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EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox

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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #90 on: June 23, 2018, 02:35:38 PM


:o  ... yes, appreciated  :D
So it's a 62-64 Pioneer today then?

I also have a 66 Elsener in red. They used spare red scales for quite a few years...

But you're right (except it's a Soldier, not a Pioneer :P)

Day 170

Elsener Soldier 1964 in red.
This one's scales are a bit worst than the one I carried on day "1" (150) but unlike that one the blade and tools are pristine :D (I'll post the first two in the Hats thread too :P)





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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #91 on: June 25, 2018, 12:19:08 AM
Day 171

Victorinox Pioneer Rancher in red OC scales



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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #92 on: June 25, 2018, 08:05:17 AM


:o  ... yes, appreciated  :D
So it's a 62-64 Pioneer today then?

I also have a 66 Elsener in red. They used spare red scales for quite a few years...

But you're right (except it's a Soldier, not a Pioneer :P)

Day 170

Elsener Soldier 1964 in red.
This one's scales are a bit worst than the one I carried on day "1" (150) but unlike that one the blade and tools are pristine :D (I'll post the first two in the Hats thread too :P)





Great pics, and hat Syem  :tu:  :like:

I keep using Pioneer and Soldier term for the same, sorry. Pioneer was the commercial one without year stamp, with brass liners (up to a point) and with keyring, right?

I did mean the Soldier then.

Ok, so  occasionally​ there are older ones in red  :tu:
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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #93 on: June 25, 2018, 08:09:23 AM
Day 171

Victorinox Pioneer Rancher in red OC scales



Just lovely  :dd:
Maybe you should have a look at the calendar thread in the Shutter Shop?


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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #94 on: June 25, 2018, 08:30:21 PM
Great pics, and hat Syem  :tu:  :like:

I keep using Pioneer and Soldier term for the same, sorry. Pioneer was the commercial one without year stamp, with brass liners (up to a point) and with keyring, right?

I did mean the Soldier then.

Ok, so  occasionally​ there are older ones in red  :tu:
Thanks!
Many Pioneers don't have a keyring...
I could say the main difference resides in the year tang-stamp but some spare soldier blades have been used on Pioneers.
Another difference of note could be the cap lifter... But it actually evolved pretty much the same way on both... Newer Soldiers have the crappy slim cap-lifter. And while most Pioneers easily found have the new cap-lifter too you can find older ones with the same as the soldiers'.
Main difference then is the scales. Pioneers are either OC or have the new "hexagonal" shield... Or advertising. Soldiers always have either the "fat old cross" with the quality check stamp in it or the newer rounded shield.
Some old Pioneers have the full-size awl instead of the in-line awl/reamer too. I've got one coming my way

Just lovely  :dd:
Maybe you should have a look at the calendar thread in the Shutter Shop?

Maybe I should I feel bad submitting cell-phone pictures to such a thread though...
I don't mind if you want to post mine in my stead :D
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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #95 on: June 25, 2018, 08:35:20 PM
Day 172

Wenger Soldier/SI 65


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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #96 on: June 25, 2018, 08:42:42 PM
Thanks Ollie  :salute: I did a bit of research today and found out that the opener layer of the Soldiers was as thick as the blade layer, until some time in the 90s maybe?
What I couldn't find out was how the blade of the Soldiers is different to the Pioneers  Especially to the current Pioneers. I think on my 2017 olive Pioneer the blade has quite a gap to the awl.
And the shape of kinda special on the current Pioneers (asymmetrical).


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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #97 on: June 25, 2018, 08:45:28 PM
Day 172

Wenger Soldier/SI 65


Beautiful picture   :like:


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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #98 on: June 25, 2018, 08:46:58 PM
The asymmetrical (crinked) blade on the Pioneer series is neccesary otherwise the second tool in the layer (small blade/pruner blade/electrician´s blade/awl) won´t fit.
Only the Pioneer Solo comes with a straight, centered blade (but only occasionally!).


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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #99 on: June 25, 2018, 08:56:58 PM
The asymmetrical (crinked) blade on the Pioneer series is neccesary otherwise the second tool in the layer (small blade/pruner blade/electrician´s blade/awl) won´t fit.
Only the Pioneer Solo comes with a straight, centered blade (but only occasionally!).

Thanks Ron  :salute:
And that I think is not "fully" true because there is quite a big gap between the blade and the awl.
The blade could be thicker there, or more symmetrical, I think.
It looks that way on my 2017 Pioneer at least.
So I would like to see a comparison to an older Soldier  :D


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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #100 on: June 25, 2018, 09:24:43 PM
The asymmetrical (crinked) blade on the Pioneer series is neccesary otherwise the second tool in the layer (small blade/pruner blade/electrician´s blade/awl) won´t fit.
Only the Pioneer Solo comes with a straight, centered blade (but only occasionally!).

Thanks Ron  :salute:
And that I think is not "fully" true because there is quite a big gap between the blade and the awl.
The blade could be thicker there, or more symmetrical, I think.
It looks that way on my 2017 Pioneer at least.
So I would like to see a comparison to an older Soldier  :D

A picture will make it clearer.

from top to bottom: uncrinked Solo, Pruner, and Carver.

As you can see the Carver has the gap, but the Pruner doesn´t. Yet the main blade is crinked the same way. Probably saves on production costs.
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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #101 on: June 25, 2018, 09:39:26 PM
The asymmetrical (crinked) blade on the Pioneer series is neccesary otherwise the second tool in the layer (small blade/pruner blade/electrician´s blade/awl) won´t fit.
Only the Pioneer Solo comes with a straight, centered blade (but only occasionally!).

Thanks Ron  :salute:
And that I think is not "fully" true because there is quite a big gap between the blade and the awl.
The blade could be thicker there, or more symmetrical, I think.
It looks that way on my 2017 Pioneer at least.
So I would like to see a comparison to an older Soldier  :D

A picture will make it clearer.

from top to bottom: uncrinked Solo, Pruner, and Carver.

As you can see the Carver has the gap, but the Pruner doesn´t. Yet the main blade is crinked the same way. Probably saves on production costs.
Looks like the pruner blade is thicker than the awl, thus having a thinner spacer, and a smaller space gap?
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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #102 on: June 25, 2018, 09:47:37 PM
The asymmetrical (crinked) blade on the Pioneer series is neccesary otherwise the second tool in the layer (small blade/pruner blade/electrician´s blade/awl) won´t fit.
Only the Pioneer Solo comes with a straight, centered blade (but only occasionally!).

Thanks Ron  :salute:
And that I think is not "fully" true because there is quite a big gap between the blade and the awl.
The blade could be thicker there, or more symmetrical, I think.
It looks that way on my 2017 Pioneer at least.
So I would like to see a comparison to an older Soldier  :D

A picture will make it clearer.

from top to bottom: uncrinked Solo, Pruner, and Carver.

As you can see the Carver has the gap, but the Pruner doesn´t. Yet the main blade is crinked the same way. Probably saves on production costs.
Looks like the pruner blade is thicker than the awl, thus having a thinner spacer, and a smaller space gap?
Actually, at the tang the pruner blade is thinner than the awl, by a very tiny bit.


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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #103 on: June 25, 2018, 09:50:46 PM
BTW Sorry we´re derailing your thread Syem  :oops:


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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #104 on: June 25, 2018, 09:51:28 PM
The asymmetrical (crinked) blade on the Pioneer series is neccesary otherwise the second tool in the layer (small blade/pruner blade/electrician´s blade/awl) won´t fit.
Only the Pioneer Solo comes with a straight, centered blade (but only occasionally!).

Thanks Ron  :salute:
And that I think is not "fully" true because there is quite a big gap between the blade and the awl.
The blade could be thicker there, or more symmetrical, I think.
It looks that way on my 2017 Pioneer at least.
So I would like to see a comparison to an older Soldier  :D

A picture will make it clearer.

from top to bottom: uncrinked Solo, Pruner, and Carver.

As you can see the Carver has the gap, but the Pruner doesn´t. Yet the main blade is crinked the same way. Probably saves on production costs.

That's it, I can see what you mean now. Thanks a million Ron, much appreciated  :cheers:


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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #105 on: June 25, 2018, 10:48:40 PM
BTW Sorry we´re derailing your thread Syem  :oops:
Nah it's fine! I appreciate the activity and the good info :D


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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #106 on: June 25, 2018, 10:56:19 PM
BTW Sorry we´re derailing your thread Syem  :oops:
Nah it's fine! I appreciate the activity and the good info :D

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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #107 on: June 27, 2018, 01:52:42 AM
Day 173

Victorinox Alox Solo in red OC with bail and symmetrical blade.

Recently restored by the spa... New scales and bail and rejuvenated original blade...

It's sitting on a box that some might recognize. It teamed up with little Sigsetter here to open up some knife mail which deserves sunlight for its pictures.



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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #108 on: June 27, 2018, 08:13:16 AM
Day 173

Victorinox Alox Solo in red OC with bail and symmetrical blade.

Recently restored by the spa... New scales and bail and rejuvenated original blade...

It's sitting on a box that some might recognize. It teamed up with little Sigsetter here to open up some knife mail which deserves sunlight for its pictures.



 :like:
The Spa being Victorinox I suppose.
Great to see they're doing excellent work  :tu:

Soooo.... a box, right.... :popcorn:


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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #109 on: June 27, 2018, 02:17:23 PM
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The Spa being Victorinox I suppose.
Great to see they're doing excellent work  :tu:

Soooo.... a box, right.... :popcorn:

Yep, the Vic Spa :D

Wooden box with "the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything" in the bottom right corner... that happens to be the serial number of this particular piece  :whistle:
I've been a naughty boy again ^^ Couldn't resist... I won't actively search for these but when they come up at a fair price I'll keep pulling the trigger :ahhh

Can't give you more clues ^^


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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #110 on: June 27, 2018, 06:57:50 PM
love the solo   :tu: , if the box is upside down i will guess Kantonmesser   ???
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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #111 on: June 27, 2018, 07:02:19 PM
:like:
The Spa being Victorinox I suppose.
Great to see they're doing excellent work  :tu:

Soooo.... a box, right.... :popcorn:

Yep, the Vic Spa :D

Wooden box with "the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything" in the bottom right corner... that happens to be the serial number of this particular piece  :whistle:
I've been a naughty boy again ^^ Couldn't resist... I won't actively search for these but when they come up at a fair price I'll keep pulling the trigger :ahhh

Can't give you more clues ^^

... he he... congrats  :tu:


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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #112 on: June 27, 2018, 10:16:33 PM
love the solo   :tu: , if the box is upside down i will guess Kantonmesser   ???

Correct  :cheers:
Upside down box indeed otherwise it would've been way too obvious  :whistle:

I promised myself I wouldn't chase those but just couldn't pass that one... only 100 of each in the world so it's extremely rare to stumble upon them.  :climber:
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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #113 on: June 27, 2018, 10:56:41 PM
Day 174

Victorinox Pioneer - golden coloured, with bail, with a vintage awl and with a Fischer tang-stamp. Dunno about the time period yet so I welcome any insights on this piece!

Just got it the other day and couldn't pass carrying it on this extremely important day in the office. I wish I could explain what happened but its basically a really big milestone.







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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #114 on: June 27, 2018, 11:40:09 PM
Day 174

Victorinox Pioneer - golden coloured, with bail, with a vintage awl and with a Fischer tang-stamp. Dunno about the time period yet so I welcome any insights on this piece!

Just got it the other day and couldn't pass carrying it on this extremely important day in the office. I wish I could explain what happened but its basically a really big milestone.







Lovely old Pioneer Syem  :dd:   :like:

- Can opener no +Pat = 1971-
- Bottle opener with write stripper = 1951-1980
- Fisher = 1957-? ... but that side of the Tang was only stamped until 1974

So you're probably looking at 1971-74 of the tools are original, and of there is really no +Pat stamp.

I'm not sure about the awl though.

You might also find this thread interesting...
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,18265.msg344627.html#msg344627

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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #115 on: June 29, 2018, 02:27:29 AM
Day 175

Elsener Soldier 1965 in silver Alox. I think its the first year with such scales and its in great condition.




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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #116 on: June 29, 2018, 02:28:45 AM


Lovely old Pioneer Syem  :dd:   :like:

- Can opener no +Pat = 1971-
- Bottle opener with write stripper = 1951-1980
- Fisher = 1957-? ... but that side of the Tang was only stamped until 1974

So you're probably looking at 1971-74 of the tools are original, and of there is really no +Pat stamp.

I'm not sure about the awl though.

You might also find this thread interesting...
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,18265.msg344627.html#msg344627

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Thanks for the information. There's indeed no "pat" on the can-opener.


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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #117 on: June 29, 2018, 08:08:51 AM
Day 175

Elsener Soldier 1965 in silver Alox. I think its the first year with such scales and its in great condition.




Great pics of the 65 Soldier Syêm :like:
Nice view over the city too...


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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #118 on: June 29, 2018, 10:52:24 PM


Great pics of the 65 Soldier Syêm :like:
Nice view over the city too...

Thanks Matt! That flat/apartment really has a great view. On the first of August you can see the fireworks from all around the canton. I wish I lived there :D



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Re: EDC a different SAK every day for 30 days #6 - 93mm Alox
Reply #119 on: June 29, 2018, 10:57:50 PM
Day 176

Victorinox Sailor in red OC scales. It is in very good condition and I never brought it for repairs so the scales have really survived the test of time.





 

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