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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #120 on: February 26, 2018, 11:35:58 PM
Quote from: aikon2014 on February 26, 2018, 11:27:26 PM
Quote from: Top-Gear-24 on February 26, 2018, 10:41:18 PM
Quote from: aikon2014 on February 26, 2018, 10:28:48 PM
I saw a video on youtube and it said only for sale in the US, is the + tools not coming to Europe?

They are already here mate :D.

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Omg! Is there any place that ships to Sweden that got them???  :gimme:

I don't know mate, I found mine at the local outdoor shop, I doubt they will ship to Sweden  :-\.
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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #121 on: February 27, 2018, 11:40:58 AM
Top notch pics TG 8) :like: :like:
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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #122 on: February 27, 2018, 11:26:04 PM
Quote from: Poncho65 on February 27, 2018, 11:40:58 AM
Top notch pics TG 8) :like: :like:
Thanks Poncho, took those inside, with bad lighting and with my smartphone ... but they turned out just fine, didn't they  ;).
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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #123 on: February 28, 2018, 05:33:09 AM
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I saw a video on youtube and it said only for sale in the US, is the + tools not coming to Europe?

They are already here mate :D.

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Omg! Is there any place that ships to Sweden that got them???  :gimme:

Heinnie in the UK will, but probably best to wait for lamnia.com
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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #124 on: February 28, 2018, 09:08:22 AM
How does te Wave+ plierhead compare to the OHT?
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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #125 on: February 28, 2018, 09:15:34 AM
Gerber should go in the other direction of the Wave+ and offer the Center-Drive with non-replaceable wire-cutters.
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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #126 on: February 28, 2018, 09:44:55 AM
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Gerber should go in the other direction of the Wave+ and offer the Center-Drive with non-replaceable wire-cutters.

Hmm, to me replaceable cutters are a God sent. They need to change it to a decent material. If leatherman can use a chunk of 154 at the same price or even cheaper, I dun see why gerber can't do that.
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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #127 on: March 02, 2018, 05:50:45 PM
Greetings all,

I received a Charge Plus from a Polish Webshop a couple of days ago, but would welcome some advice from the Leatherman regulars

I'm really happy with the feature set (it's why I bought it after all!) but the quality control appears to be lacking..
So much so that I'm already toying around with the idea of returning it and buying a ST Spirit, or sending it to LM for a rework, but wanted to get the consensus from you guys first.
This my first LM since a bomb-proof PST I had over a decade ago.



Pliers - incredibly stiff to open, so much so that working with them now is a pain in the ass - Yeah ok, it's no biggie if it'll loosen up with time (or even after degrease/regrease routine) but is this normal?

Can opener & bit driver - so loose, they're flapping around whenever you open the tool - I've tried making the screws tight as I dare with my nails, but they only stay put for a short period -  Loctite would be the answer, but should this be needed on a brand new tool!?

Main Blade - incredibly tight to deploy that it needs two hands to open comfortably, or isVERY uncomfortable to the opening thumb. The serrated blade is buttery smooth to open, so I guess the screw on the main blade side was over-torqued at the factory  :twak:

File - is DULL (Compared to Victorinox) ..this thing wouldn't scare the edges off wood, let alone metal!  Is this common for the new Leatherman tools?

On a happier note, the new sheath is REALLY nice, the big opening buckle is rock solid opening and closing, and my bit extender and micro torch are nicely secured due to the nylon being wide enough to cover the opposite side of the opening, preventing lateral fall-through :cheers:


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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #128 on: March 02, 2018, 06:08:01 PM
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Reply #129 on: March 02, 2018, 06:34:32 PM
The pliers are sometimes stiff to begin with but should loosen with use. The file should absolutely not be dull and the tools shouldn't be loose enough to flop open.

If it was me I would try tightening the loose tools up but the dull file would be a no go and I would return it for a replacement.
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Reply #130 on: March 02, 2018, 07:11:57 PM
If you want to tight the loose tools you will probably need a set of loki- mobile wrenches, because using needle nose pliers will ruin the nice black oxide finish. I'm not sure why LM uses those knurled head pivot screws instead the 6 point star? Maybe something to do with the aluminum scales?  :think:
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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #131 on: March 03, 2018, 02:00:13 AM
Quote from: JustinCase on March 02, 2018, 07:11:57 PM
If you want to tight the loose tools you will probably need a set of loki- mobile wrenches, because using needle nose pliers will ruin the nice black oxide finish. I'm not sure why LM uses those knurled head pivot screws instead the 6 point star? Maybe something to do with the aluminum scales?  :think:

Wow, thanks for the great tips, I've dropped loki a PM

Quote from: SteveC on March 02, 2018, 06:34:32 PM
The pliers are sometimes stiff to begin with but should loosen with use. The file should absolutely not be dull and the tools shouldn't be loose enough to flop open.

If it was me I would try tightening the loose tools up but the dull file would be a no go and I would return it for a replacement.

Well calling them dull may be a *slight* exaggeration, but as I said, compared to Victorinox's, which I would call fairly aggressive, the LM is dull in comparison.

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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #132 on: March 03, 2018, 04:11:19 AM
Quote from: ElSteverino on March 03, 2018, 02:00:13 AM
Quote from: JustinCase on March 02, 2018, 07:11:57 PM
If you want to tight the loose tools you will probably need a set of loki- mobile wrenches, because using needle nose pliers will ruin the nice black oxide finish. I'm not sure why LM uses those knurled head pivot screws instead the 6 point star? Maybe something to do with the aluminum scales?  :think:

Wow, thanks for the great tips, I've dropped loki a PM

Quote from: SteveC on March 02, 2018, 06:34:32 PM
The pliers are sometimes stiff to begin with but should loosen with use. The file should absolutely not be dull and the tools shouldn't be loose enough to flop open.

If it was me I would try tightening the loose tools up but the dull file would be a no go and I would return it for a replacement.

Well calling them dull may be a *slight* exaggeration, but as I said, compared to Victorinox's, which I would call fairly aggressive, the LM is dull in comparison.

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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #133 on: March 03, 2018, 12:14:52 PM
Hope you get the problems sorted without having to return it or send it in :salute: I think I only have one newer tool ( my New Surge from 2017) and it didn't have many or any issue :salute: Sorry to hear about the QC not being up to snuff :facepalm:
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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #134 on: March 03, 2018, 04:16:47 PM
Quote from: Poncho65 on March 03, 2018, 12:14:52 PM
Hope you get the problems sorted without having to return it or send it in :salute: I think I only have one newer tool ( my New Surge from 2017) and it didn't have many or any issue :salute: Sorry to hear about the QC not being up to snuff :facepalm:

Yeah thanks - I've have a couple of nights to sleep on it and I think I'm going to send it in for rework - I think it's only fair to give LM a chance to correct it.
I'm wondering whether the reason the 'plus' models aren't yet available from the German channels is due to tougher local QC standards *shrugs*

I had a chance to test out the bit driver today, putting up some flat-pack furni
Switching between flat-head and pozi is a dream  :D
If I can get past all the QC hiccups, I could see this being my favourite tool!

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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #135 on: March 03, 2018, 05:04:32 PM
Welcome  ;)  and sorry to hear you are disappointed.

the tool should wear and give with use,
but the loose tools are annoying and I've had that happen twice   :P

maybe (just a thought  ???) if you are not used to LM Diamond files the file might seem dull, especially compared to that of Victorinox, because at the touch is noticeably smoother and doesn't grab things or bite into them like Vic's, even though it's harder because of the diamond?  :think:
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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #136 on: March 03, 2018, 05:40:49 PM
Quote from: ThePeacent on March 03, 2018, 05:04:32 PM
Welcome  ;)  and sorry to hear you are disappointed.

the tool should wear and give with use,
but the loose tools are annoying and I've had that happen twice   :P

maybe (just a thought  ???) if you are not used to LM Diamond files the file might seem dull, especially compared to that of Victorinox, because at the touch is noticeably smoother and doesn't grab things or bite into them like Vic's, even though it's harder because of the diamond?  :think:

Yeah, I was referring to the bite of the wood/metal side, not diamond coated (which seems very nice/fine)
I tried the wood/metal side today on an off-cut of wood and it works, but needs quite lot of pressure.
I guess it could just be Leathermans cutting profile that I'm not used to

The file isn't a deal-breaker, just a little disappointing on top of my other QC issues..

Thanks for the welcome  :cheers:

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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #137 on: March 04, 2018, 11:38:49 PM
Perhaps compare your file with those on other Leathermans at your nearest store? Then you will know if you got a bad one or if it's just Leatherman's files you aren't used to.

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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #138 on: March 05, 2018, 03:47:25 AM
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I saw a video on youtube and it said only for sale in the US, is the + tools not coming to Europe?

They are already here mate :D.

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Omg! Is there any place that ships to Sweden that got them???  :gimme:


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Reply #139 on: March 05, 2018, 09:19:27 AM
Quote from: Pipboy on March 05, 2018, 03:47:25 AM
You can go to LINK REMOVED. Ships worldwide.

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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #140 on: March 05, 2018, 09:43:01 PM
It's kind of a bummer to hear these QC issues. I was considering ordering a Wave+ as a slightly more pocket-friendly option for days where I don't have tons planned to warrant carrying my Surge. However, if there are issues with brand new tools like this, maybe I'll hold off. Maybe I'll just pick up a regular Wave instead.  :-\
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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #141 on: March 06, 2018, 12:38:38 AM
I got my Wave+ today and I'm pleased to say I have no QC issues with my tool. Actually I don't normally have issues with Leatherman tools. Only one I have ever had with a problem is my OHT, teeth don't line up but it's ok. Still functions fine but seems to be a common issue with that specific tool.

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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #142 on: March 06, 2018, 01:36:05 AM
Quote from: David Bowen on March 06, 2018, 12:38:38 AM
I got my Wave+ today and I'm pleased to say I have no QC issues with my tool. Actually I don't normally have issues with Leatherman tools. Only one I have ever had with a problem is my OHT, teeth don't line up but it's ok. Still functions fine but seems to be a common issue with that specific tool.

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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #143 on: March 14, 2018, 11:32:51 AM
Quote from: Syncop8r on March 04, 2018, 11:38:49 PM
Perhaps compare your file with those on other Leathermans at your nearest store? Then you will know if you got a bad one or if it's just Leatherman's files you aren't used to.

Yes, I did this, and checked out a non-plus Charge - in comparison mine felt marginally smoother than the one in the store, but yeah you're right, it seems my expectation of the amount of bite was off..

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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #144 on: March 14, 2018, 12:48:13 PM
My Charge+ just came back from its vacation in Solingen. After cleaning up the excess oil (which kinda smells of aniseed) I have given it a quick once-over and wanted to report back

Generally all tools are much easier to open, and before you continue reading the rest of this post, I want to clarify I am happy!  :cheers:



Pliers much smoother to open/close

Can opener & bit driver no longer flapping around and retaining nicely, but the screw (nearest the gap for the clip mount) is still loose ..is this inherent in the design, or could/should it be loctite'd?

Main blade  now deploys buttery smooth - even smoother than serrated blade, but (if I'm being critical) slight lateral play when open  :think:
What's disappointing (again, being critical) is the File behind the main blade now rubs against the scale when opening/closing.
Certainly no deal-breaker, but it grinds my gears (and scales!) to hear it..  :doh:
I'm wondering whether I should try bending it to create some clearance

File same as before, but as I said in the post above, it seems my expectations were off..
Like I say, nothing is a deal-breaker, I am, by and large, a happy Charge owner once again. It's really great tool-set  :multi:

If I compare it to my various Vic's (58's through 130's) and a PST from back in the day, the tolerances of the charge plus cannot be compared.
..but to quote Tony Soprano: "Whadd’ya gonna do?"  :shrug:

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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #145 on: March 14, 2018, 12:54:33 PM
Yes loctite anything that's loose.
Tighten screw to reduce blade play and possibly the file rub.
Don't try to bend the file, it will most likely snap.

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Re: Wave Plus? Charge Plus?
Reply #146 on: March 14, 2018, 01:59:53 PM
Quote from: zoidberg on March 14, 2018, 12:54:33 PM
Yes loctite anything that's loose.
Tighten screw to reduce blade play and possibly the file rub.
Don't try to bend the file, it will most likely snap.
Thanks for the quick feedback and tips Zoidberg - appreciated  :tu:

Do I need  the keys which Loki-mobile used to sell? (he's not responded to my DM and from another thread appears to no longer have them)
I read elsewhere that two sets of pliers also works. but I'm still a little cautious of stripping the coating on the Alu scales..

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Reply #147 on: March 14, 2018, 02:04:52 PM
I've used blunt nosed pliers before, others have gone with vampire pliers etc.
A bit of sellotape should protect the scales if you're worried.

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Reply #148 on: March 14, 2018, 02:09:38 PM
I think someone ground a groove in plier jaws to make dedicated pivot removing pliers.  :think:
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Reply #149 on: April 15, 2018, 03:41:10 PM
So, does anyone have a Wave or Charge Plus? Any thoughts on them?
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