Interesting. I always thought that if something had an NSN it could be purchased by gov't agencies. But I note that this particular item seems to always default to "Soldier Systems". Odd. I haven't had any luck finding a database listing '1095-01-670-1865' as a viable NSN item.
Thanks for the additional info, John. Really helpful. I posted the NSN in our local SAK FB group before I read your comments, and now deleted it. So its basically a scam by this certain Jerald.
...In reference to the above post stating Mogas is dyed red and impossible to get out, sounds a little bit like Red diesel used in this country which is tax exempt. It's supposedly only used in off road machinery or farm tractors, but I once heard a certain fertiliser (forget the name) would remove the red if the diesel was filtered through it!
So no more gerber eh.. At least the swisstools are solid bit of kit.Regarding the BO. All my Vic BOs swisstools look splotchy. BO treatment on stainless steel is harder to get perfect. I have a local place that does a good job on stainless but Vic's isnt as perfect. What strikes me as odd is the non black rivets (at least they look it in your pic). I wonder if they assembled in a different way and that is why some tools have play? My BO'd swisstools have black rivets. It looks like they put something around that area too making that ring effect to protect the handles. BO'd tools can also be grittier than stock polished ones so they could have left the rivets not as tight on purpose.... hard to say.
Thanks, John. A real eye opener and interesting insight into the world of US military procurement.I take back my initial impression that Jerry's scheme is a scam. He's just trying to make a fast buck, then.
Quote from: an0nemus on April 09, 2018, 12:41:31 AMThanks, John. A real eye opener and interesting insight into the world of US military procurement.I take back my initial impression that Jerry's scheme is a scam. He's just trying to make a fast buck, then.Yup . . . and going about it the wrong way too. It will have the same success as his Soldier Knife did: zero.John
Quote from: jalind on April 09, 2018, 01:49:31 AMQuote from: an0nemus on April 09, 2018, 12:41:31 AMThanks, John. A real eye opener and interesting insight into the world of US military procurement.I take back my initial impression that Jerry's scheme is a scam. He's just trying to make a fast buck, then.Yup . . . and going about it the wrong way too. It will have the same success as his Soldier Knife did: zero.JohnI actually feel foolish right now as friends and I have been waiting for our Soldier Knives to arrive from a contact in the US for months. Yikes.
The WebFLIS service from the Federal Logistics Information Service (FLIS) of the Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) is an online search system for several public segments of the USA Federal Logistics Database for codified supplies that are represented by a permanent National Stock Number (NSN).
So getting back to the swisstool in question, Why does the black oxide comes with so much stains on it?
Similar searches using the SwissTool's alleged NSN:https://www.iso-group.com....aspx?ss=1095-01-670-1865https://www.nsncenter.com...Search?q=1095-01-670-1865Doesn't exist in either database.Edit: the latter "nsncenter" are results using the Web FLIS (Federal Logistics Information Service) which accesses DLA and FLIS: https://www.webflis.info/Home/WebFLISQuoteThe WebFLIS service from the Federal Logistics Information Service (FLIS) of the Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) is an online search system for several public segments of the USA Federal Logistics Database for codified supplies that are represented by a permanent National Stock Number (NSN).FEDLOG comes up with same "nsncenter" results:https://www.fedlog.info/Just gotta know where to search for stuff like this. No big state secrets here, but few know about these sites that are readily accessible.John
https://www.iso-group.com/NSN/5110-25-147-5018Norway? (Image removed from quote.)
Quote from: tango44 on April 09, 2018, 08:37:56 PMhttps://www.iso-group.com/NSN/5110-25-147-5018Norway? (Image removed from quote.)NSNs are used throughout NATO and they have a country code. NSN = NATO Stock Number. The system was created to unify supply with a common stock number system. The first four digits (which can be broken down in two parts) are supposed to be the commodity encompassing similar or like items. That's become difficult over the years to keep completely organized (note the 1095 on the mythical one versus 5110 on this one). The fifth and sixth digits are the Country Code. "00-10" is the USA although only "00" and "01" have been used thus far. NATO Standard Items (not from any specific country) are "11" and that's rather rare. Canada is "20" and "21", and I had to look up "25". It is, indeed, Norway. The other most immediate clue that it's not USA without even getting to the NSN Country Code is the "broad arrow" in front of the NSN. The USA does not use that marking. Period (or Stop,or End Stop, take your pick). The UK and some others do, particularly in Europe and the Commonwealth of Nations (formerly called the British Commonwealth). Additional countries such as Japan and Australia, which are not part of NATO, also use the system.It appears you have a genuine Norwegian SwissTool, unless someone forged its markings.Edit: IIRC, Australia has procured some SwissTools for their military; NSN marking if it has one, will have a "66" Country Code. The UK is "99".Edit 2: You won't find it in FEDLOG or FLIS with anything more than a noun nomenclature because it's specific to Norway.John
Quote from: jalind on April 09, 2018, 09:00:08 PMQuote from: tango44 on April 09, 2018, 08:37:56 PMhttps://www.iso-group.com/NSN/5110-25-147-5018Norway? (Image removed from quote.)NSNs are used throughout NATO and they have a country code. NSN = NATO Stock Number. The system was created to unify supply with a common stock number system. The first four digits (which can be broken down in two parts) are supposed to be the commodity encompassing similar or like items. That's become difficult over the years to keep completely organized (note the 1095 on the mythical one versus 5110 on this one). The fifth and sixth digits are the Country Code. "00-10" is the USA although only "00" and "01" have been used thus far. NATO Standard Items (not from any specific country) are "11" and that's rather rare. Canada is "20" and "21", and I had to look up "25". It is, indeed, Norway. The other most immediate clue that it's not USA without even getting to the NSN Country Code is the "broad arrow" in front of the NSN. The USA does not use that marking. Period (or Stop,or End Stop, take your pick). The UK and some others do, particularly in Europe and the Commonwealth of Nations (formerly called the British Commonwealth). Additional countries such as Japan and Australia, which are not part of NATO, also use the system.It appears you have a genuine Norwegian SwissTool, unless someone forged its markings.Edit: IIRC, Australia has procured some SwissTools for their military; NSN marking if it has one, will have a "66" Country Code. The UK is "99".Edit 2: You won't find it in FEDLOG or FLIS with anything more than a noun nomenclature because it's specific to Norway.JohnIt looks like an Aussie one to me - it's got a broad arrow on it.
Quote from: Fuzzbucket on April 09, 2018, 09:20:47 PMQuote from: jalind on April 09, 2018, 09:00:08 PMQuote from: tango44 on April 09, 2018, 08:37:56 PMhttps://www.iso-group.com/NSN/5110-25-147-5018Norway? (Image removed from quote.)NSNs are used throughout NATO and they have a country code. NSN = NATO Stock Number. The system was created to unify supply with a common stock number system. The first four digits (which can be broken down in two parts) are supposed to be the commodity encompassing similar or like items. That's become difficult over the years to keep completely organized (note the 1095 on the mythical one versus 5110 on this one). The fifth and sixth digits are the Country Code. "00-10" is the USA although only "00" and "01" have been used thus far. NATO Standard Items (not from any specific country) are "11" and that's rather rare. Canada is "20" and "21", and I had to look up "25". It is, indeed, Norway. The other most immediate clue that it's not USA without even getting to the NSN Country Code is the "broad arrow" in front of the NSN. The USA does not use that marking. Period (or Stop,or End Stop, take your pick). The UK and some others do, particularly in Europe and the Commonwealth of Nations (formerly called the British Commonwealth). Additional countries such as Japan and Australia, which are not part of NATO, also use the system.It appears you have a genuine Norwegian SwissTool, unless someone forged its markings.Edit: IIRC, Australia has procured some SwissTools for their military; NSN marking if it has one, will have a "66" Country Code. The UK is "99".Edit 2: You won't find it in FEDLOG or FLIS with anything more than a noun nomenclature because it's specific to Norway.JohnIt looks like an Aussie one to me - it's got a broad arrow on it.Nope, it's definitely Norwegian in origin. If it were Aussie in origin it would have a "66" Country Code. Here's a publicly available explanation of NSNs including a list of the 5th and 6th digit country codes:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Stock_NumberThat's not to say Australia didn't get some via their Norse friends, either from them or through them. I am extremely curious how the Australian military, if this one has a true provenance from Australia's military, ends up with Norwegian NSN multi-tools. That would, indeed, be a convoluted procurement. A Norwegian surplus sale?John
That's a great Swisstool Tango - once you start using it and it gets a bit beat-up, it's going to look beautiful! Black oxide tools are tools that need to be used... in my opinion anyway...
Quote from: jalind on April 09, 2018, 09:38:21 PMQuote from: Fuzzbucket on April 09, 2018, 09:20:47 PMQuote from: jalind on April 09, 2018, 09:00:08 PMQuote from: tango44 on April 09, 2018, 08:37:56 PMhttps://www.iso-group.com/NSN/5110-25-147-5018Norway? (Image removed from quote.)NSNs are used throughout NATO and they have a country code. NSN = NATO Stock Number. The system was created to unify supply with a common stock number system. The first four digits (which can be broken down in two parts) are supposed to be the commodity encompassing similar or like items. That's become difficult over the years to keep completely organized (note the 1095 on the mythical one versus 5110 on this one). The fifth and sixth digits are the Country Code. "00-10" is the USA although only "00" and "01" have been used thus far. NATO Standard Items (not from any specific country) are "11" and that's rather rare. Canada is "20" and "21", and I had to look up "25". It is, indeed, Norway. The other most immediate clue that it's not USA without even getting to the NSN Country Code is the "broad arrow" in front of the NSN. The USA does not use that marking. Period (or Stop,or End Stop, take your pick). The UK and some others do, particularly in Europe and the Commonwealth of Nations (formerly called the British Commonwealth). Additional countries such as Japan and Australia, which are not part of NATO, also use the system.It appears you have a genuine Norwegian SwissTool, unless someone forged its markings.Edit: IIRC, Australia has procured some SwissTools for their military; NSN marking if it has one, will have a "66" Country Code. The UK is "99".Edit 2: You won't find it in FEDLOG or FLIS with anything more than a noun nomenclature because it's specific to Norway.JohnIt looks like an Aussie one to me - it's got a broad arrow on it.Nope, it's definitely Norwegian in origin. If it were Aussie in origin it would have a "66" Country Code. Here's a publicly available explanation of NSNs including a list of the 5th and 6th digit country codes:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Stock_NumberThat's not to say Australia didn't get some via their Norse friends, either from them or through them. I am extremely curious how the Australian military, if this one has a true provenance from Australia's military, ends up with Norwegian NSN multi-tools. That would, indeed, be a convoluted procurement. A Norwegian surplus sale?JohnNo, you're quite right Jalind, I didn't read your post properly. I didn't realise that Norway used the broad arra too... I thought that was just Commonwealth.