Fire Damage

fred2892 · **on:** August 15, 2018, 12:11:44 PM

Recently had a house fire. Here’s a couple of SAKs that suffered.

Is it likely the properties of the blades have been altered enough by the heat to have affected them?

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dkop1 · **Reply #1 on:** August 15, 2018, 12:17:00 PM

If the scales didn't completely cook away, there's a chance that it didn't get hot enough at the blade steel to ruin their original temper. Still, sorry for your loss of SAKs and damage to your home

I hope you and your family/housemates/pets/whomever are otherwise well!

fred2892 · **Reply #2 on:** August 15, 2018, 12:33:29 PM

Thanks, nobody was hurt and Boris the tortoise survived so it’s just a waiting game for the rebuild right now.
I am a complete amateur when it comes to SAKs and have only just joined the forum so please excuse any errors I make.
Is there a sticky or webpage anywhere so I can identify what models these were as it sounds so lame referring to “the small one”.
So anyway, I cleaned up the small one and fitted some new scales and it functions as it used to. I’m presuming if it was affected, it would have softened and not hardened any metal.

As you can see it is in ‘loved’ condition as it was my most used out of all my pocket knives. It also has the corkscrew, but the small corkscrew driver hasn’t been replaced yet.

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VICMAN · **Reply #3 on:** August 15, 2018, 12:56:18 PM

Quote from: fred2892 on August 15, 2018, 12:33:29 PM

Thanks, nobody was hurt and Boris the tortoise survived so it’s just a waiting game for the rebuild right now.
I am a complete amateur when it comes to SAKs and have only just joined the forum so please excuse any errors I make.
Is there a sticky or webpage anywhere so I can identify what models these were as it sounds so lame referring to “the small one”.
So anyway, I cleaned up the small one and fitted some new scales and it functions as it used to. I’m presuming if it was affected, it would have softened and not hardened any metal.

As you can see it is in ‘loved’ condition as it was my most used out of all my pocket knives.

Welcome to the forum fred!

Glad no one was hurt.

That small one cleaned up great.

Here is the URL for Sakwiki for information on Swiss Army Knives

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php

fred2892 · **Reply #4 on:** August 15, 2018, 01:26:26 PM

Thanks for the link, can’t find exact model but it is the same as 91mm compact but without the hook.
The second knife in the original pic is a 111mm Adventurer. It was gifted to me as a Danish Army issue knife, but I am sceptical of this as it had no military markings and I can’t find reference to Danish issue SAKs.

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zoidberg · **Reply #5 on:** August 15, 2018, 01:40:18 PM

Maybe an 91mm Golfer then? Welcome to the boards fred.

Don Pablo · **Reply #6 on:** August 15, 2018, 02:08:39 PM

Could be a 91mm Compact made before 1991?

After all, they only started producing the hook in 1991.
Welcome to MTO.

Wspeed · **Reply #7 on:** August 15, 2018, 02:18:57 PM

Hi fred2892 and welcome to

I am glad to hear no one got hurt
And good luck with the rebuild

Aloha · **Reply #8 on:** August 15, 2018, 02:46:46 PM

Good to hear no one was hurt. Sorry to hear about the fire regardless. About the temper on those 2 damaged SAKs, yes I believe they could very well effected.

fred2892 · **Reply #9 on:** August 15, 2018, 03:58:02 PM

Thanks for all the welcomes.
According to http://victorinox.metodi.me/91mmtools.php
It has a pre 91 corkscrew and pre 92 scissors so I think Don Pablo has nailed it as a pre 91 Compact.

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Mechanickal · **Reply #10 on:** August 15, 2018, 04:03:20 PM

A pre 1991 Compact IS a 91mm Golfer, like zoidberg said.

It was only when they added the hook they started calling it a Compact.

And welcome!!

fred2892 · **Reply #11 on:** August 15, 2018, 04:51:03 PM

Thanks for the correction, like an idiot I never even looked at the Golfer as I presumed it would have a divot lifter or a marker or at least something relating to golf.

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Ptisuisse · **Reply #12 on:** August 16, 2018, 10:19:42 AM

Quote from: fred2892 on August 15, 2018, 12:11:44 PM

Recently had a house fire. Here’s a couple of SAKs that suffered.
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Is it likely the properties of the blades have been altered enough by the heat to have affected them?

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Firmly sitted on my mechanical engineer training, I can assure you that the temper of your blades has not suffered.
To moderately change the properties, just to soften the temper, you need to go above 270° Celsius,
and that leaves a coloration on the steel, which is not the case.

By the way, it's a shame I live in Europe, because I have a lot of 111mm scales to give away.
Glad you are safe. Do not forget to lube your pivots with FDA approved lubricant.

Ptisuisse · **Reply #13 on:** August 16, 2018, 10:26:22 AM

The tip of your yellow knife could easily be put back in better shape on the back of a stoneware plate. Here is a climber I did. No special tools, just elbow grease and patience.

fred2892 · **Reply #14 on:** August 16, 2018, 10:43:04 AM

Thanks, it’s good to know the blades won’t be affected. I’ll have a go at improving the blade on the golfer as you suggest. I would never have thought to use a plate though, that’s a new one for me.
I am almost in Europe, I am in Norfolk, England.

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pfrsantos · **Reply #15 on:** August 16, 2018, 10:46:35 AM

Sorry to hear about your troubles, mate.

Welcome to MTo!

pfrsantos · **Reply #16 on:** August 16, 2018, 10:47:31 AM

Quote from: fred2892 on August 16, 2018, 10:43:04 AM

Quote from: Ptisuisse on August 16, 2018, 10:19:42 AM
Quote from: fred2892 on August 15, 2018, 12:11:44 PM
Recently had a house fire. Here’s a couple of SAKs that suffered.
(Image removed from quote.)
Is it likely the properties of the blades have been altered enough by the heat to have affected them?

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Firmly sitted on my mechanical engineer training, I can assure you that the temper of your blades has not suffered.
To moderately change the properties, just to soften the temper, you need to go above 270° Celsius,
and that leaves a coloration on the steel, which is not the case.

By the way, it's a shame I live in Europe, because I have a lot of 111mm scales to give away.
Glad you are safe. Do not forget to lube your pivots with FDA approved lubricant.

Thanks, it’s good to know the blades won’t be affected. I’ll have a go at improving the blade on the golfer as you suggest. I would never have thought to use a plate though, that’s a new one for me.
I am almost in Europe, I am in Norfolk, England.

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Mechanickal · **Reply #17 on:** August 16, 2018, 12:17:00 PM

Almost not in Europe

Wspeed · **Reply #18 on:** August 16, 2018, 12:45:10 PM

Quote from: Mechanickal on August 16, 2018, 12:17:00 PM

Almost not in Europe

Good one

pfrsantos · **Reply #19 on:** August 16, 2018, 12:47:16 PM

Schrodinger's european country...

Ptisuisse · **Reply #20 on:** August 16, 2018, 01:45:34 PM

Quote from: fred2892 on August 16, 2018, 10:43:04 AM

I am almost in Europe, I am in Norfolk, England.

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Ooooops ?! MTO being essentially an american/international forum,
I automatically assumed you were outside Europe.
Pardon my french

- love your fine example of british humor.
I could still afford postage to send you a couple of scales.
However, if your 111 is a slider lock, I do not have a spare slider.

"chin up ! "

Ptisuisse · **Reply #21 on:** August 16, 2018, 01:49:18 PM

Quote from: fred2892 on August 16, 2018, 10:43:04 AM

I’ll have a go at improving the blade on the golfer as you suggest.
I would never have thought to use a plate though, that’s a new one for me.

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With the correct "plate grit", it works wonders, once you get used to it. A knife remains perfectly usable with only 95% of its main blade.

Yadda · **Reply #22 on:** August 16, 2018, 01:56:45 PM

I am glad to hear Boris made it. Share a pic of Boris when you gat a chance. I suspect he has a harrowing fire story to tell.

fred2892 · **Reply #23 on:** August 16, 2018, 02:02:12 PM

Just had a quick try at grinding as you suggested. It’s getting there, a bit more profiling and a polish and it will be good as new.

Unfortunately the 111mm is a slide lock and it’s the slide that’s the tricky part to get hold of.

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Wspeed · **Reply #24 on:** August 16, 2018, 02:04:20 PM

Looking good Fred

pfrsantos · **Reply #25 on:** August 16, 2018, 02:05:54 PM

Quote from: Wspeed on August 16, 2018, 02:04:20 PM

Looking good Fred

+1

fred2892 · **Reply #26 on:** August 16, 2018, 02:10:16 PM

Here’s a picture of Boris in his indoor house. He was rescued by the fire brigade and after a vet check has suffered only slight damage to his right eye retina caused by the smoke. This is him in his indoor house where he is today, if the weather was better (it’s raining and cool today) he would be out in the garden eating weeds and attacking cats.

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