So I bid on this knife thinking I was getting a broken Swiss champ. I could tell from the pic that the scissors were broken, toothpick and tweezers were missing, and the magnifying glass had its lens missing. I was fine with that because I wanted to use it for my first mod attempt, and I had no plans for those specific tools. When I received it I noticed instantly it was a bootleg sak, with Victorinox scales pressed/glued on.
I have some spare parts you are welcome to. Tomorrow I'll post them up here and you decided what you want and I'll send them out.
I see now the magnifying glass is a dead giveaway, but what did I miss about the pliers. I can't tell from the picture how it is a fake.
While i think it’s entirely possible that the seller knew what he was doing, I don’t think it’s wise to immediately jump to that conclusion. There are people that don’t know one red knife from another.
Quote from: LJUSMC on February 21, 2018, 09:36:31 AMWhile i think it’s entirely possible that the seller knew what he was doing, I don’t think it’s wise to immediately jump to that conclusion. There are people that don’t know one red knife from another.I don't think it matters. He still sold an item with a Victorinox shield & cross although it was a piece of crap (no, I don't think those are original Victorinox scales).
Quote from: Reinier on February 21, 2018, 09:43:00 AMQuote from: LJUSMC on February 21, 2018, 09:36:31 AMWhile i think it’s entirely possible that the seller knew what he was doing, I don’t think it’s wise to immediately jump to that conclusion. There are people that don’t know one red knife from another.I don't think it matters. He still sold an item with a Victorinox shield & cross although it was a piece of crap (no, I don't think those are original Victorinox scales).Except it does matter. Several of you are ready to form a lynch mob for some guy who may be a victim himself.
Quote from: LJUSMC on February 21, 2018, 10:10:04 AMQuote from: Reinier on February 21, 2018, 09:43:00 AMQuote from: LJUSMC on February 21, 2018, 09:36:31 AMWhile i think it’s entirely possible that the seller knew what he was doing, I don’t think it’s wise to immediately jump to that conclusion. There are people that don’t know one red knife from another.I don't think it matters. He still sold an item with a Victorinox shield & cross although it was a piece of crap (no, I don't think those are original Victorinox scales).Except it does matter. Several of you are ready to form a lynch mob for some guy who may be a victim himself. Lynch mob? I never said anything like that. If he is a victim himself, he should try to get his money back from whomever he bought in in the first place.Selling counterfeit items is not allowed, regardless of the seller knowing about it or not.
Obviously Victorinox alox with no third party logo is the most cherished so some sellers go to great lengths to let you think that's what you're getting. They deceive without actually telling an explicit lie.
Quote from: Thunderpants on February 21, 2018, 10:47:54 AMObviously Victorinox alox with no third party logo is the most cherished so some sellers go to great lengths to let you think that's what you're getting. They deceive without actually telling an explicit lie.See, that’s what I’m talking about. I had no idea that unmarked Alox knives were more desirable than marked ones. I’d be the guy who happened to take a picture not showing the mark and then get blasted as if I knew what i was doing.Yes, there are people out there who are shady, but there are also people that just don’t know what they have.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
The pliers are a dead giveaway for me but I could see how it will fool people. Seems the seller knows what they are doing.
Yeah, I can see instantly that it's a fake. It's all kinda wrong, but the tang stamp is a dead giveaway. The price should also make you suspicious. Personally, I wouldn't be too pissed at the seller. They never said "Victorinox" and they showed lots of pictures. "Swiss Army Knife" is sorta a trademark, but 99% of the world who are not on this forum call any red knife with lots of tools a "Swiss Army Knife". It's a concept that's been genericized like "Kleenex". BTW - the actual trademarks are "Original Swiss Army Knife" for Victorinox and "Genuine Swiss Army Knife" for Wenger. Ask nicely if you can return it. Most likely the seller will say yes. It's easier to take a return than to deal with negative feedback. Don't need to go into accusations of fraud or anything like that - most likely this is just some random seller that got a red knife in a box of crap from an estate sale, dumped it on eBay for $15 with a simple description that matches what most non-knife people would call it.
While i think it’s entirely possible that the seller knew what he was doing, I don’t think it’s wise to immediately jump to that conclusion. There are people that don’t know one red knife from another.If I gave a red handled knife with a lot of blades and screwdrivers to my father and he put it on eBay, I guarantee he would call it a “Swiss Army knife,” with absolutely no idea of its legitimacy, and i highly doubt the thought has ever crossed his mind that one would ever be counterfeit.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Seems like a fraud attempt to me... but one should be cordial (if unapologetic) towards the seller regardless.-T