Since we don't know what country you are
1- any laws that would give you trouble for defending yourself with pepper spray is probably not going to be very happy with you for using an expandable baton for self defense either.
2- if your assailant is close enough to grab you
an expandable baton is of no use to you as you need time to extend it and space to swing it
Once again I would strongly suggest that you take some hand to hand training
You will need weapons training to use it effectively anyway, you may as well start with your own body.
and de-escalation tactics so you can maybe avoid these types of alterations in the first place.
Let's get one thing straight here- let's stop referring to them as Muslims. It sounds like these people are idiots, and their ethnicity is of no consequence, as I have encountered violent idiots in all backgrounds. Singling them (and Africans) out really weakens your argument to the layperson, as they tend to focus on what appears to be a racist comment. I am not calling you racist, I am just saying that the extra information dilutes the issue unnecessarily- ie, you need to defend against an attack, not defend against Muslims.In fact, we have more than a few Muslims here, and I have faith that any of them would back up a fellow MTO member in need, and there's no reason to make them feel like they are the bad guys.Getting that out of the way, there are lots of ways to learn self defense, even without a teacher. Get together with some friends who also would like to learn, and wrestle things out between you, until you find what works. Someone had to invent fighting styles originally, and they didn't have someone to teach them. They just figured it out.As for facing a knife when you are unarmed, I have done it many times, and I have the scars to prove it. Most folks don't know how to use a knife in combat, and are very easily subdued as long as you know what you are doing.I am also a certified instructor on the Winchester Expandable Baton and the Rapid Rotation Baton System, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that in close quarters, a baton, like almost any weapon becomes a liability. If you truly want to use a weapon to defend yourself, I suggest getting yourself a cane and studying Hapkido. Not a sword cane, gun cane, or indeed any kind of special ninja cane, I mean a straight up wood or aluminum cane, the type you see elderly people use. If you lean on it when you walk, people will assume you have a medical condition, and see you as no threat, and maybe fights won't just magically happen around you any more. And, if they do, and you have studied properly, then you will have no issues protecting yourself.Realistically, I suggest that you find out what it is that seems to get you into these situations and try to alter that.Def
Here's a story to give you some perspective. When I was young and impressive I worked in the jails in Toronto. I used to regularly meet up with guys who thought they were the baddest of the bad, but honestly, if they were half the badasses they thought they were then they wouldn't have been in jail. Guys would mouth off all the time and, when they threatened to come after me when they got out, I would give them my home address, because I knew none of them would have the nerve to follow up on it.I was wrong.One night I was getting home from a long day, and I was tired. I got off the elevator and began walking absentmindedly down the hall towards my apartment, when I saw a guy leaning against the wall near my door. As I got closer, he stood up and faced me. I didn't break stride as I realized that I knew this guy from somewhere, although I didn't know immediately from where.That's when he pulled a knife, and I immediately remembered where I knew him from. He was some punk kid (a very large punk kid) who had been in my jail some time before, and I guess he was here to make a name for himself. From his stance I immediately knew he was "trained" by watching TV and movies, so I never felt any real threat, because I had been training and doing for a few years at this point.When I got close enough (he was between me and my door) he lunged at me, trying to stick the knife in my lower chest or upper stomach. I caught the guard of the knife on my wrist, pivoted around so the knife went wide, snatched it out of his grip so that I had it in the reverse grip, spun around and buried it up to the hilt in his opposite thigh. I imagine that if I'd lived in a building nice enough to have security cameras, that would have been really awesome to watch, and I have no hope in hell of doing that these days. As he jumped up and down on one leg trying to pull the knife out I casually opened the door and let out my very large dog, who was instantly alerted to the ruckus. Pete would have never hurt the guy, but the guy didn't know that. He yelled a nasty word and ran away as fast as his injured leg would allow him, with Pete chasing him down the hall and jumping at him. Pete was of course playing, but I doubt the guy knew that....The thing you need to take away from that story is that it doesn't matter what your mindset is (I believe he came to kill me), it doesn't matter what weapons you have (he had a knife and I had no weapons) and it doesn't matter how big or badass you are (he was probably close to double my size, as I was all of about 120 lbs in those days), what matters is training. You can carry all the weapons you think you are allowed to, but if you don't know how to use them, someone is going to take it from you and insert it into your anatomy in ways you likely will not appreciate. You want to defend yourself? Learn to defend yourself. Carrying weapons and not knowing how to use them is remarkably stupid, and is very likely to cause you to end up in jail, if you are lucky. Not every fight needs to be fought- have the sense to tell the difference.And if any ninja teacher tells you any different, don't pay him, because he probably learned to fight from Jackie Chan movies too.Def
Quote from: Grant Lamontagne on May 30, 2018, 03:17:23 AMLet's get one thing straight here- let's stop referring to them as Muslims. It sounds like these people are idiots, and their ethnicity is of no consequence, as I have encountered violent idiots in all backgrounds. Singling them (and Africans) out really weakens your argument to the layperson, as they tend to focus on what appears to be a racist comment. I am not calling you racist, I am just saying that the extra information dilutes the issue unnecessarily- ie, you need to defend against an attack, not defend against Muslims.In fact, we have more than a few Muslims here, and I have faith that any of them would back up a fellow MTO member in need, and there's no reason to make them feel like they are the bad guys.Getting that out of the way, there are lots of ways to learn self defense, even without a teacher. Get together with some friends who also would like to learn, and wrestle things out between you, until you find what works. Someone had to invent fighting styles originally, and they didn't have someone to teach them. They just figured it out.As for facing a knife when you are unarmed, I have done it many times, and I have the scars to prove it. Most folks don't know how to use a knife in combat, and are very easily subdued as long as you know what you are doing.I am also a certified instructor on the Winchester Expandable Baton and the Rapid Rotation Baton System, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that in close quarters, a baton, like almost any weapon becomes a liability. If you truly want to use a weapon to defend yourself, I suggest getting yourself a cane and studying Hapkido. Not a sword cane, gun cane, or indeed any kind of special ninja cane, I mean a straight up wood or aluminum cane, the type you see elderly people use. If you lean on it when you walk, people will assume you have a medical condition, and see you as no threat, and maybe fights won't just magically happen around you any more. And, if they do, and you have studied properly, then you will have no issues protecting yourself.Realistically, I suggest that you find out what it is that seems to get you into these situations and try to alter that.DefI'm with Grant on all the points he's made, but a pause for thought here. If you use any kind of weapon against an unarmed person, who's getting arrested and charged? Not the dude trying to fondle your plums that's a certainty!I'm really not as good with him with a baton either! Although I was qualified to PW1 plus a few other speSmurfpillsations and spent a hell of long time teaching people how not to get into the smurf in first place.Right now this will make me unpopular but I've never been confused with someone who gives a smurf. from the first line line of your post it would appear that you initiated the confrontation by complaining about his wife.
The chosen approach depends on the perception of the person, it seems. There's a Youtube channel of an expat living in China, where he talks about the culture, gives tips, tells and shows the differences he faced there as an expat etc. In one of the videos he tells his worst experience in the country, when he was forced to pay for a service he did not receive in a massage saloon. He declined to pay and then things escalated. The personnel of the saloon all came on to him, he had to go out side, then other locals also got mixed up in the situation. He was encircled (I hope this is the right word) by the angry mob, insulted. That's when he made a mistake, according to him: He insulted back to that particular person. Though, that guy twisted his words and told to everybody around that he insulted the whole Chinese people. And at that point the beating began. Even passers by attacked him. By chance there was a police bike passing by, he intervened and stopped the whole thing, taking him and the saloon people to the police station for a hearing etc. He was let go, later on.The thing that impressed me in this horrible example is that the guy says in the video that HE made a mistake. Since he's innocent from the very beginning he easily would have blamed the a**holes attacking him, could have talked badly about the country, culture, people... Instead he said that he should have remained calm, kept things (and himself) under control and not have given that insulting guy the advantage by replying to him with an insult. If he had did that and not escalated the aggression, he would at least haven't been beaten by the time the police came.
so i am back from the hospital now. What happened? I was falling over am stair and injured my left arm... sry I will replay here next week!
I had to draw my knife out twice in past year, I had no choice. Both times the bad guys took off running like jackrabbits.
Quote from: Kampfer on May 31, 2018, 05:01:02 AMI had to draw my knife out twice in past year, I had no choice. Both times the bad guys took off running like jackrabbits.Can you blame them Kam if you drew your Esplada or any one of the knifes picture in your avatar they may have also wet themselves
Quote from: Aloha007 on May 31, 2018, 07:33:38 AMQuote from: Kampfer on May 31, 2018, 05:01:02 AMI had to draw my knife out twice in past year, I had no choice. Both times the bad guys took off running like jackrabbits.Can you blame them Kam if you drew your Esplada or any one of the knifes picture in your avatar they may have also wet themselves I mean, what's a mugger gonna do when his would-be victim draws a folding sword?
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