I'm certainly no expert but believe these are both from the 1970's and are now discontinued
all blades/tools are in very nice shape
the 84mm red Gourmet is an Economy stamped version only made for two years
the 84mm black Waiter is a Officer version
Any Questions or more pics needed please just ask
I'd like sell these in one lot if possible for GBP £50.00 + actual cost of tracked shipping from the UK to your location
Payment by regular goods paypal only
thanks for looking