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Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?

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Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
on: September 04, 2018, 10:02:08 AM
In my little feature poll in the general forum a prying bar keeps getting mentioned, and I would like one personally too. My worry though is that having a prying bar is asking for abuse. I might be wrong or too pessimistic about that though, so some real life experiences might help. And as I'm hesitant to break my only Spirit I'll try asking here instead.

I figure the weak spot for a (stiff enough) prying bar is at the tang. The Spirit certainly has an unusually thick flat screwdriver/ prying bar, so that is stiff. My question then is has anyone broken the tang area or made it sloppy when using a the Spirit for prying?
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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #1 on: September 04, 2018, 10:11:24 AM
Ah, smurf it. I'll just put that tip in a vise, cross my fingers, and do my worst..  :ahhh
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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #2 on: September 04, 2018, 11:25:25 AM
Quote from: Vidar on September 04, 2018, 10:11:24 AM
Ah, smurf it. I'll just put that tip in a vise, cross my fingers, and do my worst..  :ahhh
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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #3 on: September 04, 2018, 12:00:00 PM
I've pried the hell out of it and hasn't broken or bent yet  :salute:

IME the most common failure point is the pivot which can easily get bent and deformed when applying force at the far end of the flathead/prybar/tool, especially if the pivot or rivet is made of softer materials (aluminum, brass, etc.) but those in the Spirit are thick and made of tough material  :like:
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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #4 on: September 04, 2018, 06:34:50 PM
So, using my lack of better sense, I did try to bend the prying thing on a Spirit by putting the end in a wise and basically pulling the handle sideways from that. To increase leverage I decided that unfolding the handles was a good idea.

So first bend one way while dragging what I can with one hand (needed the other for the camera), then the same the other way, and finally self- release and drag with two hands.. At that point I'm kicking off too so I assume it is about the same as putting the tip in a little crack on a wall and hang my body weight from the handle.


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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #5 on: September 04, 2018, 06:40:03 PM
I measured the Spirit pivot rivet length before and after these prying actions. No difference whatsoever - 14.27mm before I started, and 14.27mm after. So the rivet is doing fine. And it still folds back perfectly - which given the Spirits low tolerances means it is unaffected and utterly unimpressed by my pull power.

That was both impressive and reassuring!

Anyone know the diameter of that pivot rivet?
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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #6 on: September 04, 2018, 06:41:51 PM
 :o :o :o

That took some guts, that did :salute:
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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #7 on: September 04, 2018, 06:42:11 PM
Impressive!  :like:
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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #8 on: September 04, 2018, 07:49:01 PM
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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #9 on: September 04, 2018, 08:20:36 PM
Wow! That is impressive :hatsoff: for having the guts to do that!

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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #10 on: September 04, 2018, 08:20:59 PM
Hooked, like everyone else. ;)

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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #11 on: September 04, 2018, 08:29:23 PM
Anything worth doing is worth overdoing... next up how long has the tube have to be to increase leverage :P
:tu: Happy with that result.
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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #12 on: September 04, 2018, 10:33:14 PM
Quote from: Etherealicer on September 04, 2018, 08:29:23 PM
Anything worth doing is worth overdoing... next up how long has the tube have to be to increase leverage :P
:tu: Happy with that result.

I was quite happy too! :D Much respect to Victorinox - that thing is proper tough, and they did make the investment in space and weight to make it so.

The handle does flex so the tool provides plenty of feedback that going further isn't a great idea. In normal use I would have stopped long before that.

Of course I can manage to break it at some point somehow if I want to, but for me it was enough to see that it can take lots of human powered abuse without a trace.
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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #13 on: September 04, 2018, 11:18:56 PM
Quote from: Vidar on September 04, 2018, 06:40:03 PM
I measured the Spirit pivot rivet length before and after these prying actions. No difference whatsoever - 14.27mm before I started, and 14.27mm after. So the rivet is doing fine. And it still folds back perfectly - which given the Spirits low tolerances means it is unaffected and utterly unimpressed by my pull power.

That was both impressive and reassuring!

Anyone know the diameter of that pivot rivet?

Hiraethus will probably know the diameter,  he's put a clip one of his so has replaced one of the rivets.
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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #14 on: September 05, 2018, 06:38:39 AM
 :like: :cheers: GUTSY and IMPRESIVE!
I wonder just how much force could be put on the Swiss Tool Pry tool.  :pok: :pok:
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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #15 on: September 05, 2018, 07:16:37 AM
Quote from: Kev D on September 04, 2018, 11:18:56 PM
Quote from: Vidar on September 04, 2018, 06:40:03 PM
I measured the Spirit pivot rivet length before and after these prying actions. No difference whatsoever - 14.27mm before I started, and 14.27mm after. So the rivet is doing fine. And it still folds back perfectly - which given the Spirits low tolerances means it is unaffected and utterly unimpressed by my pull power.

That was both impressive and reassuring!

Anyone know the diameter of that pivot rivet?

Hiraethus will probably know the diameter,  he's put a clip one of his so has replaced one of the rivets.

 :salute:  The pliers pivot is 4mm, but I don't know the size of the one at the other end for sure.  The head looks to be the same size, so I would say it's also 4mm, but I'm just guessing.
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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #16 on: September 05, 2018, 07:18:09 AM
Oh, and I think the pivots on the Spirit are nickel silver.
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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #17 on: September 05, 2018, 08:34:21 AM
Thank you :tu: That is interesting to know as a reference. I might be able to stick a feeler gouge in between the tools and get the diameter fairly well that way.

The right kind and size of steel for the purpose tend to take a lot more abuse than one would think. I'm still impressed by that one though!

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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #18 on: September 05, 2018, 02:53:53 PM
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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #19 on: September 05, 2018, 06:42:18 PM
Quote from: Vidar on September 05, 2018, 08:34:21 AM
Thank you :tu: That is interesting to know as a reference. I might be able to stick a feeler gouge in between the tools and get the diameter fairly well that way.

The right kind and size of steel for the purpose tend to take a lot more abuse than one would think. I'm still impressed by that one though!

you could always send an e-mail to Victorinox or ask on their Facebook page,  :think:
they tend to be very helpful providing that kind of information  :salute:
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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #20 on: September 05, 2018, 07:08:50 PM
Quote from: Aloha007 on September 05, 2018, 02:53:53 PM
Quote from: Steinar on September 04, 2018, 07:49:01 PM
:dwts:  :hatsoff:

This is me ^^

Nice to know it could take a fair amount of stress.

+1  :ahhh

I'm happy to see the positive outcome, though! I knew they were tough, but that was some serious deflection off nominal.  Pretty amazing it returned to zero with no play in the joint. Hats off to vidar and vic  :hatsoff:
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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #21 on: September 05, 2018, 09:26:35 PM
Well done.  The Spirit shrugged off that abuse!

 :cheers:
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Re: Has anyone broken the tang using a flat screwdriver/ prying bar on a Spirit?
Reply #22 on: September 05, 2018, 09:42:49 PM
Quote from: Vidar on September 04, 2018, 06:40:03 PM
I measured the Spirit pivot rivet length before and after these prying actions. No difference whatsoever - 14.27mm before I started, and 14.27mm after. So the rivet is doing fine. And it still folds back perfectly - which given the Spirits low tolerances means it is unaffected and utterly unimpressed by my pull power.

That was both impressive and reassuring!

Anyone know the diameter of that pivot rivet?

Very impressive test Vidar! :like: :tu: :tu: :hatsoff: :hatsoff:

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