Access to Power -SOG 30-day Challenge! Starting June 1st! Access & Access Deluxe

Nix · **Reply #360 on:** June 17, 2018, 03:20:26 PM

Nix · **Reply #361 on:** June 17, 2018, 04:10:10 PM

Day 12:

Checklist challenge!

Show yer checklists today:

Nix · **Reply #362 on:** June 17, 2018, 04:14:16 PM

Wspeed · **Reply #363 on:** June 17, 2018, 04:16:44 PM

Checklist Day 17

gerleatherberman · **Reply #364 on:** June 17, 2018, 04:28:21 PM

Most excellent progress on your lists, gentlemen!

I am fairly close to completion. But, I am dreading the can opener testing. I can buy my diet Coke in the old-style glass bottles to try the cap lifter on though.

Nix · **Reply #365 on:** June 17, 2018, 05:04:32 PM

Nix · **Reply #366 on:** June 17, 2018, 08:53:07 PM

Day 12 (continued):

Used the PAD and bits to tighten up a loose drawer handle in the kitchen. Worked well!

Nix · **Reply #367 on:** June 17, 2018, 08:53:59 PM

D_T.......checklist?......

Dutch_Tooler · **Reply #368 on:** June 17, 2018, 10:21:24 PM

Checklist? What checklist?

Just kidding... pretty well along actually, only have a few items left, including the small screwdriver and all the can opener actions (for lack of suitable cans). I have the checklist at the office so can't show y'awl right now.

On Day 17, again, not much use, although the PAD has been in my pocket all day. So here's a beauty shot with a somewhat recognisable theme. I'll do better soon, I think, some days off coming up.

Nix · **Reply #369 on:** June 17, 2018, 11:02:05 PM

....but don't wear out that cap-lifter too quickly!

gerleatherberman · **Reply #370 on:** June 18, 2018, 12:50:54 AM

At this point, D_T has used the cap lifter so much, it may qualify as abuse.

J/K

Day 17. Thought the #1 phillips in the handle would wotk, but it was actually too big for these screws. Used the adapter and mini phillips bit to tighten the hinge screws on the doggie barrier to the dining room. They get loose from moving the barrier around fairly often.

Nix · **Reply #371 on:** June 18, 2018, 01:31:13 AM

Day 12 (continued):

Another little bit of disappointment.....

I wanted to cut a small length of hi-vis mono-filament line this afternoon. I thought nothing of opening up the PAD to use the wire snips to cut this 30# mono. The mono is fairly stiff and resembles fine wire, so I expected the PAD to snip it easily.

But....NO.

I was a bit surprised that the PAD merely folded the mono, and didn't cut it.

What? I tried again. And again. Same result. The mono just folded up.

Now, I thought I had snipped mono in the past using the wire snips on a multitool, but, you know, I may have forgotten the truth. Still, I was a bit freaked out that I may have had a false memory.

Could I really be that wrong?!?

So, I rummaged around and dug out some other multitools to test:

As you can see (look carefully now), my Charge, Rebar, and Spirit all cut the mono cleanly and easily. If pressed, I'd say the Rebar did the best job. The Spirit was a bit fiddly because the run of wire cutting edges is small and required more focus. However, if aligned properly, the Spirit did the job easily and precisely.

The PAD, not at all. See the photo above where the mono is just folded up in the PAD's jaws.

Not shown: I also tested a LM Skeletool. Yes, it also snipped the mono easily. I used the mono to fashion a short lanyard on the PAD in anticipation of going fishing. I'd like a very positive attachment to avoid losing this PAD. I think.

The Skeletool was super-useful for snipping the mono after tying knots in order to remove the tag ends.

Good thing I didn't need the lanyard attached to the Skeletool...........

Nix · **Reply #372 on:** June 18, 2018, 01:45:42 AM

Guess I should add a shot of the new lanyard:

If you look closely, you'll see a small snippet of mono that the Skeletool cut off the final knot.

Yeah, I said 'Skeletool'.

gerleatherberman · **Reply #373 on:** June 18, 2018, 03:17:08 AM

It is disturbing to learn about the cutter issue, but that isn't uncommon for a lot of MTs, from my experience. Will it cut small steel wire or electrical cord?
I would have expected this on Wspeed's and powernoodle's PAD(nail abuse test) to be more likely to have this issue.

Is the inability of the cutter consistent for the length of the cutters? Or just a portion(#edit: exactly where you pictured it)?

Sorry to ask so many questions, but your experience has me curious as to my PAD cutter's abilities. I do intend to check mine for issues at some point.

Now, with that said, I have experienced this issue with fine electrical wire on; one of my old(USA) SOG PowerLocks, one of my two Waves, my supertool 300, my swisstool, and several Gerber's(the replaceable cutter kind). The Wave being the worst of them(it couldn't even cut 18-2 lamp wire properly). LM did fix it with a new plier head, but dang, it was a brand new wave. While a majority of my MTs have little to no issue cutting fine electrical wire, I am not really surprised anymore when I encounter it.

To be honest, I am not familiar with the material you are cutting. Where about does it land in a chart between basic fishing line and thin string trimmer line(#80 or so)?

Nix · **Reply #374 on:** June 18, 2018, 04:02:10 AM

The mono-filament is maybe 40% as thick as string trimmer line. It is a heavy fishing line. $:-\$

Nix · **Reply #375 on:** June 18, 2018, 04:15:06 AM

I had some similar questions, G-man.

I went and tested out a couple of other wire-type materials........

1. Tie Wire (may have other names): PAD cut this stuff easily. I demonstrated this in an earlier post, but went back to it as a benchmark.

2. Speaker wire: PAD struggled to cut this cleanly. With a couple of extra twists at the end, the two strands did get cut, but you can see the ragged edges.

3. Zip tie: this got crimped, but didn't get cut. Wait......really? OK, I tried to cut the zip tie along the flat side. What if I tried cutting on the short side?

4. Garden wire: PAD failed to cut this. The wire just got bent. This is a fine wire, coated in a protective green plastic coating. Should be cut easily. (I cut the piece with a dull garden knife.)

Better results with a bit of technique.

You can see I cut two different zip ties, one a bit thicker than the other. The trick here was to cut the thin edge, not the flat side (note: the crimp line from my first cutting attempt is still visible on the blue zip tie.)

Overall, this cutting test is definitely concerning.

gerleatherberman · **Reply #376 on:** June 18, 2018, 04:41:21 AM

Nix,
I am compiling a crappy(but accurate) chart right now that somewhat confirms the imperfect cutter section results you had from the PAD. I tested it against seven other tools with three type of wire. 1. 12g speaker wire with heavy jacket. 2. stranded copper jumper wire for computer mainboards. 3. solid core alarm system wire(22g).
I will post the results in a bit. I took a lot of photos.

Thank you for checking with those mediums, Nix!

Nix · **Reply #377 on:** June 18, 2018, 05:07:40 AM

gerleatherberman · **Reply #378 on:** June 18, 2018, 06:49:17 AM

My results show that the cutters on my PAD are not quite as sloppy as yours, but mine did worse than I had anticipated.

Most of my other test subjects didn't do well either, so I can't quite condemn my PAD cutters just yet. (See chart attached) I will be checking the cutters periodically to see if they get any worse. The PowerLock I tested is my oldest and most used SOGs with lots of pliers-slop and the PAD didn't do much better. You can look at the images to see how well each cut was. Each wire was cut once with no twisting or pulling. I used the mid section of each tool's cutters and allowed two cuts for small cutters(one cut per side) on the 12g. wire.

I have individual images of each tool/wire results if anyone needs them.

gerleatherberman · **Reply #379 on:** June 18, 2018, 07:24:09 AM

To pile on the tests, I tried four unused SOGs (US and China). Left to right: PowerPlier, PowerLock(pre-patent early), PowerLock(newer 2.0), PowerGrab, and PAD.
The PAD was the only one that failed to cut the same jumper wire from earlier. $:-\$

Dutch_Tooler · **Reply #380 on:** June 18, 2018, 08:41:22 AM

Day 18

I owe y'awl a checklist... see below.

Intrigued by the cutting tests and the mixed results I have tested the cutters on my PAD again, see 2nd pic.

Results are mostly positive: zip tie and thin earphone wire PASS, garden wire (see earlier test, I call it chicken wire) PASS, but thin braided nylon wire FAIL as this simply folds up between the jaws. This is OK I think, for that I'd prefer a blade anyway.

gerleatherberman · **Reply #381 on:** June 18, 2018, 08:57:33 AM

Thank you for the checklist and testing the cutters, D_T!

Looks like your cutters are excellent. I would never think many cutters could cut braided nylon (that stuff is like cutting thread).

So, as it stands, the order of best to worst reported cutters is: D_T, glbm, and Nix.
Hopefully W will report on his PAD cutters.

Don Pablo · **Reply #382 on:** June 18, 2018, 09:02:56 AM

Quote from: gerleatherberman on June 18, 2018, 06:49:17 AM

My results show that the cutters on my PAD are not quite as sloppy as yours, but mine did worse than I had anticipated.

Most of my other test subjects didn't do well either, so I can't quite condemn my PAD cutters just yet. (See chart attached) I will be checking the cutters periodically to see if they get any worse. The PowerLock I tested is my oldest and most used SOGs with lots of pliers-slop and the PAD didn't do much better. You can look at the images to see how well each cut was. Each wire was cut once with no twisting or pulling. I used the mid section of each tool's cutters and allowed two cuts for small cutters(one cut per side) on the 12g. wire.

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I have individual images of each tool/wire results if anyone needs them.

So if I understand the chart, the PAD got more passes than the Swisstool and Wave, and the Surge was the only one to get three passes.

Wspeed · **Reply #383 on:** June 18, 2018, 12:18:04 PM

I didn’t have any problems cutting anything I tried

But I will have one more go at testing
more wire of different sizes and thicknesses

I will post my results later

Wspeed · **Reply #384 on:** June 18, 2018, 12:24:14 PM

Day 18

Today I was checking the fluid levels in the engine bay
And needed something to open the power steering cap
Normally I use a large screwdriver but as I got the PAD
I found the file to be just right for removing the cap

Dutch_Tooler · **Reply #385 on:** June 18, 2018, 01:27:04 PM

In my book that qualifies as an imaginative use, Wspeed

Wspeed · **Reply #386 on:** June 18, 2018, 02:19:44 PM

That’s what I thought as well

ThePeacent · **Reply #387 on:** June 18, 2018, 02:26:16 PM

Quote from: Dutch_Tooler on June 18, 2018, 01:27:04 PM

In my book that qualifies as an imaginative use, Wspeed

+1
just beware that files (if we can call this one a file

) are usually hardened so should not be used to pry, twist or torque as they easily snapped

but I see that you used it putting the force closer to the pivot thus reducing the leverage multiplication effect

Wspeed · **Reply #388 on:** June 18, 2018, 02:40:39 PM

cutting test

I used the SOG PAD and PA
And the LM Crunch and the LM Supertool
For this test I have 8 different type wires
I started with the really thin wire copper and metal
Then had 4 different thickness of electrical wire
The brown wire has a solid copper wire
And 2 different size trimmer wire

The first 2 pics is what I tested the MTs with

The PAD and PA both didn’t have any
problems cutting the 8 different size wires

Only the LM Crunch didn’t cut the
green trimmer wire on one of the cuts

Wspeed · **Reply #389 on:** June 18, 2018, 02:41:27 PM

The PAD

Cut everything no problems

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