Quote from: Dutch_Tooler on September 22, 2018, 11:43:19 AMCare to give more details on the tool lock/release mechanism? That would interest me a lot. The renderings and drawing suggest a conventional PST-like passive spring-type detent and not an active lock, but I'm sure not all details of the actual mechanism are shown here.Whatever the mechanism is that you guys came up with, it seems a far from trivial task to make this work reliably and still solid and usable enough, assuming it is not based on simply withdrawing a tool pivot pin like with all the other replaceable tools on the market. Don't be afraid to show... Your provisional patent should be sufficient proof against copying... The provisional patent gives me filing date for coverage for 12 months with PCT and EPO This [simple] animation shows the basic functionality of the pivot system. The only thing not shown is the bottom of the handle bending as the tools are pivoting, in real life the metal is applying pressure against the tools (as well as locking the tools when they are extended). This force keeps the tools stable and in place, while being rotating through angles you might think would be unstable.https://youtu.be/2m2Y_WowRwA
Care to give more details on the tool lock/release mechanism? That would interest me a lot. The renderings and drawing suggest a conventional PST-like passive spring-type detent and not an active lock, but I'm sure not all details of the actual mechanism are shown here.Whatever the mechanism is that you guys came up with, it seems a far from trivial task to make this work reliably and still solid and usable enough, assuming it is not based on simply withdrawing a tool pivot pin like with all the other replaceable tools on the market. Don't be afraid to show... Your provisional patent should be sufficient proof against copying...
Quote from: GOAT Tools on September 24, 2018, 04:52:06 AMGOAT = Gentlemen Of All Trades. Because our MT was designed from the start to be modular, we are looking forward to customers of varying professions, backgrounds, and lifestyles customizing it up as it suits them.I like that name for sure after it’s explanation!
GOAT = Gentlemen Of All Trades. Because our MT was designed from the start to be modular, we are looking forward to customers of varying professions, backgrounds, and lifestyles customizing it up as it suits them.
Quote from: microbe on September 23, 2018, 11:58:12 PMIt does not look like a finished product at all. More of a prototype stage to test the interchangeable tools. The engineering may be solid, but the product design is sub par, and I seriously question how you are going to market a tool named Goat? Who on earth came up with that? The concept is very good, but for now it is back to the drawing board for me.You are correct, it is in the prototype stage. As we stated in the original post we are transitioning from 3D printed to metal prototypes to fine tune the fit, function, and test durability. GOAT = Gentlemen Of All Trades. Because our MT was designed from the start to be modular, we are looking forward to customers of varying professions, backgrounds, and lifestyles customizing it up as it suits them.
It does not look like a finished product at all. More of a prototype stage to test the interchangeable tools. The engineering may be solid, but the product design is sub par, and I seriously question how you are going to market a tool named Goat? Who on earth came up with that? The concept is very good, but for now it is back to the drawing board for me.
Thanks very much for the explanation, this makes it rather clear what you intend to do. I've given it some thought. Kudos for the simple design - however I feel I have to draw your attention to the following issues that I see with this mechanism:1. The tools do not actively lock in the extended state, it seems. As I surmised, it is more like a sprung detent mechanism (the spring opening is forced over the implement's lock stud by the bias of the spring, but moving the tool into the closing position makes the spring lift off the stud). Have you considered the effect of wear on the interacting surfaces of the spring opening and the studs? (Apart from the spring possibly weakening over time?) Also, it seems that adverse forces on an extended implement might easily cause it to close on a user's hand (ouch!), at least (much) more so than e.g. LM's or Vic's or SOG's active locking systems.2. Have you considered the fact that the mechanism makes it very difficult to apply a 90°-opened locked position, which would be handy for Phillips or flat blade drivers or the bit driver? Applying a force almost, but not quite, in line with the implement opened at 90° might cause it to slip off the pivot.Edit: 3. A half tang is less than half as strong as a full one...4. Wear on matching pivot and tang surfaces is quite critical, I think. To make this work you'd need to use a very hard steel... hard steel is brittle... and then see previous point.
Not for women then?
Quote from: Dutch_Tooler on September 24, 2018, 08:57:32 AMThanks very much for the explanation, this makes it rather clear what you intend to do. I've given it some thought. Kudos for the simple design - however I feel I have to draw your attention to the following issues that I see with this mechanism:1. The tools do not actively lock in the extended state, it seems. As I surmised, it is more like a sprung detent mechanism (the spring opening is forced over the implement's lock stud by the bias of the spring, but moving the tool into the closing position makes the spring lift off the stud). Have you considered the effect of wear on the interacting surfaces of the spring opening and the studs? (Apart from the spring possibly weakening over time?) Also, it seems that adverse forces on an extended implement might easily cause it to close on a user's hand (ouch!), at least (much) more so than e.g. LM's or Vic's or SOG's active locking systems.2. Have you considered the fact that the mechanism makes it very difficult to apply a 90°-opened locked position, which would be handy for Phillips or flat blade drivers or the bit driver? Applying a force almost, but not quite, in line with the implement opened at 90° might cause it to slip off the pivot.Edit: 3. A half tang is less than half as strong as a full one...4. Wear on matching pivot and tang surfaces is quite critical, I think. To make this work you'd need to use a very hard steel... hard steel is brittle... and then see previous point. Thank you for taking the time to share your concerns! We greatly appreciate the insight we are gathering from people beyond ourselves in the MT world.1. It seems my explanation and renderings are not properly representing the MT. The tools do lock (the cutouts in the tools fit into the 'spring' section of the handle once fully extended, it is not just spring tension holding them open), requiring the locking arm to be slightly depressed, the locking arm presses the spring down & out of the tool void, thus allowing the tool to be refolded. It is a very similar locking mechanism to Schrade ST1 MT. We will be able to provide real life examples once we get the prototypes back from machining.2. We will be testing the use of the tools at 90 degrees, you are correct that it might retain less stability. We have gone through dozens of iterations on the pivot design to give it the most security when in use, and still maintain the ability to quickly swap tools. The current design has been our best balance.3 & 4. We are making the prototypes in varying materials & heat treatments to find out what combination will provide the best possible quality and life of the tool.Thank you all again for your input! I'm looking forward to sharing our progress with you all as we move closer to a final product!
Quote from: GOAT Tools on September 24, 2018, 04:52:06 AMGOAT = Gentlemen Of All Trades. Because our MT was designed from the start to be modular, we are looking forward to customers of varying professions, backgrounds, and lifestyles customizing it up as it suits them.Not for women then?
Quote from: Syncop8r on September 24, 2018, 09:50:55 PMQuote from: GOAT Tools on September 24, 2018, 04:52:06 AMGOAT = Gentlemen Of All Trades. Because our MT was designed from the start to be modular, we are looking forward to customers of varying professions, backgrounds, and lifestyles customizing it up as it suits them.Not for women then? Nor despicable men
Quote from: Aloha007 on September 25, 2018, 03:07:42 PMQuote from: Syncop8r on September 24, 2018, 09:50:55 PMQuote from: GOAT Tools on September 24, 2018, 04:52:06 AMGOAT = Gentlemen Of All Trades. Because our MT was designed from the start to be modular, we are looking forward to customers of varying professions, backgrounds, and lifestyles customizing it up as it suits them.Not for women then? Nor despicable men I have been discriminated against yet again.
Wow just discovered you guys. Is my search for the GOAT (Greatest Of All Time) coming to an end?It sounds like ya'll are open to suggestions for developing stuff, from what I've read. So thought I'd throw some thoughts out there:1. Traditionally, I think the idea with multi-tools is that they all fit very pretty inside the rectangle, and that maybe be the most popular case, but a lot of guys that belt carry on the job really don't care if you have couple of bigger thumb loops sticking out. Spyderco is a perfect example of a company that basically lives off the fact that they offer big thumb loops that some people think are ugly.2. On that same note, I can really see a good Plier style Multi-tool w/ an EMT style pair of shears that folds out. But of course when this goes in your nylon or kydex holster that thumb loop loop for the shears would bulge out.3. I saw that you were making a rifleman's specific multi-tool. So I'm assuming those tools will be available for the customs. I hope a good gun-smith is consulted about these tools. Leatherman makes a multi-tool like this, and i really think that their disassembly punch should be should made of brass and then it could have doubled as a carbon scraper (with a design I see in my head) and had many other uses when working the gun, but again that would be good for brain storming with a gun smith, and I really can see how it too could have been used then for the carbon scraper and many other uses as well.$.Thanks for making them so we can hammer on them!!!!!!
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Just in case ya'll are STILL looking for tools to be inspired by. Aside from what I've already seen I just thought I would make a list of all the coolest multi-tool tools I've ever seen for you.
Any news/update I want one
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