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Old habits die hard
on: January 16, 2018, 10:41:15 PM
Last month, I bought a Leatherman Rebar to carry along with my SAK Mountaineer.  The 2 have a lot of overlapping tools but the Rebar has pliers, a saw, and a 3D Phillips.  The Mountaineer has scissors, a corkscrew, tweezers, a toothpick, and the file works great as a small Phillips.  I figured they would compliment each other but I find I almost never reach for the Rebar.  I've had it a month and find I'm always using the SAK, even on Phillips head screws (SAK can opener).  I've carried a SAK for so long (over 40 years) that i instinctively reach for it even though the Rebar might be the better choice in certain situations.  Locking tools, 2 locking blades, full Phillips, a can opener that works great for opening boxes, pliers...I should be using the Rebar a lot.

Last weekend, I did a lot of work around the house and forced myself to use the Rebar.  It's a great tool and worked very well.  I still love my Mountaineer, but I'm going to start a new habit of using my Rebar for more than just pliers and a saw.
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Re: Old habits die hard
Reply #1 on: January 16, 2018, 11:12:24 PM
Hi lew

I have both and carry the Rebar daily for some months now. I really like the Mountaineer but at 4 layers, it is at the size limit for me to carry in pocket. I like the tool overlap and differences. SAKs have better bottle openers (plus tweezers and toothpick) but the Rebar is just such a solid tool I barely need the mountaineer. Often I carry a Tinker with the Rebar.

I bet a Mountaineer and a PS4 would also be a good pairing. Even just a Tinker and a PS4 would probably do well.

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Re: Old habits die hard
Reply #2 on: January 16, 2018, 11:20:19 PM
Welcome to MTo lew

So true ......
I love my LMs - But I find I always select/prefer the SAK for most days' carry or jobs

For me I think this is due to:
  • Habit - As you say
  • But mainly the pure convenience of all outside opening tools
  • Also tool selection - I do use the scissors a lot, plus files, TT etc
  • And of course size/weight
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Re: Old habits die hard
Reply #3 on: January 17, 2018, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Huntsman on January 16, 2018, 11:20:19 PM
Welcome to MTo lew

So true ......
I love my LMs - But I find I always select/prefer the SAK for most days' carry or jobs

For me I think this is due to:
  • Habit - As you say
  • But mainly the pure convenience of all outside opening tools
  • Also tool selection - I do use the scissors a lot, plus files, TT etc
  • And of course size/weight

I agree. SAKs over MTs are very often the result of easier to access tools and quicker deployment.
If only the Rebar was built like the Spirit... ::)
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Re: Old habits die hard
Reply #4 on: January 17, 2018, 02:14:22 PM
What you could do, is attempt a Rebar 30 day challenge to start new habits. 
The Rebar is solid, and when broken in, tools deploy well. 
That maybe the best method to test your newest tool. 


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Re: Old habits die hard
Reply #5 on: January 17, 2018, 02:56:25 PM
Quote from: LoopCutter on January 17, 2018, 02:14:22 PM
What you could do, is attempt a Rebar 30 day challenge to start new habits. 
The Rebar is solid, and when broken in, tools deploy well. 
That maybe the best method to test your newest tool. 


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Maybe you're right.  I reach for the SAK without thinking, but when I make myself use the Rebar, it works great.  30 day challenge it is.
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Re: Old habits die hard
Reply #6 on: January 17, 2018, 07:10:56 PM
Quote from: lew on January 17, 2018, 02:56:25 PM
Quote from: LoopCutter on January 17, 2018, 02:14:22 PM
What you could do, is attempt a Rebar 30 day challenge to start new habits. 
The Rebar is solid, and when broken in, tools deploy well. 
That maybe the best method to test your newest tool. 


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Maybe you're right.  I reach for the SAK without thinking, but when I make myself use the Rebar, it works great.  30 day challenge it is.

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Re: Old habits die hard
Reply #7 on: January 17, 2018, 07:21:12 PM
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Re: Old habits die hard
Reply #8 on: January 17, 2018, 07:50:46 PM
Quote from: lew on January 17, 2018, 07:21:12 PM
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Great pic :like:

Is this the start of the challenge? Or are you going to wait for an official start :think: Plus it helps me to number the posts with the days of the challenge :salute:

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Re: Old habits die hard
Reply #9 on: January 17, 2018, 09:16:07 PM
Not sure how a 30 day challenge works.  Does that mean I have to use the Rebar exclusively?  It doesn't have scissors and I NEED scissors!  Do I need to post an update every day?  With pics?  BTW, I started Saturday.
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Re: Old habits die hard
Reply #10 on: January 17, 2018, 10:32:45 PM
Yep - Picture every day   (- which is why I have never done a badge challenge!)

And - You can only use the tool nominated in the challenge ...... Or a regular tool  ......  Looks like you need to have a pair of scissors to hand

And this could be the answer to whether the Rebar is the right tool for you   :o   ..... Maybe a Wingman ???
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Re: Old habits die hard
Reply #11 on: January 18, 2018, 04:47:28 AM
I use scissors on a daily basis so Spirit is what I carry.
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Re: Old habits die hard
Reply #12 on: January 18, 2018, 02:00:36 PM
here you have a 30-Day Rebar challenge than Nix did last month, and one of the best Monthly Challenges we've had in the last years on the LM Subforum. Worth a look,, with very good narrative, uses and pics of a full month of Rebar usage!  :salute:

https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,74761.0.html

He survived without scissors, something he was worried about when beginning the challenge. See how he did and try out on your own is my suggestion  :cheers:
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Re: Old habits die hard
Reply #13 on: January 18, 2018, 02:58:30 PM
OK, I'll start today and go through scissors withdrawal.  Is there such a thing as a "30 day challenge fail" badge?
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Re: Old habits die hard
Reply #14 on: January 20, 2018, 03:59:35 AM
just pop a vic classic on your keychain
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Re: Old habits die hard
Reply #15 on: January 20, 2018, 04:30:00 AM
Doesn't that violate the 30 day challenge?
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Re: Old habits die hard
Reply #16 on: January 20, 2018, 05:19:02 AM
Quote from: lew on January 20, 2018, 04:30:00 AM
Doesn't that violate the 30 day challenge?

challenges are just start a thread and post a photo for 30 consecutive days(hard enough to keep that up) doesn't limit you to just using only that tool

I'm reffering to the merit badge/awards challenges, unless I guess someone challenges u to just use 1 thing
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Re: Old habits die hard
Reply #17 on: January 20, 2018, 07:04:55 AM
I thought the whole point of a 'challenge' - which is rewarded by a merit badge is to:
  • Post a pic every day for a month of you using that tool
  • Use that tool - and only that tool - for the whole month - Otherwise why is it a challenge ???

I'm pretty sure this is how it was when these things first started - Eh ?

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Re: Old habits die hard
Reply #18 on: January 20, 2018, 07:37:06 AM
they dont mention it in the awards section, for me to post a pic for 30 days without missing a day seems hard enough, besides, how can someone prove they are carrying just the one tool?
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Re: Old habits die hard
Reply #19 on: January 20, 2018, 08:30:29 AM
Some are for use of a tool exclusively, others are not.  Hope this helps. :)
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