RIP - Big Bang Theory should make a special on him
I see him more as a marketing power behind science, more so than anything else. Maybe I'm just too dumb to really understand his field
Quote from: shark_za on March 14, 2018, 04:22:44 PMI see him more as a marketing power behind science, more so than anything else. Maybe I'm just too dumb to really understand his field Don't be upset. We awl are...
The truth is no one is really important in the great scheme of things. Any great work could have been done by some else.
Quote from: lister on March 14, 2018, 04:48:07 PMThe truth is no one is really important in the great scheme of things. Any great work could have been done by some else.This is 100% not true.There are a very small number of individuals with all of the attributes required to make a specific discovery, invention, or piece of art, and NO ONE ELSE ON EARTH would have done it. Maybe EVENTUALLY someone else would come along, but each of these pieces of creation they make adds another stepping stone to the sum of human understanding, and UNTIL that person discovers or creates, we, humanity, make no forward progress in that area. ONE SPECIFIC HUMAN often changes the course of human history. ONCE discovered, it can be understood by much less capable people, but that initial discovery is hard to the point of impossible, with only a few VERY rare individuals able to make that leap.A friend of mine happens to be a math professor, whose specialty is the calculation of theoretical models of the boundaries on spacetime. She is extremely smart, obviously. She's a bona fide genius. But she knows that she is nowhere near the caliber of mind of Hawking or Einstein.It may be true that Hawking got a lot of press, compared to lots of other significant scientists, but it's not because he didn't deserve it. It's that there are so few OTHER deserving scientists that DO get the recognition deserved.And comparing recognition of real-world work to love of super heroes is frankly idiotic. Go be cynical and nihilistic somewhere else.
Quote from: Lynn LeFey on March 14, 2018, 05:43:57 PMQuote from: lister on March 14, 2018, 04:48:07 PMThe truth is no one is really important in the great scheme of things. Any great work could have been done by some else.This is 100% not true.There are a very small number of individuals with all of the attributes required to make a specific discovery, invention, or piece of art, and NO ONE ELSE ON EARTH would have done it. Maybe EVENTUALLY someone else would come along, but each of these pieces of creation they make adds another stepping stone to the sum of human understanding, and UNTIL that person discovers or creates, we, humanity, make no forward progress in that area. ONE SPECIFIC HUMAN often changes the course of human history. ONCE discovered, it can be understood by much less capable people, but that initial discovery is hard to the point of impossible, with only a few VERY rare individuals able to make that leap.A friend of mine happens to be a math professor, whose specialty is the calculation of theoretical models of the boundaries on spacetime. She is extremely smart, obviously. She's a bona fide genius. But she knows that she is nowhere near the caliber of mind of Hawking or Einstein.It may be true that Hawking got a lot of press, compared to lots of other significant scientists, but it's not because he didn't deserve it. It's that there are so few OTHER deserving scientists that DO get the recognition deserved.And comparing recognition of real-world work to love of super heroes is frankly idiotic. Go be cynical and nihilistic somewhere else.As an aside, I notice from history a repeating story: progress in a field, any field (doesn’t have to be a scientific field, for example, SpaceX and rockets) often slows down because the people working in it think that they’ve figured out, discovered invented or finished everything that they think is possible for humans to do, or are just not motivated anymore, and then someone new comes along and reinvigorates that field with a new perspective, and boom. An explosion of progress. Of course, just until the cycle starts to repeat again.
One of the most truly brilliant humans in history. His incredible insight and foresight will forever be remembered. May those who guide the world look back to his acute sense of humanity and morality!
Quote from: gerleatherberman on March 14, 2018, 06:26:36 AMOne of the most truly brilliant humans in history. His incredible insight and foresight will forever be remembered. May those who guide the world look back to his acute sense of humanity and morality!Humanity and morality? It is well-known that he was a recidivist divorcee with a penchant for strip clubs. His philosophy, which denied ab initio the possibility of a creator - though all objective evidence points at that conclusion every effect (the universe) has a cause equal to or greater than itself - led him to forward the truly kooky notion that nothing created everything - nevermind that he offered no evidence of his thesis. As for his "morality", his worldview denies the possibility of objective morality because philosophical naturalism posits that there is no objective good or bad in the universe. We cannot ascribe morality to someone who denies its existence.Were it not for his confinement to a wheelchair and his electronic voice, few of us would have ever heard of him. But the greatest, most brilliant genius of our times he was surely not. (Image removed from quote.) Running for cover!
Quote from: gerleatherberman on March 14, 2018, 06:26:36 AMOne of the most truly brilliant humans in history. His incredible insight and foresight will forever be remembered. May those who guide the world look back to his acute sense of humanity and morality!Humanity and morality? It is well-known that he was a recidivist divorcee with a penchant for strip clubs. His philosophy, which denied ab initio the possibility of a creator - though all objective evidence points at the conclusion that every effect (the universe) has a cause equal to or greater than itself - led him to forward the truly kooky notion that nothing created everything - nevermind that he offered no evidence of his thesis. As for his "morality", his worldview denies the possibility of objective morality because philosophical naturalism posits that there is no objective good or bad in the universe. We cannot ascribe morality to someone who denies its existence.Were it not for his confinement to a wheelchair and his electronic voice, few of us would have ever heard of him. But the greatest, most brilliant genius of our times he was surely not. (Image removed from quote.) Running for cover!