I like that (FALSE) story that due to everybody being armed the Wild West was a civilized place
Quote from: Gerhard Gerber on November 02, 2018, 11:45:37 AMI like that (FALSE) story that due to everybody being armed the Wild West was a civilized placeThe 'Wild West' was not a civilized place, but the time frame, societal views and leniency towards 'offenses' were entirely different than what today's politically correct society tolerates. If you think about one trip, just one, to WalMart....how many offenses would you see that would have ended up with a youngster getting their butts whipped or someone shot for talking to another in such a rude or offensive fashion?
Are modern firearms sturdy enough to hammer stuff with?
I don't see modern firearms as multitools, mostly because they really only do one thing, and that is accelerating a scrap of lead to supersonic speeds and ejecting them out one end. That is a pretty singular function, although as you pointed out, that function can have multiple applications, from offense, to defense to putting food on the table. Those don't seem like functions to me, even though they are widely varied.I myself am an appreciator of things that go bang, and I am not against having firearms discussions here. I enjoy firearms, I enjoy shooting them and I have a few myself, which are documented in other threads here.The problem we see (thankfully very occasionally) is the RTKBA discussions as this is a very international forum, and people forget that there's a whole planet full of people with very different cultures and opinions regarding firearms, and their use, and occasionally people forget to respect that.Personally, if there was a CCW available in Canada I would get it, although I likely wouldn't carry a firearm as part of my EDC, partially because there's really very little reason for it in Canada, and partially because I don't want that level of responsibility at all times. I would have it so that I could decide when I wanted to have it, and when I needed it, and maybe keep one locked in the car, but not on my person.I recall a story from a friend of mine in Michigan who has a CCW that really drives the responsibility issue home, and it wasn't even him that was the problem. He was in a mall and some kids were chasing each other about in a store. Invariably one tripped and fell, and, as people do, he reached out to try and grab something to keep him from falling. Unfortunately what he grabbed was the handle of my friend's pistol under his shirt. Now, we can argue till the cows come home over whether it was his fault for letting the kids get that close, or the parent's fault for not minding their kids etc, but regardless of who is to blame for what, that could have been a very bad situation, where "fault" is very little comfort. My friend immediately checked the securing of his weapon and made sure the kid was ok, as the kid had turned almost completely white when he realized what had happened. This friend, BTW, is a Sheriff, and not just some gun toting lunatic who just liked to carry firearms in public, and this could have happened just as easily to a uniformed officer carrying openly. Still, that's probably the biggest reason I wouldn't choose to EDC a pistol, at least not all the time. When I felt it necessary or desirable I absolutely would though- I have been on a few jobs in my time where I am pretty sure I'd have been more comfortable with some instant backup. There was this one evening where I was going out to the outskirts of an industrial park, right along a vast wooded area to cost some people a lot of money, time and effort.... and I was the only one going.... In Canada there are not many situations where one would require a firearm for personal defense, although one such [urlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moncton_shooting]incident happened a few years ago in a city called Moncton[/url]. Some idiot walked up to a police cruiser parked on the street and killed two police officers as they sat there. By the time he was caught the next day he had shot three more, killing a third and wounding two others. The worst part of it was that the shooter was hiding in yards, and people were taking pictures of him and tweeting them. If any one of those people had a firearm handy when they saw him, they could have either covered him from a bedroom window until police arrived, or, if necessary, put a much needed hole in him.But thankfully those situations are rare, and that's why I don't feel like I need to carry a pistol everywhere, I think I would just like to make my own choice. Def
It’s like prying with a blade!Only a few blades are designed for prying.
I don't now, Homer managed to use his to turn out lights, turn off the TV and open bottles. That sounds pretty multi-functional to me.Def
Quote from: Grant Lamontagne on November 02, 2018, 04:18:37 PMI don't now, Homer managed to use his to turn out lights, turn off the TV and open bottles. That sounds pretty multi-functional to me.DefBut could be use it to turn on the lights, tv and close bottles?
Not going to comment much except to say I find myself carrying more & more as our country seems to be going headlong into a state of anarchy ..............I haz a sad..........
I am well aware of the various holsters and retention methods, and am trained in firearm retention. It was part of my intensive security and close quarters combat training I got when I worked for a nuclear and medical research and development company back in the late 90's. The Uncle Mike's triple retention holster was the cream of the crop back then, and I am sure that the designs have only gotten better since then. The cool thing was, we trained full contact (blue guns of course) with people that could identify the holster and knew how to draw the firearm from it, so we learned never to rely on built in retention.Man those days were a lot of fun... and they hurt like hell, but it was worth it! That was also where I started working with dogs and a lot of other fun toys.One incident I was involved in had me riding on the outside of a transport truck as it was heading towards the highway. The driver had threatened to run me over, and had attacked me with a tire iron long before the police could arrive. The funny thing is, one might immediately think about going straight to a firearm, but it would have been the last thing on my mind in that situation. Mind you, I am a lot older now, and not in nearly the shape I was in then, so maybe I might consider it nowadays instead of going toe to toe with a guy much larger than me, who was swinging a steel pipe over his head! I remember around that time spending a lot of time working with all manner of close quarters combat stuff, from knives to various batons (PR-24 side handle, Rapid Rotation baton, ASP, Winchester expandable baton) to tazers and stun guns, pepper spray... ,the list goes on. We also did firearms training, although at the time we did not carry firearms on duty, although that was in the works, and we did have long guns (specifically shotguns) available for emergency use. We also spent a lot of time reviewing tactical situations ad training films, and we often did knife on gun training, which really drove home how important it is to rely on yourself more than your firearm. A film by Calibre Press called Surviving Edged Weapons shows actual testing and situation recreations of police officers that have encountered situations where they were faced with knife weilding assailants, and let me tell you, more often than not the officer did not are well.Transitioning that concept to civilian use was really quite fascinating, since it points out that most situations in which your firearm is going to be beneficial to you are the kinds of situations in which the threat is far enough away that you are able to avoid it entirely.For example, the LA County Sheriff's office has established that in order to safely counter a knife with a gun, the officer requires a minimum of 21 feet of distance, and, even in that situation, the officer must be running backwards in an arc. Only then do they have the necessary time to draw, aim and fire two rounds, center of mass.The Mythbusters tested this theory and came to a similar conclusion.A police officer usually will not have the option of using that 21 feet to turn and run like hell, while a civilian does, and let me tell you, that is a much better plan than trying to get into a gun battle with someone intending to cause you harm. At 21 feet you should be able to recognize the potential threat and cross the street, get in your car or just turn around and walk the other way.This is not a comment meant to discourage CCW. Just the opposite in fact- I would encourage anyone to take proper training and get their CCW if available. While it doesn't make the news terribly often, there are tens f thousands of hours of footage from gas stations and convenience stores that show how someone with a CCW can make a big difference. I just think that people need training to know when and where is appropriate to use a firearm, and, more importantly, when not to.Def
Quote from: Butch on November 02, 2018, 07:19:57 PMNot going to comment much except to say I find myself carrying more & more as our country seems to be going headlong into a state of anarchy ..............I haz a sad.......... What is your carry piece?
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