here you can see what you need to open and reassemble a Wave
-Surge, ST300 and and MUT have the same pliers, and theyr the biggest in LMN-Old Charge Ti have 154CM blades, new Charge TTI have s30v blades. Charge Al come with 154CM blade. Wave has 420HC blade. You can go on 154CM or S30V , the difference is not so big, on the paper it is a difference yet in reality...neeeehhh-Some sheets have some elastic part that allow you to insert some add ons, like 1 set of bits. if you want to go with 2 and a Wave...you can get the Surge sleeve-Surge is big and heavy, those scissors are great. Why not wait for the Free P series-BO looks ugly after a time, it is resistent yet if you use it it will get scratches and will look acward, i changed my BO Wave with a stainless Wave, yet its just taste, if you want to be more tacticalYou can look at Victorinox, handyman, Cybertool etc, if you just want to go for numbers and flavours
6) Finally, on the Wave+ blade upgrades: you need two driver bits to get the old blades off, correct? I have a security bit set, but think there's only one bit and I figure I'll need two.
Quote from: svashtar on February 05, 2019, 02:01:19 AM6) Finally, on the Wave+ blade upgrades: you need two driver bits to get the old blades off, correct? I have a security bit set, but think there's only one bit and I figure I'll need two.Buying the appropriate size Torx screwdriver would be a cheaper option than getting another bit kit just for that.
...4) I really like the looks of the black oxide, and the MUT has that and I haven't had any problems with it, but I read several reviews of folks complaining about it scratching or rubbing off. That's why I didn't get the black / chrome combo special edition Wave+ when I could have (kicking myself). But now I'm thinking about getting that combo finish one with the Surge. Any tricks to taking care of the black? Maybe clean it with acetone first? I don't think a quick wipe would hurt it....
...-BO looks ugly after a time, it is resistent yet if you use it it will get scratches and will look acward, i changed my BO Wave with a stainless Wave, yet its just taste, if you want to be more tactical...
Quote from: svashtar on February 05, 2019, 02:01:19 AM...4) I really like the looks of the black oxide, and the MUT has that and I haven't had any problems with it, but I read several reviews of folks complaining about it scratching or rubbing off. That's why I didn't get the black / chrome combo special edition Wave+ when I could have (kicking myself). But now I'm thinking about getting that combo finish one with the Surge. Any tricks to taking care of the black? Maybe clean it with acetone first? I don't think a quick wipe would hurt it....I thought the special edition BO/stainless Wave was the previous model Wave, not the "+" version. And about BO, the only thing it needs is a nice long rub down with an old cotton rag (for example, an old T-shirt). When I get myself a BO tool I just go to the couch, sit my *ss down, put on something nice on TV and start rubbing my tool ...(okay, that sounded way worse than I intended ... )Seriously, after the first rub down (make sure to get all the tools, and the inside of the handles as well), it may take another one a couple of days later, and sometimes even a third rub down, but after that, no more BO on your hands.Quote from: Raoul Octav on February 06, 2019, 09:08:35 AM...-BO looks ugly after a time, it is resistent yet if you use it it will get scratches and will look acward, i changed my BO Wave with a stainless Wave, yet its just taste, if you want to be more tactical...Some might say (and I'm one of them) that a BO tool only gets prettier and prettier when it's being used ... The first scratch might hurt, but after a while it turns into a work of art in my opinion.
Quote from: Top-Gear-24 on February 06, 2019, 10:59:16 PMQuote from: svashtar on February 05, 2019, 02:01:19 AM...4) I really like the looks of the black oxide, and the MUT has that and I haven't had any problems with it, but I read several reviews of folks complaining about it scratching or rubbing off. That's why I didn't get the black / chrome combo special edition Wave+ when I could have (kicking myself). But now I'm thinking about getting that combo finish one with the Surge. Any tricks to taking care of the black? Maybe clean it with acetone first? I don't think a quick wipe would hurt it....I thought the special edition BO/stainless Wave was the previous model Wave, not the "+" version. And about BO, the only thing it needs is a nice long rub down with an old cotton rag (for example, an old T-shirt). When I get myself a BO tool I just go to the couch, sit my *ss down, put on something nice on TV and start rubbing my tool ...(okay, that sounded way worse than I intended ... )Seriously, after the first rub down (make sure to get all the tools, and the inside of the handles as well), it may take another one a couple of days later, and sometimes even a third rub down, but after that, no more BO on your hands.Quote from: Raoul Octav on February 06, 2019, 09:08:35 AM...-BO looks ugly after a time, it is resistent yet if you use it it will get scratches and will look acward, i changed my BO Wave with a stainless Wave, yet its just taste, if you want to be more tactical...Some might say (and I'm one of them) that a BO tool only gets prettier and prettier when it's being used ... The first scratch might hurt, but after a while it turns into a work of art in my opinion.You may be right that the BO/Silver was only on the standard Wave. I tried to find it again on Amazon but it looks like it’s gone. There is a two-tone Surge though (Q: is there a Surge +?)The BO on my MUT has held up pretty well, but I appreciate the advice on cleaning them up. I do like the look of it.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote from: svashtar on February 06, 2019, 11:29:38 PMQuote from: Top-Gear-24 on February 06, 2019, 10:59:16 PMQuote from: svashtar on February 05, 2019, 02:01:19 AM...4) I really like the looks of the black oxide, and the MUT has that and I haven't had any problems with it, but I read several reviews of folks complaining about it scratching or rubbing off. That's why I didn't get the black / chrome combo special edition Wave+ when I could have (kicking myself). But now I'm thinking about getting that combo finish one with the Surge. Any tricks to taking care of the black? Maybe clean it with acetone first? I don't think a quick wipe would hurt it....I thought the special edition BO/stainless Wave was the previous model Wave, not the "+" version. And about BO, the only thing it needs is a nice long rub down with an old cotton rag (for example, an old T-shirt). When I get myself a BO tool I just go to the couch, sit my *ss down, put on something nice on TV and start rubbing my tool ...(okay, that sounded way worse than I intended ... )Seriously, after the first rub down (make sure to get all the tools, and the inside of the handles as well), it may take another one a couple of days later, and sometimes even a third rub down, but after that, no more BO on your hands.Quote from: Raoul Octav on February 06, 2019, 09:08:35 AM...-BO looks ugly after a time, it is resistent yet if you use it it will get scratches and will look acward, i changed my BO Wave with a stainless Wave, yet its just taste, if you want to be more tactical...Some might say (and I'm one of them) that a BO tool only gets prettier and prettier when it's being used ... The first scratch might hurt, but after a while it turns into a work of art in my opinion.You may be right that the BO/Silver was only on the standard Wave. I tried to find it again on Amazon but it looks like it’s gone. There is a two-tone Surge though (Q: is there a Surge +?)The BO on my MUT has held up pretty well, but I appreciate the advice on cleaning them up. I do like the look of it.Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThe Surge was already the "+" version since they changed from the old model to the current one, they just didn't give it the "+" name. The "+",in the first place, stands for the replaceable cutters. And that was one of the big updates from the old Surge to the current "new" one. Along with changes on the scissors (no more small piece of plastic on it), and swapping the small bitdriver for an awl if I remember correct. My wife gave me a special edition Surge as a Christmas gift (since I already owned the Stainless version and the BO version, all that was missing was the Stainless/BO version ).And the MUT is a bit different when it comes to BO, if you have the version with the BO tools, the BO coating on the tools is the same as, for example, a BO Wave. But the "black" colour of the MUT handles is different (just like the Skeletool or Signal handles), this is not the same coating as they use for the other tools. Maybe somebody else can tell us just what progress they use for those handles, but all I know is that the handles on my MUT/Signal/Skeletool never gave me black hands .
Some might say (and I'm one of them) that a BO tool only gets prettier and prettier when it's being used ... The first scratch might hurt, but after a while it turns into a work of art in my opinion.