Wave Plus? Charge Plus?

an0nemus · **Reply #30 on:** January 13, 2018, 02:02:14 PM

When is the SHOT Show this year?

ironraven · **Reply #31 on:** January 13, 2018, 02:29:27 PM

Smells like a pre-order to me. Or they got Lot 0 and are opening their mouths before SHOT which will make LM so perky.

JustinCase · **Reply #32 on:** January 13, 2018, 06:45:15 PM

Basically did same mods to my edc Wave and sheath a couple of years ago plus added the Wingman scissors

Sam Lim · **Reply #33 on:** January 13, 2018, 07:44:58 PM

Quote from: JustinCase on January 13, 2018, 06:45:15 PM

Basically did same mods to my edc Wave and sheath a couple of years ago plus added the Wingman scissors
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Time traveller? Should have gotten a patent for that!

SteveC · **Reply #34 on:** January 13, 2018, 07:58:20 PM

Maybe a Mini Surge is not too far away

Glockfan · **Reply #35 on:** January 13, 2018, 11:50:53 PM

Had a gift card burning a whole in my pocket, ordered the black wave plus.

We will see if it’s a bust or not. $:-\$ I sure hope it isn’t.

Will update.

WWW · **Reply #36 on:** January 14, 2018, 12:36:22 AM

I was browsing the web today and saw this too. I thought about posting it here but thought it was old news. Smoky Mountain also have the plus option.

leatherman-shop.de · **Reply #37 on:** January 15, 2018, 09:38:48 AM

wow, have not heard about it.

I think we have to wait until SHOT 2018 to see if it is real. But i doubt they are already in stock even before any presentation?!

JustinCase · **Reply #38 on:** January 15, 2018, 06:29:58 PM

After asking for the those three "specific models" of LM multi-tools PLUS version, I received an email from HQ Costumer Service with the following response which, by the way, still does not answered my question related to the PLUS

"Thank you for your inquiry. Yes all of the Leatherman products we have are legitimate as we receive them all from Leatherman directly. You can also try contacting Leatherman to verify our active dealer status with them"

Please let me know if you have any further questions or concerns.

Thank you,

Seth L.
Customer Service Representative

Mr Biriyani · **Reply #39 on:** January 15, 2018, 11:31:01 PM

chrono · **Reply #40 on:** January 18, 2018, 05:52:48 AM

I don't like the look of that replaceable cutter set-up. The wall is too thin. They can improve it a bit by adding a bevel on the lower outer edge of the blade, and leave extra material on the plier to fill that void.

gadgetman7 · **Reply #41 on:** January 19, 2018, 12:40:04 PM

Well...I ordered a Charge Plus. Curious if they’re are any other changes.

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Sam Lim · **Reply #42 on:** January 19, 2018, 01:11:53 PM

Quote from: chrono on January 18, 2018, 05:52:48 AM

I don't like the look of that replaceable cutter set-up. The wall is too thin. They can improve it a bit by adding a bevel on the lower outer edge of the blade, and leave extra material on the plier to fill that void.

I would think there's no need for the cutter to be so tall. It's a huge chunk of metal there. I dun think the top part is contributing to the the strength of the cutter at all.

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #43 on:** January 19, 2018, 02:19:25 PM

It's nice to see Leatherman continuing their longstanding tradition of producing tools that members here have already made.

Which I am certain were a process of "simultaneous development" and were not ideas sourced from here, naturally....

Def

SteveC · **Reply #44 on:** January 19, 2018, 02:22:52 PM

Quote from: Grant Lamontagne on January 19, 2018, 02:19:25 PM

It's nice to see Leatherman continuing their longstanding tradition of producing tools that members here have already made.

Which I am certain were a process of "simultaneous development" and were not ideas sourced from here, naturally....

Def

Not that they would ever admit it

gregpost · **Reply #45 on:** January 19, 2018, 04:42:24 PM

Quote from: Grant Lamontagne on January 19, 2018, 02:19:25 PM

It's nice to see Leatherman continuing their longstanding tradition of producing tools that members here have already made.

Which I am certain were a process of "simultaneous development" and were not ideas sourced from here, naturally....

Def

Is this really a fair criticism?

With a few exceptions, the members are making things from existing Leatherman design and parts, while it is cool they mod their own tools, they're not exactly being totally original or anything.

I see this with guitars. Players have been modding their own guitars for decades. Fender might come out with a hybrid of their own designs and then people say they ripped off the modders, but did they? Doesn't a company have the right to do whatever they want with their own models and parts. Unless I'm mistaken, were people putting carbide cutters on these tool before Leatherman had them on another model? That would be somewhat impressive, but swapping plier heads on models that already exist and are similar enough while that is neat, it's not exactly Skunkworks r&d.

There is a long history of companies being inspired by their customer base, that is a good thing not an exploitation in my opinion. Part of any business is figuring out what your customer base wants. If the customer base shows hints that they want something, can you blame the company for making it. When the car culture was putting big engines in a light car, and Ford and others said hey people want this, was Ford wrong somehow for making a car the public wanted.

Poncho65 · **Reply #46 on:** January 19, 2018, 05:08:48 PM

Yes, but if they would at least acknowledge where the ideas came from it would be something

Of course it might come down to money for an idea and they don't want that I am sure

They are basically saying we came up with the idea on our own without feedback from anyone $:-\$

Plus the blame game can go on to Gerber stole their PST design so they stole the carbide cutter design and changed the material then stole the MP600, basically changed a few things and called it the OHT

JustinCase · **Reply #47 on:** January 19, 2018, 05:26:43 PM

Quote from: Poncho65 on January 19, 2018, 05:08:48 PM

Yes, but if they would at least acknowledge where the ideas came from it would be something Of course it might come down to money for an idea and they don't want that I am sure

They are basically saying we came up with the idea on our own without feedback from anyone $:-\$

Plus the blame game can go on to Gerber stole their PST design so they stole the carbide cutter design and changed the material then stole the MP600, basically changed a few things and called it the OHT

Or at least offer a 50% off any purchase for the idea..

gregpost · **Reply #48 on:** January 19, 2018, 05:55:18 PM

Quote from: Poncho65 on January 19, 2018, 05:08:48 PM

Yes, but if they would at least acknowledge where the ideas came from it would be something Of course it might come down to money for an idea and they don't want that I am sure

They are basically saying we came up with the idea on our own without feedback from anyone $:-\$

I don't understand what you mean or what you expect them to do.

Harley-Davidson makes motorcycles, many different models for a long time. People in the motorcycle culture took old Harleys and took bits and pieces off them, added some others, modified frames, mixed different models. People called their creations all different types of things. Harley over the years payed some attention, started taking design cues from the streets, offering customization from the factory, continued to make motorcycles. But what does Harley-Davidson owe the motorcycle community, except to continue trying to make models that will inspire people to buy, ride, and in some cases modify. In my opinion not a thing, their obligation is to make a good product, not much else.

NKlamerus · **Reply #49 on:** January 19, 2018, 05:58:24 PM

There was also the time LM used an image from a user on this site, did not give any credit and failed to realize it was a modded tool until the Facebook comments lit up!

I know there's a thread on it somewhere.

As a company, I'm sure they scan the site but at the moment they are too busy trying to cater to the newest generation, jumping into the niches with 1 peice tools for example.

mcb · **Reply #50 on:** January 19, 2018, 06:20:56 PM

I really like this new plus versions. I have not bought a Wave or Charge due to the pliers head. I really like the idea of of the replaceable cutters and love that on my Surge. A Wave Plus might now be a worth little brother to my Surge.

Poncho65 · **Reply #51 on:** January 19, 2018, 06:40:24 PM

Quote from: gregpost on January 19, 2018, 05:55:18 PM

Quote from: Poncho65 on January 19, 2018, 05:08:48 PM
Yes, but if they would at least acknowledge where the ideas came from it would be something Of course it might come down to money for an idea and they don't want that I am sure

They are basically saying we came up with the idea on our own without feedback from anyone $:-\$

I don't understand what you mean or what you expect them to do.

Harley-Davidson makes motorcycles, many different models for a long time. People in the motorcycle culture took old Harleys and took bits and pieces off them, added some others, modified frames, mixed different models. People called their creations all different types of things. Harley over the years payed some attention, started taking design cues from the streets, offering customization from the factory, continued to make motorcycles. But what does Harley-Davidson owe the motorcycle community, except to continue trying to make models that will inspire people to buy, ride, and in some cases modify. In my opinion not a thing, their obligation is to make a good product, not much else.

We can just agree to disagree on this is what we can do

Don Pablo · **Reply #52 on:** January 19, 2018, 06:50:59 PM

Quote from: NKlamerus on January 19, 2018, 05:58:24 PM

There was also the time LM used an image from a user on this site, did not give any credit and failed to realize it was a modded tool until the Facebook comments lit up!

I know there's a thread on it somewhere.

As a company, I'm sure they scan the site but at the moment they are too busy trying to cater to the newest generation, jumping into the niches with 1 peice tools for example.

Now THATS interesting.

Anyone got a link?

gregpost · **Reply #53 on:** January 19, 2018, 07:22:41 PM

Quote from: Poncho65 on January 19, 2018, 06:40:24 PM

We can just agree to disagree on this is what we can do

I'm not even trying to disagree. I'm trying to understand what the point being made is and what people expect from Leatherman.

If the criticism is that these are bad(nobody has tried them) or that it's a stale idea(many posts here have been asking for a model like this from Leatherman) that is a whole other discussion.

SteveC · **Reply #54 on:** January 19, 2018, 08:21:38 PM

I believe the point being made is that MTO leads the way again for Leatherman.

ThundahBeagle · **Reply #55 on:** January 19, 2018, 09:44:51 PM

Quote from: gregpost on January 19, 2018, 04:42:24 PM

Quote from: Grant Lamontagne on January 19, 2018, 02:19:25 PM
It's nice to see Leatherman continuing their longstanding tradition of producing tools that members here have already made.

Which I am certain were a process of "simultaneous development" and were not ideas sourced from here, naturally....

Def

Is this really a fair criticism?

With a few exceptions, the members are making things from existing Leatherman design and parts, while it is cool they mod their own tools, they're not exactly being totally original or anything.

I see this with guitars. Players have been modding their own guitars for decades. Fender might come out with a hybrid of their own designs and then people say they ripped off the modders, but did they? Doesn't a company have the right to do whatever they want with their own models and parts. Unless I'm mistaken, were people putting carbide cutters on these tool before Leatherman had them on another model? That would be somewhat impressive, but swapping plier heads on models that already exist and are similar enough while that is neat, it's not exactly Skunkworks r&d.

There is a long history of companies being inspired by their customer base, that is a good thing not an exploitation in my opinion. Part of any business is figuring out what your customer base wants. If the customer base shows hints that they want something, can you blame the company for making it. When the car culture was putting big engines in a light car, and Ford and others said hey people want this, was Ford wrong somehow for making a car the public wanted.

I for one am with you on this, Greg.

For a while, I did IT for a manufacturing plant so I have a small idea of creating the overall process, and how making just one small change can add a lot to the company's bottom line when the dust settles.

"I wish Leatherman would do this" and "I wish Leatherman would do that." I've had some of those wishes, too and understand why they may not be implemented, but why be brash about the fact that Leatherman is paying attention?

And you are right about modding. Some talented modders here for sure and I admire them. But they are not developing the tools, just nodding.

Look at Tim Leathermans early mock ups of the PST. He didn't grab an Irwin Vice-Grips (R) or a Craftsman needlenose plyers and mod them into the Mr. Crunch prototype, he had to fashion them out of cardboard, then wood, then finally metal himself. And being an engineer is a far cry from being a tin knocker.

We should be glad that leatherman is fashioning tools that we are saying we want. And of course, they should be glad for MTO, because this is the biggest, easiest place to find customer feedback that they have ever had to date.