Would like to get my hands on a Knipex, but they are a little on the pricey side for me at the moment. I have a Belzer, it is the tongue and groove type, I find it a little stiff. I would like to get hold of a pin pivot type that is box jointed and a ChannelLock, but the last one is mainly for the nice blue handles! Sorry for resurrecting this thread but I find this type of plier really interesting!