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LM crunch removing blade with ?
on: January 06, 2018, 09:16:08 PM
Hi got my LM crunch in January and what a excellent multitool
The problem is the locking blade as this is not legal in the uk, so no good for edc
What I want to do is remove the blade and fit scissors instead or something else
Just not sure what could fit ?
Do like the bit that holds the jigsaw blades like on the surge, but than I would have to lose the flathead screwdriver next to the blade as well or more!
Any suggestions would be much apriciated thanks
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Re: LM crunch removing blade with ?
Reply #1 on: January 06, 2018, 11:25:20 PM
If adding in scissors I would suggest trying the ones from the PST II or old style Wave, they would seem to go better with the Crunch as it is an old school LM as well :cheers:
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Re: LM crunch removing blade with ?
Reply #2 on: January 07, 2018, 02:06:54 PM
Hi would they not be to big?
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Re: LM crunch removing blade with ?
Reply #3 on: January 07, 2018, 03:18:41 PM
Quote from: Poncho65 on January 06, 2018, 11:25:20 PM
If adding in scissors I would suggest trying the ones from the PST II or old style Wave, they would seem to go better with the Crunch as it is an old school LM as well :cheers:

Ponch, how wide are PST II scissors? Not just the tang (and what I think must be a spacer?), but from pics of PST II scissors I am guessing that the width of the scissor blades plus lever might interfere with the Crunch's flat driver blade (the left one if looking down into the handle) and/or maybe the Phillips head. Or is the tab located far enough towards the pliers to just clear any driver blades?
Also, not much space between the handle wall and the pliers head cutout on the Crunch - the PST II scissors lever tab, while on the correct side compared to e.g. the one on the new Wave, might interfere with the pliers head, although maybe trimming the tab down is an option...

Anybody have a pic looking down into the PST II's scissors holding handle? I regret to say I don't own one myself...

Edit: found a pic here showing the OG Wave scissors (=PST II scissors) - looks to me to be slightly too wide to fit a Crunch (or its main blade width, at least)...
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Re: LM crunch removing blade with ?
Reply #4 on: January 07, 2018, 03:33:58 PM
PST II scissors won’t work, apart from the width the tab on the scissors handle would cover the plier head cut out.

You could add an awl.
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Re: LM crunch removing blade with ?
Reply #5 on: January 07, 2018, 03:39:23 PM
Hi thanks for your reply
That what I thought as there is only 1.5mm of space with just the blade removed
This is why I was thinking of the Swiss army scissors
Can't take the credit for this idea, as I saw this on this forum by biker_bob :whistle:
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Re: LM crunch removing blade with ?
Reply #6 on: January 07, 2018, 03:44:38 PM
Thanks for the photo didn't think of that
It really shows clearly how little space there is inside the LM crunch  :like:
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Re: LM crunch removing blade with ?
Reply #7 on: January 07, 2018, 05:15:16 PM
A possible alternative might be to remove the blade, move the file to where the blade was, remove the lanyard loop, and insert in the original spot for the file and lanyard loop a pair of new generation Wave scissors - these are two instead of three pieces. From an eyeball measurement I think that might just fit, IF you take almost the entire thumb tab off. You'd have to round the corresponding area off to serve as thumb tab and I am not sure this will be satisfactory. OTOH this should be a straight drop in pivot-wise.
As you noticed, the Crunch is a marvel of engineering and does not have a lot of unused space...
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Re: LM crunch removing blade with ?
Reply #8 on: January 07, 2018, 05:35:25 PM
Hi yes I like that idea
just checked them out on Google a lot smaller then the old LM waves scissors
Need to look in to that one a bit more
And are these easy to get hold of ? :tu:
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Re: LM crunch removing blade with ?
Reply #9 on: January 07, 2018, 06:03:33 PM
I just saw the wave scissors on Loki-mobile spares post
Looks like the bottom scissor arm is in the way of the crunch locking pin
Might be able to weld a modded lower arm to it
But I do like the idea of using LM scissors will do more research on this one  :like:
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Re: LM crunch removing blade with ?
Reply #10 on: January 07, 2018, 06:31:16 PM
I know in the past people sometimes put SOG components in a PST or an origional ST. Would the Crunch's pivot size be the same, being of that age? Scissors, saw and v-cutter could all be options.

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Reply #11 on: January 07, 2018, 07:18:52 PM
Thanks for your reply and web side to look at  :like:
Like the v cutter but looks to big?
I didn't see a saw/ file holder like the surge has got, I do like that option
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Re: LM crunch removing blade with ?
Reply #12 on: January 07, 2018, 09:46:50 PM
I had never looked to see if the PSTII scissors would work :whistle: I was just hoping that they would as they would fit the overall look of the Crunch better but looking at the pic you can definitely tell it wouldn't work :ahhh
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Re: LM crunch removing blade with ?
Reply #13 on: January 07, 2018, 10:05:26 PM
Quote from: italophil on January 07, 2018, 03:33:58 PM
PST II scissors won’t work, apart from the width the tab on the scissors handle would cover the plier head cut out.

You could add an awl.

I've never had a Crunch - that's quite a sexy phillips it's got.
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Re: LM crunch removing blade with ?
Reply #14 on: January 07, 2018, 11:53:20 PM
Quote from: Fuzzbucket on January 07, 2018, 10:05:26 PM
Quote from: italophil on January 07, 2018, 03:33:58 PM
PST II scissors won’t work, apart from the width the tab on the scissors handle would cover the plier head cut out.

You could add an awl.

I've never had a Crunch - that's quite a sexy phillips it's got.
It's got quite an unusual figure doesn't it? :drool:
Hooked, like everyone else. ;)

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Re: LM crunch removing blade with ?
Reply #15 on: January 08, 2018, 12:36:51 AM
Quote from: Pablo O'Brien on January 07, 2018, 11:53:20 PM
Quote from: Fuzzbucket on January 07, 2018, 10:05:26 PM
Quote from: italophil on January 07, 2018, 03:33:58 PM
PST II scissors won’t work, apart from the width the tab on the scissors handle would cover the plier head cut out.

You could add an awl.

I've never had a Crunch - that's quite a sexy phillips it's got.
It's got quite an unusual figure doesn't it? :drool:

Yep, just the way I like em...
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Re: LM crunch removing blade with ?
Reply #16 on: January 08, 2018, 07:27:16 AM
Quote from: Wspeed on January 07, 2018, 07:18:52 PM
Thanks for your reply and web side to look at  :like:
Like the v cutter but looks to big?
I didn't see a saw/ file holder like the surge has got, I do like that option

The saw/file blade holder of the Surge is nice but at 3.1 (old version) or 3.7 mm (new version) in thickness likely too thick, also you'd have to heavily modify the profile, probably to the extent of impairing the blade lock functions...
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Re: LM crunch removing blade with ?
Reply #17 on: January 08, 2018, 01:16:45 PM
Good point Dutch_Tooler
Thanks for the measurement that's just what I needed  :like:
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Re: LM crunch removing blade with ?
Reply #18 on: February 11, 2018, 07:59:06 PM

Quote from: Dutch_Tooler on January 07, 2018, 05:15:16 PM
A possible alternative might be to remove the blade, move the file to where the blade was, remove the lanyard loop, and insert in the original spot for the file and lanyard loop a pair of new generation Wave scissors - these are two instead of three pieces. From an eyeball measurement I think that might just fit, IF you take almost the entire thumb tab off. You'd have to round the corresponding area off to serve as thumb tab and I am not sure this will be satisfactory. OTOH this should be a straight drop in pivot-wise.
As you noticed, the Crunch is a marvel of engineering and does not have a lot of unused space...
Just a update  :salute:
In the end I decided to go with Dutch_Tooler idea :tu:
As you can read from the quote above.
I bought some LM wave scissors from loki-mobile
Once the scissors turned up, I started a how to with photos
I have now posted the how to on the mod squad section
Here is a photo of the finished item
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Re: LM crunch removing blade with ?
Reply #19 on: February 11, 2018, 08:04:38 PM
Quote from: Wspeed on February 11, 2018, 07:59:06 PM

Quote from: Dutch_Tooler on January 07, 2018, 05:15:16 PM
A possible alternative might be to remove the blade, move the file to where the blade was, remove the lanyard loop, and insert in the original spot for the file and lanyard loop a pair of new generation Wave scissors - these are two instead of three pieces. From an eyeball measurement I think that might just fit, IF you take almost the entire thumb tab off. You'd have to round the corresponding area off to serve as thumb tab and I am not sure this will be satisfactory. OTOH this should be a straight drop in pivot-wise.
As you noticed, the Crunch is a marvel of engineering and does not have a lot of unused space...
Just a update  :salute:
In the end I decided to go with Dutch_Tooler idea :tu:
As you can read from the quote above.
I bought some LM wave scissors from loki-mobile
Once the scissors turned up, I started a how to with photos
I have now posted the how to on the mod squad section
Here is a photo of the finished item

Way to go :tu:, glad to be of help :cheers:
Cheers!
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Re: LM crunch removing blade with ?
Reply #20 on: February 11, 2018, 08:17:49 PM
Hi thanks Dutch_Tooler  :cheers:
It made sense to stay with LM parts :like:
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