episode five, Yoda teaches Luke how to run around and get sweaty, while force lift a bunch of small things.
Episode six, Luke watches Yoda vanish.

When cinema goers came out from watching Return of the Jedi, what did they know about the Emperor? His backstory had to wait like 20-30 years.  :ahhh

THANK YOU! Glad to know someone saw the same damn movie I did.

Everyone whining online about a lack of background on Snoke should remember in two movies he got at least as many, and probably more, lines than Palpatine did in three. Prior to the prequels he was just an old man who Vader was scared of- enough said. And honestly, that was a cooler death than just being chucked screaming down an air shaft. Snoke was arrogant, but I think he was a more complete villain than Palpatine was portrayed pre-1999

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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #31 on: December 22, 2017, 02:09:48 AM
If anyone wants to enjoy this movie, stay away from reddit, yikes!!  :facepalm:
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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #32 on: December 22, 2017, 02:20:33 AM
Episode four: Ben teaches Luke how to feel the force, so he can swish a lightsaber to catch a few laser stings shot by a training Droid.
Episode five, Yoda teaches Luke how to run around and get sweaty, while force lift a bunch of small things.
Episode six, Luke watches Yoda vanish.

When cinema goers came out from watching Return of the Jedi, what did they know about the Emperor? His backstory had to wait like 20-30 years.  :ahhh

THANK YOU! Glad to know someone saw the same damn movie I did.

Everyone whining online about a lack of background on Snoke should remember in two movies he got at least as many, and probably more, lines than Palpatine did in three. Prior to the prequels he was just an old man who Vader was scared of- enough said. And honestly, that was a cooler death than just being chucked screaming down an air shaft. Snoke was arrogant, but I think he was a more complete villain than Palpatine was portrayed pre-1999
I think that Palpatine only appeared in two movies of the original trilogy? Not three?  :D
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He was only mentioned in passing in A New Hope.
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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #33 on: December 22, 2017, 02:20:46 AM
If anyone wants to enjoy this movie, stay away from reddit, yikes!!  :facepalm:
Yeah....  :rofl:
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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #34 on: December 22, 2017, 03:47:49 AM
If anyone wants to enjoy this movie, stay away from reddit, yikes!!  :facepalm:

If you want to enjoy anything, stay away from reddit. I find it to be much akin to the pits the Uruk-hai came from.
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Reply #35 on: December 23, 2017, 11:39:05 PM
Just watched it this afternoon.  I'm still digesting a little, but I certainly didn't hate it.  The big thing that really bugs me though (and I notice no-one else has brought this up) is; why the smurf didn't Vice Admiral Haldo just tell Poe what she was planning?  No, she keeps it to herself and risks a mutiny that nearly ruins everything. 
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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #36 on: December 24, 2017, 12:18:26 AM
Just watched it this afternoon.  I'm still digesting a little, but I certainly didn't hate it.  The big thing that really bugs me though (and I notice no-one else has brought this up) is; why the smurf didn't Vice Admiral Haldo just tell Poe what she was planning?  No, she keeps it to herself and risks a mutiny that nearly ruins everything ruined everything.
I don't know how, but as a result of Poe/Finns actions, there was the Master Codebreaker who alerted the 1st Order of the cloaked Rebel ships sneaking away... so it did ruin pretty much everything.
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Reply #37 on: December 24, 2017, 01:45:05 AM

 Mrs. TJ and I saw it last weekend and I thought it was better than The Force Awakens and didn't drag as much. Mrs. TJ wants a porgue now.  :whistle:
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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #38 on: December 24, 2017, 01:46:24 AM
Just watched it this afternoon.  I'm still digesting a little, but I certainly didn't hate it.  The big thing that really bugs me though (and I notice no-one else has brought this up) is; why the smurf didn't Vice Admiral Haldo just tell Poe what she was planning?  No, she keeps it to herself and risks a mutiny that nearly ruins everything.
She knows that the rebels are being tracked through hyperspace. And occams razor suggests a mole. Put yourself in her shoes, what would you do?  :think:

Oh, and militaries love "need to know" protocols.  :rofl:
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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #39 on: December 24, 2017, 09:42:15 AM
Just watched it this afternoon.  I'm still digesting a little, but I certainly didn't hate it.  The big thing that really bugs me though (and I notice no-one else has brought this up) is; why the smurf didn't Vice Admiral Haldo just tell Poe what she was planning?  No, she keeps it to herself and risks a mutiny that nearly ruins everything ruined everything.
I don't know how, but as a result of Poe/Finns actions, there was the Master Codebreaker who alerted the 1st Order of the cloaked Rebel ships sneaking away... so it did ruin pretty much everything.

and I think that might be my big problem.  There does seems to have been a lot of decisions and actions that only happen to set up the next part of the story and fail to have any kind of internal logic.
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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #40 on: December 24, 2017, 02:34:59 PM
In the same vein....

You have a dozen or so capital ships tracking one ship- one of which is capable of tracking the target through hyperspace.  The target ship is the entire focus of the dozen or so pursuers, and all of the vessels are equipped with sensors and windows and yet no one notices the transports leaving it?

Knowing the Rebels are very resourceful, none of the Star Destroyer captains decided to leave the sensors on in case the Rebels tried something?

Let's also forget for a moment that weight wouldn't actually make a difference..... the Rebel ship is smaller and lighter and therefore able to pull away faster than the bigger First Order fleet... why didn't they eventually get out of range of the First Order's guns?

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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #41 on: December 24, 2017, 02:41:04 PM
In the same vein....

You have a dozen or so capital ships tracking one ship- one of which is capable of tracking the target through hyperspace.  The target ship is the entire focus of the dozen or so pursuers, and all of the vessels are equipped with sensors and windows and yet no one notices the transports leaving it?

Knowing the Rebels are very resourceful, none of the Star Destroyer captains decided to leave the sensors on in case the Rebels tried something?
Haven't you learnt anything from Star trek? Stealth is magic.  8)

Let's also forget for a moment that weight wouldn't actually make a difference..... the Rebel ship is smaller and lighter and therefore able to pull away faster than the bigger First Order fleet... why didn't they eventually get out of range of the First Order's guns?
Weren't they running out of fuel or something?Also, big ships are not necessarily slower than small ships, if they have inertial dampeners and large enough engines.  8)

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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #42 on: December 24, 2017, 03:17:55 PM
I agree that size doesn't matter much in space- but that's what they said in the movie, that the Rebel ship was smaller and lighter than the New Order ships.

Also, if they had portable Death Star tech (since they landed it on the planet) why couldn't they have just wheeled it over to a forward facing cargo bay and fired it at the fleeing Rebel ship?

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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #43 on: December 24, 2017, 03:19:58 PM
I agree that size doesn't matter much in space- but that's what they said in the movie, that the Rebel ship was smaller and lighter than the New Order ships.

Also, if they had portable Death Star tech (since they landed it on the planet) why couldn't they have just wheeled it over to a forward facing cargo bay and fired it at the fleeing Rebel ship?

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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #44 on: December 24, 2017, 03:34:07 PM
Oh, Pabs... there are obviously a lot of issues with Episode VIII, denial won't change them  :pok:  But I agree, E VIII definitely needs more Porgs. 
However, I do think I should re-watch in the hope of liking it more.... and to be fair, there have been MAJOR issues with pretty much every episode (except E V :D )

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Reply #45 on: December 24, 2017, 03:34:40 PM
Oh, Pabs... there are obviously a lot of issues with Episode VIII, denial won't change them  :pok:  But I agree, E VIII definitely needs more Porgs. 
However, I do think I should re-watch in the hope of liking it more.... and to be fair, there have been MAJOR issues with pretty much every episode (except E V :D )
The porgs were great.  :like:
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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #47 on: December 25, 2017, 02:18:15 AM
I saw it today. It is an uneventful 2.5 hours. I am surprised they did not killed off Leia. Maybe they will do that in the first 5 minutes of ep09?

There were a lot of plot holes in this movie. I would have been a bit more satisfied if Finn rammed into that cannon. They just had to let that Rose character ruined that moment for me. The love confessing scene was awkward.

Overall, the original ep04,05,06, and Rouge One were fun. All others so far have been forgettable.

I probably go watch Jumanji after Christmas. It may be a better flick than this one.

Lastly, I found English actresses a lot more lovely than American ones.  >:D


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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #48 on: December 26, 2017, 12:07:02 PM
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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #49 on: January 04, 2018, 12:11:11 PM
Not to buck the trend or anything, but I actually really liked this movie.  :tu:

The cinematography was excellent (with the exception of the Emporer cgi, that was classic Serkis lame (again)), and the story was a logical progression of the storyline, maybe not one I would have written, but good nonetheless. It didn't feel long to me, and I liked the familiarity of the characters, it felt like home in a way. Not happy about Luke going to join the Force, but wasn't happy about Han Solo being killed off either. Had a good mix of action and quiet for my taste, but done in typical Abrams hard hitting style similar to alt. timeline Trek, kind of the way movies are going these days anyhow. The story was not particularly predictable given all the previous movies and backstory, which I was happy about also, it felt both fresh and at home at the same time, a function of good editing and directing I think. So yeah I liked it, and in the words of Admiral Kirk, "I'm not a drama critic"...  :D


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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #50 on: January 04, 2018, 01:00:50 PM
I saw it yesterday. I liked it better than the first one, much more.
My favorite things:

- The visuals and cinematography of the post Snoke's death scene, all fire and red and lasers and sh*t was well played and made

- The hyperspace jump against the fleet and the visual effect it left, looked plausible and very aesthetically pleasing
(but then again, why the hell did she have to wait for half the rebel ships to be massacred before charging against the fleet? Hundred would've been saved if she had employed that technique as soon as the rebel's escape ships left the cruiser   :rant:
Also the other companion ships could've turned back and rammed the fleet as well with their hyperspace engines as soon as they were emptied)

- The development and acting of Ben. Much better than the first one and he created some doubt about his decisions and future

- The island where Luke is. The animals, natural landscapes, buildings, etc. were cool and a different touch to the series' environments.

- The return of classics (AT-AT, the two legged robot from the Ewok planets, the big destroyers, etc.) with some updated parts and looks, as well as C3PO and R2

But then again, lots of problems

- Yeah they should've let Leia die there, she adds nothing to the plot or film after that scene and now they have to make up something to kill her for the next film. She was obviously old and tired, let her end it in a good way. The return via the force was uncalled for and poorly done, adding nothing

- Rose should also have let Finn crash into the cannon. It's improbable that they would've survived on plain sight in front of 6 AT-AT without weapons or cover of any kind, after losing both ships in the cannon attack  :ahhh

- After the first shot with the gun against the door, why don't they shoot a second and third and fourth time and kill everyone inside the base? Or just bomb them from space, with the AT-ATs or any other distance weapon frying everything inside the cave?  :think:

- The Casino planet and most things happening there were quite irrelevant, too many stupid details and "fun" things, poorly made and only added extra length and time to the movie...Del Toro wasn't that good at acting and it's unlikely he knew the rebel's plans or had time to communicate with the first Order to set a trap... :P

- The mirror scene from Rey was really poor and obvious CGI, and also added nothing to the plot IMO. Luke's death was lame and just random/unnecessary. Really bad CGI too at the crystal/salt planet when Rey moves the rocks and lets them fall.

overall I wasn't really pleased with it, but was much more entertaining then the previous one, but still too long
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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #51 on: January 04, 2018, 01:35:07 PM
I agree with a few points, however, if Leia did die earlier on as we kind of expected there wouldn't have been any use for the Luke/Leia reunion towards the end, which in a way would have been a shame, even though it was force hologram Luke, not actual Luke (I noticed the different appearance immediately and thought what a huge continuity error but then the leaving no footprint on the planet tipped it off)

I assume the idea of the gun was to crack open the door, not destroy the entire base and occupants to capture for questioning, otherwise orbital bombardment would have been the attack of choice. Also, it likely required time to build a charge.

It strikes me as odd that we haven't seen hyperspace suicide runs as a weapon sooner, surely shielding would protect against such a thing. Also the Rogue One ramming scene kind of set a precedent for this kind of attack. In this case I feel they needed to get close enough to the old base to do the small ship escape plan, thus the sacrifice of the other ships. Something about that seems off, also why the need to lose an obviously talented general when a droid could have done that other than she only signed on for one film.

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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #52 on: January 04, 2018, 03:50:09 PM
I saw it yesterday. I liked it better than the first one, much more.
My favorite things:

- The visuals and cinematography of the post Snoke's death scene, all fire and red and lasers and sh*t was well played and made

- The hyperspace jump against the fleet and the visual effect it left, looked plausible and very aesthetically pleasing
(but then again, why the hell did she have to wait for half the rebel ships to be massacred before charging against the fleet? Hundred would've been saved if she had employed that technique as soon as the rebel's escape ships left the cruiser   :rant:
Also the other companion ships could've turned back and rammed the fleet as well with their hyperspace engines as soon as they were emptied)

- The development and acting of Ben. Much better than the first one and he created some doubt about his decisions and future

- The island where Luke is. The animals, natural landscapes, buildings, etc. were cool and a different touch to the series' environments.

- The return of classics (AT-AT, the two legged robot from the Ewok planets, the big destroyers, etc.) with some updated parts and looks, as well as C3PO and R2

But then again, lots of problems

- Yeah they should've let Leia die there, she adds nothing to the plot or film after that scene and now they have to make up something to kill her for the next film. She was obviously old and tired, let her end it in a good way. The return via the force was uncalled for and poorly done, adding nothing

- Rose should also have let Finn crash into the cannon. It's improbable that they would've survived on plain sight in front of 6 AT-AT without weapons or cover of any kind, after losing both ships in the cannon attack  :ahhh

- After the first shot with the gun against the door, why don't they shoot a second and third and fourth time and kill everyone inside the base? Or just bomb them from space, with the AT-ATs or any other distance weapon frying everything inside the cave?  :think:

- The Casino planet and most things happening there were quite irrelevant, too many stupid details and "fun" things, poorly made and only added extra length and time to the movie...Del Toro wasn't that good at acting and it's unlikely he knew the rebel's plans or had time to communicate with the first Order to set a trap... :P

- The mirror scene from Rey was really poor and obvious CGI, and also added nothing to the plot IMO. Luke's death was lame and just random/unnecessary. Really bad CGI too at the crystal/salt planet when Rey moves the rocks and lets them fall.

overall I wasn't really pleased with it, but was much more entertaining then the previous one, but still too long

Pretty much how I felt, nice summary.  :cheers:
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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #53 on: January 04, 2018, 04:48:06 PM

I assume the idea of the gun was to crack open the door, not destroy the entire base and occupants to capture for questioning, otherwise orbital bombardment would have been the attack of choice. Also, it likely required time to build a charge.



That was what I thought at first, but then
Ben exactly says on that scene, after opening the door:

"Make no prisoners"...
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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #54 on: January 04, 2018, 04:57:15 PM

- The island where Luke is. The animals, natural landscapes, buildings, etc. were cool and a different touch to the series' environments.



the island (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skellig_Michael) is not too far from where I grew up, i haven;t yet had the chance to visit it every summer i say this year . . . so yeah this summer.
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Re: [SPOILER ALERT] Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi
Reply #55 on: January 04, 2018, 05:11:58 PM

I assume the idea of the gun was to crack open the door, not destroy the entire base and occupants to capture for questioning, otherwise orbital bombardment would have been the attack of choice. Also, it likely required time to build a charge.



That was what I thought at first, but then
Ben exactly says on that scene, after opening the door:

"Make no prisoners"...
yes, but bodies to identify them is useful, whereas a vaporized base leaves little proof
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Reply #56 on: January 04, 2018, 06:14:03 PM
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Reply #57 on: January 04, 2018, 08:59:32 PM
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Reply #58 on: January 04, 2018, 09:21:31 PM
i preferred episode 7 and rogue one especially.

Disney have ruined star wars and made it feel cheap and too comical.
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Reply #59 on: January 04, 2018, 09:23:13 PM
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