Victorinox 2019 Damascus Limited Edition

[Syem]

So I've heard the next Damas knife from Victorinox will be a Wine Master with Oak scales.

Has anyone seen or heard anything about this?

[Reinier]

That will not be cheap!

[Mechanickal]

Of all the great models they could choose from, they select such a small niche of enthousiasts?
Strange...

I'd rather see something like a Yeoman or other discontinued toolconfig with damascus blade

[Syem]

Of all the great models they could choose from, they select such a small niche of enthousiasts?
Strange...

I'd rather see something like a Yeoman or other discontinued toolconfig with damascus blade

Well... It is listed as one of their best selling models... It also won the reddot award 2018 and the kitchen innovation of the year 2018.

It's also one of their latest innovations AND their first original 130mm knife (that's not just a Vic remake of a Wenger knife).
The 130mm 2015 damas had great success too so it's a very understandable move. It's a bit sad they don't go for more risky stuff like original toolset or resurrecting defunct models but that's typical of these guys on the other side of the röstigraben

If it has a similar silver shield unlock button it might just be gorgeous.

It should sell and resell very well i think.

[Mechanickal]

Uhm... yes, I stand corrected.
There are probably more wine lovers than SAK lovers out there, appealing to a wider public.

I was thinking with my collector mindset, which is not the general client mindset

[Rapidray]

But...but...I don’t drink.  (Emoji - Lyons with head lowered walking away with blanket in tow)

[EMZ]

But...but...I don’t drink.  (Emoji - Lyons with head lowered walking away with blanket in tow)

Well... you could start a new hobby... Drinking wine!

[Etherealicer]

Uhm... yes, I stand corrected.
There are probably more wine lovers than SAK lovers out there, appealing to a wider public.

I was thinking with my collector mindset, which is not the general client mindset

SAKs are also really popular gifts in Switzerland and a totally new SAK reduces the risk that you gift one the other guy already has.

[Rapidray]

But...but...I don’t drink.  (Emoji - Lyons with head lowered walking away with blanket in tow)

Well... you could start a new hobby... Drinking wine!

Nooo...
Resisting a LEGO bug as it it...enablers they are!
 

[maxt]

I like this idea of WineMaster (though I would prefer to have a 91mm Damascus).
But they will have hard time not to repeat the style of their 2015 model - that RangerWood was the pure perfection.

[koke]

Of all the great models they could choose from, they select such a small niche of enthousiasts?
Strange...

I'd rather see something like a Yeoman or other discontinued toolconfig with damascus blade

Well... It is listed as one of their best selling models... It also won the reddot award 2018 and the kitchen innovation of the year 2018.

It's also one of their latest innovations AND their first original 130mm knife (that's not just a Vic remake of a Wenger knife).
The 130mm 2015 damas had great success too so it's a very understandable move. It's a bit sad they don't go for more risky stuff like original toolset or resurrecting defunct models but that's typical of these guys on the other side of the röstigraben

If it has a similar silver shield unlock button it might just be gorgeous.

It should sell and resell very well i think.

 

[Rapidray]

I like this idea of WineMaster (though I would prefer to have a 91mm Damascus).
But they will have hard time not to repeat the style of their 2015 model - that RangerWood was the pure perfection.

Oh boy, thats just way to cool. And different patterns! 

[Huntsman]

Still think they should merge the Wine Master and Cheese knife

Or maybe two models of the WM - One as now and a new one with an additional cheese knife blade!!

Possbly retire the 111mm     

[BerkshireHunter]

I still vote the Cadet for Damasteel.   

[maxt]

Still think they should merge the Wine Master and Cheese knife

This is exactly my product suggestion I have submitted to Victorinox some months ago. To replace the blade by a serrated for bread and add cheese blade. That will be a perfect wine combination and interesting serrated Damasteel blade )

[gadgetman7]

I hope it’s something different. I have no interest in that pattern and also don’t like the wooden scales. Oh well, at least I’d save some money.


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[LoopCutter]

Uhm... yes, I stand corrected.
There are probably more wine lovers than SAK lovers out there, appealing to a wider public.

I was thinking with my collector mindset, which is not the general client mindset

SAKs are also really popular gifts in Switzerland and a totally new SAK reduces the risk that you gift one the other guy already has.

You may very well be right!

At dinner the other night with my wife, the table next to us had ordered 3 different bottles of wine between the 5 of them.  The Wine Stewart opened each bottle at the table with his Swiss Wine Master, and at least 3 of the party went    over his tool, each asking in unison what and where to get one.  I will admit I was interested too!, Then found this discussion.

I am curious though, isn't all of Europe limiting on locking blades?  Which would restrict use in public and picnic settings.

[Etherealicer]

Uhm... yes, I stand corrected.
There are probably more wine lovers than SAK lovers out there, appealing to a wider public.

I was thinking with my collector mindset, which is not the general client mindset

SAKs are also really popular gifts in Switzerland and a totally new SAK reduces the risk that you gift one the other guy already has.

You may very well be right!

At dinner the other night with my wife, the table next to us had ordered 3 different bottles of wine between the 5 of them.  The Wine Stewart opened each bottle at the table with his Swiss Wine Master, and at least 3 of the party went    over his tool, each asking in unison what and where to get one.  I will admit I was interested too!, Then found this discussion.

I am curious though, isn't all of Europe limiting on locking blades?  Which would restrict use in public and picnic settings.

Not Switzerland... the soldier knife has to be legal.

Basically, what it boiled down to is that when they wanted a new knife for the Swiss Military, they had to make that open to everybody (EU law)... so a Chinese company that basically offered to gift the knives had the lead. So, they changed the specifications and now the Soldier '08 is a weapon by EU standards. Weapons contracts don't need to be open to companies from other counties... so, Victorinox won
And because the soldier knife has to be legal (everybody carries one), they changed the law. That said, weapons laws in Switzerland are pretty mild. You should know that the largest shooting competition is not held in the US, but in tiny Switzerland with a wooping 130000 contestants.

[Mechanickal]

Mostly reservists?

[Etherealicer]

Mostly reservists?

All kinds, also loads of girls, shooting is fairly popular. Also, the range is 300m (25/50m for handguns)

[Rapidray]

Mostly reservists?

All kinds, also loads of girls, shooting is fairly popular. Also, the range is 300m (25/50m for handguns)

300 meters is like 330 yards on the other side of the pond. Very nice! 
I also like the fact you get to take them home! I did see a YouTube video showing a gentleman going to do his qualification with the rifle and they do a safety check at the door and then like 2 other times...is that right?

[Syem]

Mostly reservists?

All kinds, also loads of girls, shooting is fairly popular. Also, the range is 300m (25/50m for handguns)

300 meters is like 330 yards on the other side of the pond. Very nice! 
I also like the fact you get to take them home! I did see a YouTube video showing a gentleman going to do his qualification with the rifle and they do a safety check at the door and then like 2 other times...is that right?

You can't carry the bolt in the rifle while travelling with it to and from the army courses. You can't have a loaded magazine and definitely can't have a magazine in the rifle.

In terms of Swiss knife laws. The only restrictions I know are (and I prolly got some somewhat wrong so don't take this as legal advice ):
- No button-opening blade (no stilettos but the assisted opening knives are fine).
- No butterfly knives.
- No double-edged blades of less than 30cm (some exceptions are historical army bayonets and officer daggers which can be shorter than 30cm).
- No disguised knife (knife hidden as a pen for example. The crappy folding knife shaped like a pistol should be forbidden theoretically but it's borderline 'cause most can tell it's a knife).
- any knife used as a weapon is considered illegal. You can carry a huge bowie-knife (although you may be asked to justify doing it if they see you with it in the city) but the minute you're using it as a weapon, even to defend yourself, you can get in trouble and it may be seized.

[Etherealicer]

Mostly reservists?

All kinds, also loads of girls, shooting is fairly popular. Also, the range is 300m (25/50m for handguns)

300 meters is like 330 yards on the other side of the pond. Very nice! 
I also like the fact you get to take them home! I did see a YouTube video showing a gentleman going to do his qualification with the rifle and they do a safety check at the door and then like 2 other times...is that right?

You can't carry the bolt in the rifle while travelling with it to and from the army courses. You can't have a loaded magazine and definitely can't have a magazine in the rifle.

In terms of Swiss knife laws. The only restrictions I know are (and I prolly got some somewhat wrong so don't take this as legal advice ):
1) No button-opening blade (no stilettos but the assisted opening knives are fine).
2) No butterfly knives.
3) No double-edged blades of less than 30cm (some exceptions are historical army bayonets and officer daggers which can be shorter than 30cm).
4) No disguised knife (knife hidden as a pen for example. The crappy folding knife shaped like a pistol should be forbidden theoretically but it's borderline 'cause most can tell it's a knife).
5) any knife used as a weapon is considered illegal. You can carry a huge bowie-knife (although you may be asked to justify doing it if they see you with it in the city) but the minute you're using it as a weapon, even to defend yourself, you can get in trouble and it may be seized.

I agree on 1+2, although I don't understand 2, butterfly knives make bad weapons. These you cannot even get a permit for these.
3) Only fixed blades, folders can have double-edged blades (e.g. the Gerber Fairbairn-Applegate folder is completely legal). Accidentally ordered a dagger that was shorter than described, is absolutely no problem, you just need a permit and carrying is restricted.
4) Never heard of that and its also not in the guidlines of the EJPD/fedpol
Addendum I) For some reasons throwing knives are also illegal, but you can buy them everywhere.
Addendum II) Exceptions are historical weapons or if you partake in historical re-enactment. Then you can legally carry a dagger and what not.

Basically for guns the rule is, you are only allowed to carry them when you are going to use them (training, competition, hunting etc) and you have to take the direct route.
It is important that you transport ammo and weapon separately. Also, handguns have to be carried in your pack, not on your belt.

We have a 3rd category which are "dangerous items". This includes most tools (hammer, axe) and many sporting gear (baseball, Hornussen whip). They are legal, but you can only carry them with you if you need them (e.g. the hammer because you are a handyman, or the baseball bat if you go to your training). This has a funny result. By the letter of the law you are not allowed to carry a hammer, however, you can carry your Katana/Rapier/Longsword (they are explicitly listed as non-weapons) with impunity

Another funny thing is, that items intended to harm others (nunchuck, tonfa, brass knuckles and so on) are weapons... swords are not

[coSAK]

Surprisingly, there is no news here although May is already approaching. 

[VICMAN]

I like this idea of WineMaster (though I would prefer to have a 91mm Damascus).
But they will have hard time not to repeat the style of their 2015 model - that RangerWood was the pure perfection.

Those are beautiful SAKs maxt!

[gustophersmob]

I like this idea of WineMaster (though I would prefer to have a 91mm Damascus).
But they will have hard time not to repeat the style of their 2015 model - that RangerWood was the pure perfection.

The pattern on the 111mm blade is very pretty!

Heck, they all are! 

[maxt]

Smoked oak wood looks fine to me. But the shape of the blade and the button is not new and it will repeat the previos 130mm model.

[Syem]

It'll be for sale on the 26th

Looks gorgeous and 6001 is a good number (I like 7s )

[gadgetman7]

Have to pass on this one. I have no use for a wine tool.


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[Syem]

Have to pass on this one. I have no use for a wine tool.


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One more for the rest of us then! Lots of people see these damas Victorinox as investments though... or simply shelf Queens!