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Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
on: August 03, 2018, 08:32:42 AM
I am currently in the market for either a Vic Pioneer or Cadet. The only SAK I have right now is an 84mm Sportsman. I’m looking to carry this as a stand-alone for formal occasions and other scenarios when I can't carry my LM Wave and dedicated folder.

I really prefer the Pioneer’s awl and larger size, but I don’t know if the Cadet would be that much of a better choice because of the need to not have a pocket bulge.

If possible, can I get some pics comparing the thickness of the Cadet, Pioneer, and a 2 layer cellidor equivalent to a Sportsman to help me decide what to buy. Also, pics from different angles would be a great help  :)
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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #1 on: August 03, 2018, 09:41:59 AM
I carry a Wenger SI and can say it is no big deal in the pocket. If you like that awl, like I do, it is worth it. If you use a pocket suspension clip, it practically disappears in your pocket.

I had a Cadet and sold it. While I loved having the nail file, I found I didn’t need it as much as if I needed the inline awl. I can use the awl or knife to do much of the file work but the file won’t do what an awl will do.

My opinion. Good luck!




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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #2 on: August 03, 2018, 10:01:57 AM
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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #3 on: August 03, 2018, 10:13:47 AM
So the cadet is a little bit thicker than the pioneer would be if you took off the alox handles of the pioneer.  :D
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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #4 on: August 03, 2018, 12:17:36 PM
Quote from: CallsignBadger on August 03, 2018, 08:32:42 AM
I am currently in the market for either a Vic Pioneer or Cadet. The only SAK I have right now is an 84mm Sportsman. I’m looking to carry this as a stand-alone for formal occasions and other scenarios when I can't carry my LM Wave and dedicated folder.

I really prefer the Pioneer’s awl and larger size, but I don’t know if the Cadet would be that much of a better choice because of the need to not have a pocket bulge.

If possible, can I get some pics comparing the thickness of the Cadet, Pioneer, and a 2 layer cellidor equivalent to a Sportsman to help me decide what to buy. Also, pics from different angles would be a great help  :)

Why not go full MTo?!

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Just buy one (or more) of each and EDC them for some days.

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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #5 on: August 03, 2018, 04:19:02 PM
The Vic Alox SAKs are amazing!  The build quality is excellent and the tools are first rate! Since you have stated your preference and the only hesitation seems to be carrying it, I would suggest either a pocket suspension clip or a small belt pouch.

I don't have a Sportsman but do have Pioneers and Cadets and the Cadet has a decisive advantage when it comes to slipping in a pocket and forgetting it's there.  I am a huge fan of the inline awl and have several Pioneers of different colors. If I was considering which to carry, I would go with the tools I wanted and the model I preferred and then would figure out how to best carry it.

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Quote from: CallsignBadger on August 03, 2018, 08:32:42 AM
I am currently in the market for either a Vic Pioneer or Cadet. The only SAK I have right now is an 84mm Sportsman. I’m looking to carry this as a stand-alone for formal occasions and other scenarios when I can't carry my LM Wave and dedicated folder.

I really prefer the Pioneer’s awl and larger size, but I don’t know if the Cadet would be that much of a better choice because of the need to not have a pocket bulge.

If possible, can I get some pics comparing the thickness of the Cadet, Pioneer, and a 2 layer cellidor equivalent to a Sportsman to help me decide what to buy. Also, pics from different angles would be a great help  :)
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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #6 on: August 03, 2018, 06:36:50 PM
Quote from: pfrsantos on August 03, 2018, 12:17:36 PM
Quote from: CallsignBadger on August 03, 2018, 08:32:42 AM
I am currently in the market for either a Vic Pioneer or Cadet. The only SAK I have right now is an 84mm Sportsman. I’m looking to carry this as a stand-alone for formal occasions and other scenarios when I can't carry my LM Wave and dedicated folder.

I really prefer the Pioneer’s awl and larger size, but I don’t know if the Cadet would be that much of a better choice because of the need to not have a pocket bulge.

If possible, can I get some pics comparing the thickness of the Cadet, Pioneer, and a 2 layer cellidor equivalent to a Sportsman to help me decide what to buy. Also, pics from different angles would be a great help  :)

Why not go full MTo?!

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Just buy one (or more) of each and EDC them for some days.

 :tu: :tu:

 :D The best coparison of all. Its just even though it would only be an additional $30, I’ve got to prioritize what gets purchased first...... (although to me MT’s and SAK’s are priority #1  :D)
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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #7 on: August 03, 2018, 06:40:27 PM
Quote from: hiraethus on August 03, 2018, 10:01:57 AM
This thread should help: https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,71217.0.html

Specifically this post:
Quote from: FolderBeholder on April 09, 2018, 03:51:50 AM
Fieldmaster, Farmer, Cadet, Pioneer, Super Tinker, SwissChamp

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This is straight up my alley  :tu: Thanks for the help


And then there’s Pabs, with the best input of all     :rofl:
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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #8 on: August 03, 2018, 06:42:21 PM
Defintely get a Cadet!  :tu:

The Cadet is a great little knife and is super-thin. When I wore a tie, I often carried a Cadet in a pocket because it just disappears. The Pioneer is bulky by comparison.

Other ideas: Executive or Ambassador.

But the Cadet is a great SAK to have when thin is desired.
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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #9 on: August 03, 2018, 10:49:53 PM
I’m kind of at a dilemma... I pulled out the calipers, and the Pioneer is slightly thinner than my Sportsman. The Cadet is slightly thicker than the Sportsman liners.

I think I’ll go with the pioneer on a suspension clip, and pocket carry it when I want to go light. When carrying it for formal occasions, I’ll figure out a different method.

But the Cadet is super thin... Maybe I’ll buy the Pioneer, sell the Sportsman, and use the fundage for a Cadet. Like a true MTo member, I shall get both  :D
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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #10 on: August 03, 2018, 10:52:39 PM
Cadet.

I'm just sayin'.......

You will not regret it.
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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #11 on: August 03, 2018, 10:55:37 PM
Badger,

Are you old enough to remember Sugar Ray Leonard?

The Cadet is the Sugar Ray Leonard of SAK's: no weight, all punch.

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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #12 on: August 03, 2018, 10:56:06 PM
Cadet is indeed superslim...

Extremely classy in black too...
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Reply #13 on: August 03, 2018, 10:57:20 PM
You should know, Mechy.   :tu:
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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #14 on: August 03, 2018, 10:57:57 PM
Santa brought me one!

Will be my wedding day carry!
One day...
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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #15 on: August 03, 2018, 10:59:45 PM
You know.....that might be the perfect wedding suit knife!  :cheers:
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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #16 on: August 03, 2018, 10:59:58 PM
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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #17 on: August 03, 2018, 11:34:06 PM
Quote from: Nix on August 03, 2018, 10:52:39 PM
Cadet.

I'm just sayin'.......

You will not regret it.

Yeah, I honestly think the Cadet is better for me. I just really have a problem with the grass always being greener  :D

Quote from: Nix on August 03, 2018, 10:55:37 PM
Badger,

Are you old enough to remember Sugar Ray Leonard?

The Cadet is the Sugar Ray Leonard of SAK's: no weight, all punch.

(Image removed from quote.)

Thats a great analogy  :tu: That guy was really somethin’

Quote from: Mechanickal on August 03, 2018, 10:56:06 PM
Cadet is indeed superslim...

Extremely classy in black too...

That’s the color I’m going to get. Very clean when new, lots of character when worn down :tu:
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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #18 on: August 03, 2018, 11:50:00 PM
 :tu:
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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #19 on: August 04, 2018, 12:14:56 AM
If you do not need the openers and the awl, you could slim down to a Solo?
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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #20 on: August 04, 2018, 01:15:56 AM
Quote from: microbe on August 04, 2018, 12:14:56 AM
If you do not need the openers and the awl, you could slim down to a Solo?

No, I’d like the features of the two layers. Thanks for the idea, though :tu:
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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #21 on: August 04, 2018, 01:36:52 AM
Quote from: CallsignBadger on August 04, 2018, 01:15:56 AM
Quote from: microbe on August 04, 2018, 12:14:56 AM
If you do not need the openers and the awl, you could slim down to a Solo?

No, I’d like the features of the two layers. Thanks for the idea, though :tu:

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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #22 on: August 04, 2018, 05:04:57 AM
In my humble (:rofl:) opinion, the pioneer is the greatest pocket knife ever made.

That being said, it really comes down to what is more useful to you? Thinness vs comfort in use? Awl vs nail file?

Also one thing I found after edcing a cadet for about two years and then switching to the pioneer is that I prefer the equal end pattern of the pioneer for both looks and comfort.

Both knives are high quality, and my preferences aside, there isn't a right answer besides what's best for you
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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #23 on: August 04, 2018, 07:51:37 AM
Quote from: CallsignBadger on August 04, 2018, 01:15:56 AM
Quote from: microbe on August 04, 2018, 12:14:56 AM
If you do not need the openers and the awl, you could slim down to a Solo?

No, I’d like the features of the two layers. Thanks for the idea, though :tu:
The Cadet is great, but you might want to consider the alox Bantam.
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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #24 on: August 04, 2018, 08:51:28 PM
Or search for a vintage voyageur.  One of my favorites.
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Re: Pioneer and Cadet Thickness
Reply #25 on: August 04, 2018, 08:55:25 PM
I'd love me a Voyageur! :drool:
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