So, if it were possible to have a totally knifmeless society ( pick a country ). What exactly would that look like? I understand this guy said there was no good reason to carry a knife but I'm taking it a step further.
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Quote from: Aloha007 on April 13, 2018, 04:10:01 PMSo, if it were possible to have a totally knifmeless society ( pick a country ). What exactly would that look like? I understand this guy said there was no good reason to carry a knife but I'm taking it a step further. Well, first of awl, no sandwiches. Or watermelon slices.
So, if it were possible to have a totally knifeless society ( pick a country ). What exactly would that look like? I understand this guy said there was no good reason to carry a knife but I'm taking it a step further.
That headline picture.... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/08/uk-knife-crime-offenders-longer-jail-sentences(Image removed from quote.) More than 500 knives, 11 firearms and 50 other weapons recovered during one week of Operation Sceptre in London last year. Photograph: Metropolitan police/EPA
Quote from: greenbear on April 13, 2018, 10:18:19 AMHe is trying to build a high profile political career for himself - outside London he is disliked and not highly respected - don't take what he says too literally.If you replace "London" with another region or country that statement can be used to describe many current political figures He was elected in London, so his views represent the majority of London voters. Why would they elect him if they did not agree with him
He is trying to build a high profile political career for himself - outside London he is disliked and not highly respected - don't take what he says too literally.
This is how elections workNot many representatives are elected with 100% of the votes, in democraciesBrexit, Scotish Independence votes had narrow majorities but they are still valid and taken to represent the will of the people.Maybe most Londoners really do want knives to be made illegal.
I find myself in agreement with hiraethus and Mechy that what we need is better policing of existing laws addressing violence. Perhaps combined with better preventative measures to reduce the motivation to engage in criminal behavior. But that would be hard...
Question, regardless of his fear mongering, can his opinion actually change the law which fully allows the carrying of a non locking blade under 3"? The rhetoric can be as it may, can he change the law?
Quote from: pomsbz on April 15, 2018, 05:20:23 PMQuestion, regardless of his fear mongering, can his opinion actually change the law which fully allows the carrying of a non locking blade under 3"? The rhetoric can be as it may, can he change the law?Give a lawmaker an inch, he'll take all three. Not being familiar with English law (except as the basis for USA law), I can't be sure, but suspect he can't change the law with a single stroke of his pen. However, this is where ridiculous laws start: someone starts framing the problem as a "dangerous weapon" problem, others join in, no one has the courage to stand up for reason, and the group changes the law. So....yes...he can.
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Quote from: Smashie on April 15, 2018, 07:05:35 PM(Removed)[the] Mayor has instructed the Met Police to concentrate on nasty tweets, fb postings and YT videos. About 900 officers all told that aren't on the streets.(Removed)Wow... I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt before... not so much now....
Quote from: Pablo O'Brien on April 15, 2018, 09:01:12 PMQuote from: Smashie on April 15, 2018, 07:05:35 PM(Removed)[the] Mayor has instructed the Met Police to concentrate on nasty tweets, fb postings and YT videos. About 900 officers all told that aren't on the streets.(Removed)Wow... I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt before... not so much now.... He was also the one who scaled back stop and search.
He was also the one who scaled back stop and search.
Quote from: Smashie on April 15, 2018, 09:21:32 PMHe was also the one who scaled back stop and search.Stop and Search was one of the reasons we Colonials got a bit uppity back in the '70's......the 1770's.....
Quote from: pomsbz on April 15, 2018, 05:20:23 PMQuestion, regardless of his fear mongering, can his opinion actually change the law which fully allows the carrying of a non locking blade under 3"? The rhetoric can be as it may, can he change the law?No he can't - effectively he is head of the London councils and has absolutely no power over UK law, only London's by-laws. Which is why he should be a little less loud about it all. As I said earlier he is trying to make a name for himself.
[ criminals never really care what the gun or knife laws are anyway.
His making a name for himself doesn't change the fact that he does have power to change at least the London laws. Here in the USA, Washington DC completely restricted firearms licensing for decades. Finally, a superior court stated that this ban was unconstitutional, and it has recently been lifted. Though all that means is that people can apply and will probably have to jump through tremendous hoops to get a license.This London mayor can change things there for decades or forever. Which sucks.People will use bricks or bare hands anyway. And the criminals never really care what the gun or knife laws are anyway.
Quote from: greenbear on April 16, 2018, 07:15:01 PMQuote from: pomsbz on April 15, 2018, 05:20:23 PMQuestion, regardless of his fear mongering, can his opinion actually change the law which fully allows the carrying of a non locking blade under 3"? The rhetoric can be as it may, can he change the law?No he can't - effectively he is head of the London councils and has absolutely no power over UK law, only London's by-laws. Which is why he should be a little less loud about it all. As I said earlier he is trying to make a name for himself.His making a name for himself doesn't change the fact that he does have power to change at least the London laws. Here in the USA, Washington DC completely restricted firearms licensing for decades. Finally, a superior court stated that this ban was unconstitutional, and it has recently been lifted. Though all that means is that people can apply and will probably have to jump through tremendous hoops to get a license.This London mayor can change things there for decades or forever. Which sucks.People will use bricks or bare hands anyway. And the criminals never really care what the gun or knife laws are anyway.
Quote from: ThundahBeagle on April 16, 2018, 07:21:05 PM[ criminals never really care what the gun or knife laws are anyway.This ^^ Come on now. Criminals will not be deterred. This is not to say we shouldn't have laws obviously. Anyone intent on killing can certainly find a number of ways to accomplish it.
People will use bricks or bare hands anyway. And the criminals never really care what the gun or knife laws are anyway.