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Re: The parts exchangeability thread
Reply #30 on: November 07, 2018, 04:19:17 PM
O.k. this is absolutely tedious at best. I noticed from Sam's photo, the tool profiles are identical and I checked the Flik saw and noticed the bolt end of the pivot would be fine against the saw in the MP600. I needed to take up the gap so it would lock perfectly.  I started with a hard steel lock washer. I cut a section out to fit around the Gerber mp600 tool pin. Used little vise-grips to hold the wadher in place while I ground 2/3 of its' mass off, rotating it in the grips a hit at a time. I made sure it was uniform all the way around. Then I pressed it into the Flik saw pivot and used a rotary file to smooth it out and make sure the 600 pin would move properly inside. Put a dab super glue to make sure it would never shift and voila, the Flik saw fit perfectly into the MP600 with no further modification.
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Re: The parts exchangeability thread
Reply #31 on: November 07, 2018, 04:20:07 PM
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Re: The parts exchangeability thread
Reply #32 on: November 07, 2018, 04:47:06 PM
 :salute:That's a clever but shag way to make a bushing to fit! I have done equal stupid stuffs myself..  :like: things we do to make things work. Another  *High Five*!

Many times I envy those that have access to CnC, Mills, welding equipments and such.. Like Diresta's setups.  It's more difficult for us, but that's when we put on the thinking cap and start doing smurfy things to work around challenges.  :cheers:
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Re: The parts exchangeability thread
Reply #33 on: November 07, 2018, 05:51:23 PM
Indeed. My last job had a mini lathe, among other machinist gear. Oh I miss that. I do feel the makeshift bushing I made will last as long as the tool, so I'm happy. But, you're right, some serious machinist tools would make it SOOOOO much easier. I spent 45 minutes getting the thing perfect. I think it could have been done on a lathe in a few minutes. I did bump my knuckle on the grinding wheel though(nothing bad).  :facepalm:

We practice our mechanical creativity doing things the hard way. :cheers:

Edit: oh yes. Forgot. *Gives high five*. :)
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Re: The parts exchangeability thread
Reply #34 on: November 10, 2018, 06:25:00 AM
Quote from: gerleatherberman on November 07, 2018, 04:19:17 PM
O.k. this is absolutely tedious at best. I noticed from Sam's photo, the tool profiles are identical and I checked the Flik saw and noticed the bolt end of the pivot would be fine against the saw in the MP600. I needed to take up the gap so it would lock perfectly.  I started with a hard steel lock washer. I cut a section out to fit around the Gerber mp600 tool pin. Used little vise-grips to hold the wadher in place while I ground 2/3 of its' mass off, rotating it in the grips a hit at a time. I made sure it was uniform all the way around. Then I pressed it into the Flik saw pivot and used a rotary file to smooth it out and make sure the 600 pin would move properly inside. Put a dab super glue to make sure it would never shift and voila, the Flik saw fit perfectly into the MP600 with no further modification.
I don't recommend this mod to the faint of heart. Here are some photos to show what I am rambling about. Photos 1-4.

Small update. The arch of the saw back was sticking out of the 600 handle a tad bit(causing a new pinch area) and the lock didn't pull the saw in very well. Two areas needed addressing. 1) the back of the saw needed to be ground down 3mm-4mm and reprofiled to be more narrow. 2) the tang "bump" needed to be ground down 0.5mm or so to match the tang "bumps" of the other 600 tools. After the reshaping, the Flik saw is perfect in the MP600.
First photo shows the areas to be ground off colored black. Second photo is after the grinding and polishing were done. For anyone new to modding, the polishing of the tang "bump" ensures it doesn't damage the saf-t-lock plate. :)
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Re: The parts exchangeability thread
Reply #35 on: November 10, 2018, 06:56:14 AM
That's a very nice and thick saw! It's funny how the companies comes out with new stuffs but people keep going back to the old goodies. ie. Mp400/600 series.  :like:
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Re: The parts exchangeability thread
Reply #36 on: November 10, 2018, 08:27:59 AM
Indeed it is funny.  :cheers:

The MP is just the most reliable MT Gerber has ever built. Maybe the most reliable anyone has ever built.  :think:
The mod potential is crazy good and doesn't require machining tools. So that is a big reason too.

One last use of that poor Flik. I have always been agitated that Gerber only has a #2 phillips on the 400/600. Well, with some minor grinding, I have swapped the lanyard for the #1 Phillips on the Flik. This 600 now has FIVE screw drivers. Sm. Flat, Med. Flat, Lg. Flat, #2 Phillips, and #1 Phillips. Wood Saw, double-sided file, plain blade, and serrated blade. I will eventually replace the plain blade with scissors (when I can find some, as the flik scissors would require me to make two more bushings and grind a thumb pad opening in the 600 handle (I want to retain original look/feel of this particular tool). I may grind the Flik can opener into a reamer/awl at somw point too.
The Flik Small tools(the pivots are small inside and larger outside the frame) have an identical pivot hole as the 600. Only modding was to remove the tang bump closest to the driver head.

This tool is being readied to replace my 'non-carbide head' BN600 soon, as the old one is just kind of worn out. If I can find a non-carbide-cutter BN plier head, that will be swapped too.
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Re: The parts exchangeability thread
Reply #37 on: November 10, 2018, 11:47:22 AM
 :like: always good to see more philips in a MT. Btw do u need to make a bushing also or the pivot happen to be the same? I have not tore down the flik's internals yet.
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Re: The parts exchangeability thread
Reply #38 on: November 10, 2018, 11:51:40 AM
More OG goodness.

Supertool's main blade in a Wave. Good amount of tang material to play around with. I like the blade shape. No more oho. Does this makes it legal for some places' weird-ish knife laws?  :think:
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Re: The parts exchangeability thread
Reply #39 on: November 10, 2018, 01:39:17 PM
Quote from: Sam Lim on November 10, 2018, 11:47:22 AM
:like: always good to see more philips in a MT. Btw do u need to make a bushing also or the pivot happen to be the same? I have not tore down the flik's internals yet.
The four little tools in the flik have identical pivot hole sizes to MP tools. The inner tools pivot on a captive nut(that the outside tool pivot screws are mounted with) the size of the MP pivot. If you hav any issues removing the inner tool "cluster", let me know. There is a small chrome "retention" clip that has to be removed to take the black platic thing out if the handle. After that, the cluster drops out and you can push out the captive bolt out of the cluster to remove the tools. You also get some more "anti-clump" washers that fit the MPs. :)
Quote from: Sam Lim on November 10, 2018, 11:51:40 AM
More OG goodness.

Supertool's main blade in a Wave. Good amount of tang material to play around with. I like the blade shape. No more oho. Does this makes it legal for some places' weird-ish knife laws?  :think:

Good job. The ST blade is a winner of a blade. :like:
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Re: The parts exchangeability thread
Reply #40 on: November 10, 2018, 05:09:32 PM
Quote from: Sam Lim on November 10, 2018, 11:51:40 AM
More OG goodness.

Supertool's main blade in a Wave. Good amount of tang material to play around with. I like the blade shape. No more oho. Does this makes it legal for some places' weird-ish knife laws?  :think:
That would make it street legal in Germany, for instance (provided you did the same to the serrated blade if present).

Nicely done!
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Re: The parts exchangeability thread
Reply #41 on: November 10, 2018, 05:11:46 PM
Quote from: gerleatherberman on November 10, 2018, 08:27:59 AM
Indeed it is funny.  :cheers:

The MP is just the most reliable MT Gerber has ever built. Maybe the most reliable anyone has ever built.  :think:
The mod potential is crazy good and doesn't require machining tools. So that is a big reason too.

One last use of that poor Flik. I have always been agitated that Gerber only has a #2 phillips on the 400/600. Well, with some minor grinding, I have swapped the lanyard for the #1 Phillips on the Flik. This 600 now has FIVE screw drivers. Sm. Flat, Med. Flat, Lg. Flat, #2 Phillips, and #1 Phillips. Wood Saw, double-sided file, plain blade, and serrated blade. I will eventually replace the plain blade with scissors (when I can find some, as the flik scissors would require me to make two more bushings and grind a thumb pad opening in the 600 handle (I want to retain original look/feel of this particular tool). I may grind the Flik can opener into a reamer/awl at somw point too.
The Flik Small tools(the pivots are small inside and larger outside the frame) have an identical pivot hole as the 600. Only modding was to remove the tang bump closest to the driver head.

This tool is being readied to replace my 'non-carbide head' BN600 soon, as the old one is just kind of worn out. If I can find a non-carbide-cutter BN plier head, that will be swapped too.

 :like:
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Re: The parts exchangeability thread
Reply #42 on: November 10, 2018, 05:17:36 PM
Quote from: Dutch_Tooler on November 10, 2018, 05:09:32 PM
Quote from: Sam Lim on November 10, 2018, 11:51:40 AM
More OG goodness.

Supertool's main blade in a Wave. Good amount of tang material to play around with. I like the blade shape. No more oho. Does this makes it legal for some places' weird-ish knife laws?  :think:
That would make it street legal in Germany, for instance (provided you did the same to the serrated blade if present).

Nicely done!
If the blade still locks than it’s not legal in the UK ???
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Re: The parts exchangeability thread
Reply #43 on: November 11, 2018, 04:32:21 PM
PST's internal tools will fit into a wave/charge/Zytel/rebar series. With some re-profiling of course. There's enough material to play around with. Prefers the OG drivers as they are more streamlined and centre orientated.



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Reply #44 on: November 11, 2018, 04:38:14 PM
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Re: The parts exchangeability thread
Reply #45 on: November 11, 2018, 09:39:38 PM
Quote from: Sam Lim on November 11, 2018, 04:32:21 PM
PST's internal tools will fit into a wave/charge/Zytel/rebar series. With some re-profiling of course. There's enough material to play around with. Prefers the OG drivers as they are more streamlined and centre orientated.

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Reply #46 on: January 23, 2021, 04:19:22 PM
I had a Charge ALX with a broken plier head that's been sitting waiting for some work.  I bought it broke with the intention of doing a few mods to it.  Well yesterday I finally got around to removing the plier head and replacing it with a Kick plier head.  Straight swap no issues.  I now want to remove the can opener and add ???? 

I'm not sure what else i'll do with it but for now just happy to finally swap the plier head.  Pics later once I'm on my other computer. 
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Re: The parts exchangeability thread
Reply #47 on: January 23, 2021, 06:00:46 PM
Nothing too exciting but now I've got a working ALX. 
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Reply #48 on: January 23, 2021, 06:01:07 PM
Sounds interesting, Aloha; I'd like to see ; never mind, just saw the picture and it looks good, classic!
Now, get a Rebar awl in there and it'll be done.  :tu:
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Re: The parts exchangeability thread
Reply #49 on: January 23, 2021, 07:54:59 PM
Or make your own awl out of a med flathead like this


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Re: The parts exchangeability thread
Reply #50 on: January 23, 2021, 07:57:53 PM
I think an awl is a great idea.   :tu:

Might grind down the can opener and see what I can come up with  :think:. 
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Sounds like a good plan...
Pictures in the end, please.
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Reply #53 on: January 24, 2021, 05:48:24 PM
Quote from: Aloha on January 23, 2021, 04:19:22 PM
I had a Charge ALX with a broken plier head that's been sitting waiting for some work.  I bought it broke with the intention of doing a few mods to it.  Well yesterday I finally got around to removing the plier head and replacing it with a Kick plier head.  Straight swap no issues.  I now want to remove the can opener and add ???? 

I'm not sure what else i'll do with it but for now just happy to finally swap the plier head.  Pics later once I'm on my other computer.

Those broken pliers are great as a filler for the handles if u are into half tools. I just cut down 2 today and use them..
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Reply #54 on: January 25, 2021, 02:35:00 AM
Great work,  Aloha :tu: :like:

And an awl would be great  :tu:

Sam, what half tool do we here now :think: :drool:
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Re: The parts exchangeability thread
Reply #55 on: January 25, 2021, 03:11:25 AM
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Great work,  Aloha :tu: :like:

And an awl would be great  :tu:

Sam, what half tool do we here now :think: :drool:

Well its no longer the one in the pic. This is what it is now..
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Reply #56 on: January 25, 2021, 12:41:47 PM
 :o Very cool toolset :ahhh :drool: :like:
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Re: The parts exchangeability thread
Reply #57 on: January 25, 2021, 01:53:27 PM
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Re: The parts exchangeability thread
Reply #58 on: May 13, 2021, 05:15:50 AM
Hey folks, so I understand that the Wave+ plier head will not fit in the kick frame due to the long tool, but could someone get me the thickness of the Wave+ head? I wonder if I could fit in there without any long tools.

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Reply #59 on: May 13, 2021, 05:24:27 AM
I suppose I should say that my questioning mainly arises from this video, it is a black oxide tool so I would think if I saw any grinding on the head it would be visible? If anyone could shed some light on this witchcraft I would be appreciative. https://www.reddit.com/r/EDC/comments/gyo1mi/leatherman_kick_mod/

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