New High for a Black Beauty?

maxt · **Reply #30 on:** October 12, 2018, 09:20:37 PM

I participated yesterday in his biddings, won some of the first batch, but not this '87 dated. I stopped at 900$ because I understood it was not 'right' auction. The same feeling was about staghorn Champ.

Accoding to the seller, the first Black Beauty of this pair was sold too cheap couple of weeks ago. This one '87 had been offered for 850$ but as nobody (myself included) finally bought it he decided to go for eBay.

CeHo · **Reply #31 on:** October 12, 2018, 09:32:46 PM

Hey maxt,

what do you think is the value of the staghorn Champ?

maxt · **Reply #32 on:** October 12, 2018, 09:41:23 PM

I would pay 400-450$ for the Champion (the one with metal-headed tweezers). The newer SwissChamp (with hook but without the tweezers\toothpick) ~350$.

CeHo · **Reply #33 on:** October 12, 2018, 09:47:13 PM

Thank you very much for your information- it’s hard to get some value informations...

Borg · **Reply #34 on:** October 12, 2018, 10:02:42 PM

Really love that Champ, does someone know if its peened on the antler or standard mount with fake pins glued in?

maxt · **Reply #35 on:** October 12, 2018, 10:08:19 PM

Quote from: CeHo on October 12, 2018, 09:47:13 PM

it’s hard to get some value informations...

This is my opinion only, I can confirm it if offered these SAKs for purchase.
The price that the stagHorn Champion reached yesterday IMO is very high. A staghorn Victorinox Duo Set may cost this amount of money.

CeHo · **Reply #36 on:** October 12, 2018, 10:12:30 PM

EMZ · **Reply #37 on:** October 13, 2018, 11:01:55 AM

If someone wants to pay $ 1200 for a pocket knife, I can't blame him. It's his money!
There are people who spend more easily 1200 bucks for a knife -or 10 million for a luxury yacht-, than I would spend 3 dollar for a milk shake. That's the way it is. I have no problem with it.
The only thing I find annoying is that I don't have a big box of these knives!

About shill bidding on Ebay: You can not bid on your own items, not even with a different account, from the same IP-address.

maxt · **Reply #38 on:** October 13, 2018, 05:01:11 PM

I don't think that having different IPs and accounts is a problem these days.
I know some high-rated sellers not related to SAKs who sometimes inflate the price without actual sale for various reasons.
E.g. a seller is negotiating a package deal that includes an expensive item, so he makes a fake sale to show the real customer 'new record high' and make the customer agree on a lower than record final price. Or, he want to find the top offer from the auction and after the auction is ended he offers the underbidder to buy the auctioned item due to 'not paying customer'. The defaulting account in such case is a disposable one, and the real account is a top rated seller with a lot of sales so the number of cases of his second-chance offers is minimal compared to the actual sales.

It these 2 particular cases, staghorn Champ and '87 I know nothing and I have no reason to claim anything. It is just my 25 years experience in antiques dealing and real-life auctions told me to stay away from further bidding.

glenfiddich1983 · **Reply #39 on:** October 13, 2018, 06:03:07 PM

Quote from: EMZ on October 13, 2018, 11:01:55 AM

About shill bidding on Ebay: You can not bid on your own items, not even with a different account, from the same IP-address.

That’s probably very easy to bypass with something like a VPN connection or proxy server.

Joe58 · **Reply #40 on:** October 14, 2018, 02:56:27 AM

The past few years, it really does seem as though even “generic” alox knives, such as an alox minichamp on eBay for $135, have really joined the ranks of precious metals. Stuff costs as much as gold.

For those investing in those high priced models, they really seem to be banking in those holding their value down the road.

I’ve lusted after a black beauty for years now, but I’d sure want to carry it. And mod it into an electrician. Lol.

I can’t even seem to find a Swiss Railroad alox I can afford. Sigh.

I’m curious if some of the less than honest vendors might be bumping up their own auctions? I seem to recall this can happen.

gregozedobe · **Reply #41 on:** October 14, 2018, 03:48:47 AM

Quote from: maxt on October 13, 2018, 05:01:11 PM

I don't think that having different IPs and accounts is a problem these days.
I know some high-rated sellers not related to SAKs who sometimes inflate the price without actual sale for various reasons.
E.g. a seller is negotiating a package deal that includes an expensive item, so he makes a fake sale to show the real customer 'new record high' and make the customer agree on a lower than record final price. Or, he want to find the top offer from the auction and after the auction is ended he offers the underbidder to buy the auctioned item due to 'not paying customer'. The defaulting account in such case is a disposable one, and the real account is a top rated seller with a lot of sales so the number of cases of his second-chance offers is minimal compared to the actual sales.

It these 2 particular cases, staghorn Champ and '87 I know nothing and I have no reason to claim anything. It is just my 25 years experience in antiques dealing and real-life auctions told me to stay away from further bidding.

I have also noticed some "odd" bidding patterns on ebay on some higher value items I was interested in. Like you, if something seems strange I don't bid further.

G-Dizzle · **Reply #42 on:** October 14, 2018, 06:12:39 AM

Would reporting the seller lead to anything? Or just a waste of time?

EMZ · **Reply #43 on:** October 14, 2018, 02:13:26 PM

Quote from: gdoolittle on October 14, 2018, 06:12:39 AM

Would reporting the seller lead to anything? Or just a waste of time?

You already gave the answer.
Problem is that you have to PROOF someone else was cheating.
And let us be fair: Ebay is only interested in selling items at the highest price possible, so they can get higher fees. They probably don't give a sh..t about sellers which are cheating, but they have to pretend they do.

Aloha · **Reply #44 on:** October 14, 2018, 04:16:10 PM

I hope for the buyers sake the auction was legit and no shill bidding was employed. That said, I've think bidding can get out of hand. When you've got a couple highly motivated people with money the price can escalate. There's also the excitement factor for some. Its a lovely knife and I sure hope the new owner is super stoked.

Rapidray · **Reply #45 on:** October 14, 2018, 04:21:37 PM

Quote from: Aloha007 on October 14, 2018, 04:16:10 PM

I hope for the buyers sake the auction was legit and no shill bidding was employed. That said, I've think bidding can get out of hand. When you've got a couple highly motivated people with money the price can escalate. There's also the excitement factor for some. Its a lovely knife and I sure hope the new owner is super stoked.

Very true...2 people with money and one item...things can get out of hand very fast. I saw it all the time at the auto auction I worked for.

maxt · **Reply #46 on:** October 14, 2018, 06:59:05 PM

Here is the screenshot of actual bids on both items (I have phtotoshopped out my nick).

ulli · **Reply #47 on:** October 20, 2018, 06:51:10 PM

Could just buy 2 of those knives, NIB, $100 each.

Sometimes you just have to wait for good opportunities...

Don Pablo · **Reply #48 on:** October 20, 2018, 07:10:40 PM

Amazing!

glenfiddich1983 · **Reply #49 on:** October 20, 2018, 07:14:43 PM

Quote from: ulli on October 20, 2018, 06:51:10 PM

Could just buy 2 of those knives, NIB, $100 each.

Sometimes you just have to wait for good opportunities...

How?
Where?

CeHo · **Reply #50 on:** October 20, 2018, 07:33:10 PM

Nice ulli

Rapidray · **Reply #51 on:** October 20, 2018, 07:38:54 PM

Quote from: ulli on October 20, 2018, 06:51:10 PM

Could just buy 2 of those knives, NIB, $100 each.

Sometimes you just have to wait for good opportunities...

Unbelievable!
Enjoy!

Aloha · **Reply #52 on:** October 20, 2018, 08:54:59 PM

Absolutely ULLI. Big congrats to you.

Myron · **Reply #53 on:** October 21, 2018, 05:29:13 AM

Yes, would love to know where and when. Congrats on this great pickup.

ulli · **Reply #54 on:** October 21, 2018, 08:14:21 AM

Quote from: Myron on October 21, 2018, 05:29:13 AM

Yes, would love to know where and when. Congrats on this great pickup.

As I said, most important thing is: be patient, see the opportunity and when its there, don`t hesitate but take it. And also very important: treat the people well, be gentle, be nice. I have such opportunities maybe once or twice a year. And its not about money. Sometimes, its more about the good feeling for both parties. And often, there`s a long personal history behind. This time, the seller was really happy and me as well. I offered him a bigger amount, but he refused. Good for me and also for every correct person is: there are many dealers and collectors out there, who treat their customers bad. Some just want to make big business, want to buy the stuff as cheap as possible just to put it on auction sites for big money. Others complain constantly after the deal, and so on. And at the end remains a bad feeling. To prevent that is often more important than the amount of money. So just make sure, everybody is happy and a good feeling remains after the deal.

glenfiddich1983 · **Reply #55 on:** October 21, 2018, 09:08:41 AM

Quote from: ulli on October 21, 2018, 08:14:21 AM

Quote from: Myron on October 21, 2018, 05:29:13 AM
Yes, would love to know where and when. Congrats on this great pickup.

As I said, most important thing is: be patient, see the opportunity and when its there, don`t hesitate but take it. And also very important: treat the people well, be gentle, be nice. I have such opportunities maybe once or twice a year. And its not about money. Sometimes, its more about the good feeling for both parties. And often, there`s a long personal history behind. This time, the seller was really happy and me as well. I offered him a bigger amount, but he refused. Good for me and also for every correct person is: there are many dealers and collectors out there, who treat their customers bad. Some just want to make big business, want to buy the stuff as cheap as possible just to put it on auction sites for big money. Others complain constantly after the deal, and so on. And at the end remains a bad feeling. To prevent that is often more important than the amount of money. So just make sure, everybody is happy and a good feeling remains after the deal.

maxt · **Reply #56 on:** October 21, 2018, 06:12:59 PM

Quote from: ulli on October 21, 2018, 08:14:21 AM

As I said, most important thing is:

Breifly speaking: you are a nice person. And also a lucky one

CeHo · **Reply #57 on:** October 22, 2018, 08:46:27 AM

Yes you’re right ulli. I make the same experience - I saw a really rare tool in the collection of a collector... I asked him, if he want to sell the item... he said no and i excepted it. After a couple of months he contacted me. I asked him why he contacted me and why he wanted to sell the tool. He said he contacted me because I didn’t think about making money...

CeHo · **Reply #58 on:** October 26, 2018, 09:06:38 PM

Another auction with high price:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Victorinox-WALTHER-108mm-rare-vintage-knife-Taschenmesser-Safari-like-Mauser/173600687513?hash=item286b684599%3Ag%3A1x8AAOSwO2hbzLFw&LH_Auction=1

Rapidray · **Reply #59 on:** October 27, 2018, 12:25:29 AM

That’s $862.55 on our side of the pond!

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