Show us your folders.

[N_N_R]

I wasn't careful, so there was a small amount of bleeding in the shop 

 

[SAK Guy]

Papa bear porridge 
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A little hot like we like it...
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Yeah......I like that, maybe too much! 

[Gerhard Gerber]

Yeah......I like that, maybe too much! 

Don't mean to help you over to the.........Dark Side, but I figure it's as good as they say 

A well-liked a respected local doc got stabbed to about an inch of his life a week ago......for his iphone......while out riding his bicycle.

I'll buy time with pepper spray, but I'm pretty sure the drunk p-o-s that accosted me earlier this week will reconsider when he sees this thing deployed......when he can see again 

[SAK Guy]

Yeah......I like that, maybe too much! 

Don't mean to help you over to the.........Dark Side, but I figure it's as good as they say 

A well-liked a respected local doc got stabbed to about an inch of his life a week ago......for his iphone......while out riding his bicycle.

I'll buy time with pepper spray, but I'm pretty sure the drunk p-o-s that accosted me earlier this week will reconsider when he sees this thing deployed......when he can see again 

Think nothing of it. I need a big folder like I need to gain a little weight. 

[Gerhard Gerber]

 
Cold Steel Voyager Extra Large.

I think they put thumb studs on for legal reasons.....just put a shock cord lanyard on the thing for safety's sake, it only takes a slight flick of the wrist to get the blade out!  Pocket clip....history, thumb studs....history. 
This fact slightly changes the sheath/deployment idea I had, but KISS is always better 

[David]

Cold Steel Voyager Extra Large.

I think they put thumb studs on for legal reasons.....just put a shock cord lanyard on the thing for safety's sake, it only takes a slight flick of the wrist to get the blade out!  Pocket clip....history, thumb studs....history. 
This fact slightly changes the sheath/deployment idea I had, but KISS is always better 

Looks like a real handful.     

[HarleyXJGuy]

Cold Steel Voyager Extra Large.

I think they put thumb studs on for legal reasons.....just put a shock cord lanyard on the thing for safety's sake, it only takes a slight flick of the wrist to get the blade out!  Pocket clip....history, thumb studs....history. 
This fact slightly changes the sheath/deployment idea I had, but KISS is always better 

Looks like a real handful.     

That's what she said.

[dks]

Today



Similar to the Chinese Bucks, but it has liners


Comparison



The buck has a polished lockbar


I suspect SRM makes the Chinese Bucks

[dks]

Ganzo







Comparison



The quality and finish is very good.
Feels good in the hand

[SteveC]

That Ganzo is interesting.... Spydie Blade / Rat one handle with an axis lock .

[dks]

Why borrow ideas from 1 company, when you can borrow from 3 

But, the end result is good looking and works.

[Aloha]

Why borrow ideas from 1 company, when you can borrow from 3 

But, the end result is good looking and works.

Seriously if you are gonna "borrow" why not from all three 

Any idea of the steel used? 400 series? CRMOV

[toolguy]

This is a Master Of Defense "MOD".I own several of these NIB and thees are the older models made while Jim Ray was the owner.They were designed by men who were involved in the martial arts and then produced by MOD.

[captain spaulding]

That Ganzo is interesting.... Spydie Blade / Rat one handle with an axis lock .

Nah the scale shape is PM2 as well. The Rat is different.

[SteveC]

Looks pretty close to the Rat 1 to me but perhaps they copied the PM2. What came out first the Rat I or the PM2 ?

[captain spaulding]

Looks pretty close to the Rat 1 to me but perhaps they copied the PM2. What came out first the Rat I or the PM2 ?

Don't know which one came out first.

If you look at the Rat it is much more round on the corners. Especially where the tang is. No finger choil like the PM2. Lanyard hole and sharper edges on the back match the PM2 as well. Same screw placement as the PM2.

I'm not trying to be "that guy", but just things I noticed.

[shark_za]

A Spyderco PM2 in Axis lock format.   

Could actually be a great knife but I would not touch it out of loyalty

[HarleyXJGuy]

A Spyderco PM2 in Axis lock format.   

Could actually be a great knife but I would not touch it out of loyalty

Well Spyderco already has a couple of locks almost tte same as the Axis. The Manix 2 BBL and the Sage Bolt Action lock. They could always change up the PM 2 with a different lock.

Just dont see this happening. I prefer the Bolt Action lock but most folks I think are bigger fans of the Compression lock.

[dks]

As with all ganzo knives the steel is supposed to be equivalent to 440C.
Really, I just got it for the colour and the price.
The springs on the lock are beefier than in the SRM 762, which I have been using for several years.

I have been eyeing up a spydeco manix but the total cost to me will be about 10 times as much as the Ganzo and I just will never use anything with such a large blade, as if I need something this big I just carry/use a fixed blade (e.g. Mora).

I have several Ganzo knives (bought years ago) and various other brands (CS, Buck, RR, Vic, Wenger, etc.) with similar size blades and never use them for anything.  The SRM 762 is big enough and light.

I will try and use the new ganzo, so that i can give people some feedback.

[shark_za]

I draw the line at copies; will live with inspired by, tribute to, etc something that matches the outline so closely is wrong in my personal ethics scale. Others don't have to feel the same way.


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[dks]

My personal ethics scale, on wrong, has to do with murdering lots of innocent people, so as to take their land or their oil/resources, using them as slaves, forcing nations to accept what the stronger nation wants, instigating wars for personal or national gain, supplying arms to factions and then pretending you do no know how they got there, manipulating world organisations so as to support you by using your power rather than what is right, stealing from nations and bragging about it, coming to different decisions on similar matters, depending on whom you are judging, expecting all nations and people to agree with your point or view and your actions and being shocked when they do not, forcing you to make them agree, turning a blind eye to environmental destruction or claiming that there is one when there isn't, assuming that your nation's law and ethics are universal, world domination and so on....

Others do not have to feel the same 

It does look like 3 other knives but it does not claim to be any of them, so as to fool me.

Lets not forget that Buck 110, Schrade LB7, Case xx 00177 coexist, as they are made by major companies of the same country.

[Aloha]

Cant wait till you get some time with it DKS.  I have an inexpensive chinese knife that has really proven itself. 

[Gerhard Gerber]

My personal ethics scale, on wrong, has to do with murdering lots of innocent people, so as to take their land or their oil/resources, using them as slaves, forcing nations to accept what the stronger nation wants, instigating wars for personal or national gain, supplying arms to factions and then pretending you do no know how they got there, manipulating world organisations so as to support you by using your power rather than what is right, stealing from nations and bragging about it, coming to different decisions on similar matters, depending on whom you are judging, expecting all nations and people to agree with your point or view and your actions and being shocked when they do not, forcing you to make them agree, turning a blind eye to environmental destruction or claiming that there is one when there isn't, assuming that your nation's law and ethics are universal, world domination and so on....

Others do not have to feel the same 

It does look like 3 other knives but it does not claim to be any of them, so as to fool me.

Lets not forget that Buck 110, Schrade LB7, Case xx 00177 coexist, as they are made by major companies of the same country.

I agree with you, and......

I can afford the Ganzo, I could (most likely) never justify the price of a PM2 after the exchange rate gets done with me.

I do feel it's unfair towards the Spyderco/Benchmade & Co, they make great products and deserve the profits they make, it's not their fault the international playing field is uneven.

In that sense I'm just thankful to have the Ganzos (more Enlan in my case) of this world.

[Corwyn]

It does look like 3 other knives but it does not claim to be any of them, so as to fool me.

Lets not forget that Buck 110, Schrade LB7, Case xx 00177 coexist, as they are made by major companies of the same country.

+1 on that.
I abhor Spyderco knock-offs, but this doesn't claim to be a Spyderco... if you know anything about Spyderco you can see quite easily it cannot be confused with a Spyderco.
That said, I'm not a Ganzo fan (do prefer Sanrenmus and Tekut) and I'd buy a real Spydie instead (a Tenacious or a Byrd should cost close to a Ganzo) but it really doesn't bother me one bit.

PS: dks the Buck 110 comparison is uncanny...

[firiki]

Lets not forget that Buck 110, Schrade LB7, Case xx 00177 coexist, as they are made by major companies of the same country.

PS: dks the Buck 110 comparison is uncanny...

Uncanny as in mystifyingly spot-on? I should think it's a fair comparison

[Gerhard Gerber]

That said, I'm not a Ganzo fan (do prefer Sanrenmus and Tekut) and I'd buy a real Spydie instead (a Tenacious or a Byrd should cost close to a Ganzo) but it really doesn't bother me one bit.

Double the price.......for me at least.

[SteveC]

Looks pretty close to the Rat 1 to me but perhaps they copied the PM2. What came out first the Rat I or the PM2 ?

Don't know which one came out first.

If you look at the Rat it is much more round on the corners. Especially where the tang is. No finger choil like the PM2. Lanyard hole and sharper edges on the back match the PM2 as well. Same screw placement as the PM2.

I'm not trying to be "that guy", but just things I noticed.



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I see it now Capt, definitely closer to the PM2 in shape 

[shark_za]

Enlan; great knives taking design queues without blatant imitation.

This is a little bit Manix, a little bit Ritter Grip.

ps, GG, a locol online store is selling RAT 1 & 2 these days,

[toolguy]

Masters of Defense "Trident" designed by Chief Jim Watson,veteran Navy Seal,who had 16 combat decorations,including 4 bronze stars with the Combat V for valor. Most people know him as Dick Marcinko's point man Patches in the Rogue Warrior series. Watson, a Team 2 plank owner, has authored two books on his days as a SEAL, Point Man and Walking Point, both published by William Morrow.When Jim ray wanted a hard-use knife that would meet the needs of these spec op's warriors,Jim Watson was a natural choice. Most of the so called SEAL knives out there today never had the input of a SEAL in their construction and wouldn't hold up if a special forces operator actually had to use one. Jim Watson designed this knife as a user who has actually been there and done it.

Specifications:
HANDLES: Milled, 6061-T6 Aluminum
BLADE: 154cm high carbon stainless steel alloy, 60 Rockwell hardness! Cryogenically hardened for complete molecular conversion and absolute dimensional stability. Ambidextrous milled thumb studs.
HANDLE FINISH: Military Spec Hardcoat, Black Anodized
POCKET/BELT CLIP: Through hardened 301 Stainless steel, matte finish. Point up carrying.
OVERALL LENGTH: 7.8", 4.4" when closed.
BLADE LENGTH: 3.4"
BLADE THICKNESS: 148 thousandths.
LOCKING LINER: 17-4 Stainless steel, 76 thousandths, sustains over 100 lbs of reverse force.
EDGING TREATMENT: Precision hollow ground modified spear point. Thumb ridge on top.
HOLSTER: CorduraTM Nylon, can be worn horizontally or vertically on belt. Velcro � closure.
BLADE FINISH OPTIONS: Matte double bead blast, or new ultra hard Stealth matte black Boron Carbide.
SERRATION: Optional, half-serrated or non-serrated, all finishes.
AUTOMATICS: Auto-opening version available for military, fire/EMS and law enforcement.

[Gerhard Gerber]

Enlan; great knives taking design queues without blatant imitation.

This is a little bit Manix, a little bit Ritter Grip.

ps, GG, a locol online store is selling RAT 1 & 2 these days,

.....and that one is the best of the lot IMO 

I've got a CS Eland and Finn Wolf on order, then that's it for the near future, buying tools from now on

I suspect it would be wise to complete my Tenacious-family from existing stock before the prices go nuts