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Side-by-Side Comparison Photo Request Thread - Ask for them here 6909

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Re: Side-by-Side Comparison Photo Request Thread - Ask for them here
« Reply #150 on: April 09, 2018, 03:51:50 AM »
Fieldmaster, Farmer, Cadet, Pioneer, Super Tinker, SwissChamp



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« Reply #151 on: April 10, 2018, 11:15:53 PM »
Doing some side-by-side comparisons of 4 SwissChamps:
Second and third seem to have the thicker tang on the main blade (left side), I need to find out which years have this.
The third has the thinner pliers.
Fourth set is the only one with the clear magnifier and shorter inline Phillips.
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« Reply #152 on: April 10, 2018, 11:27:39 PM »
Doing some side-by-side comparisons of 4 SwissChamps:


Nice comparisons FB! :like: :tu: :tu:
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« Reply #153 on: April 11, 2018, 09:53:59 AM »
Single Layer Ribbed Alox:

This is not comprehensive. It represents what I have that can be photographed and measured. I used Harbor Freight Pittsburgh composite calipers which, if you know Harbor Freight, are anything but NIST calibrated. They are, however, not too shabby for cheap composite material calipers. I use them for measuring things that mar much too easily from tool steel calipers such as knives, watches, etc.

These single layer ribbed Alox represent what I call "Gentlemen's Knives". They're slim, relatively small, and disappear in a front pocket. The ribbed Alox has some class as well. IMHO it's a slight step up from smooth Alox and a just a little more up from Cellidor. Hardly noticeable until you need to open a box, a letter, or peel an apple or an orange, or perhaps cut a candy bar in half (or more parts) for the kids. (If they're old enough to cut it themselves, and there are two, give one the knife and let him cut it; the other gets to pick which half he wants.) For those that want to protect the finish from keys and coins, they can fit into a thin leather slip and still disappear in the pocket.

First, to get a feel for their shape and relative sizes, here they are face up . . .



Now for their thicknesses . . .



The 75mm Beginner is the thinnest knife I've ever seen. I thought I had seen thin with the Sentry and Excelsior, and then the Beginner arrived. Note that the Sentry and Excelsior are the same thickness and the Excelsior has two blades. I've used arrows to show how Vicotrinox managed to fit the opposing blade without increasing thickness by using a spacer and thinning the large blade at the tang slightly. Provides the necessary space for the small pen blade.

I have a 74mm Prince and didn't depict it here because it has stainless steel scales, not ribbed Alox. It falls between the Bantam and Solo at ~6.3mm thick (varied +/- 0.1mm depending on where it was measured; one end, the other end, or the middle). Another Gentleman's Knife albeit a little different from these but still with plenty of class:



John
« Last Edit: April 11, 2018, 10:00:17 AM by jalind »

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Re: Side-by-Side Comparison Photo Request Thread - Ask for them here
« Reply #154 on: April 11, 2018, 12:14:05 PM »
Single Layer Ribbed Alox:

This is not comprehensive. It represents what I have that can be photographed and measured.

John

Nice comparisons John! :like: :tu: :tu:
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« Reply #155 on: April 11, 2018, 02:35:14 PM »
Single Layer Ribbed Alox:

This is not comprehensive. It represents what I have that can be photographed and measured.

John

Nice comparisons John! :like: :tu: :tu:
Agreed, thank you!  :like:  :tu:
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« Reply #156 on: April 11, 2018, 05:49:28 PM »
Side by side comparison of various 58mm:
  • Classic
  • Signature (Classic with pen)
  • Signature Lite (Classic with pen and light)
  • Rambler
  • MiniChamp
  • Midnight MiniChamp
The pen and light dramatically increase width. The light with its cell adds a bit more than the pen does compared to toothpick and tweezers scales.



Not shown are the Manager, a Rambler with pen, and the Midnite Manager, a Rambler with pen and light. One can deduce from the Classic, Signature and Signature Lite that their widths would be (approximately):
  • 10.3mm - Rambler
  • 11.9mm - Manager (Rambler with pen)
  • 13.7mm - Midnite Manager (Rambler with pen and light)
John
« Last Edit: April 11, 2018, 06:06:48 PM by jalind »

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« Reply #157 on: April 11, 2018, 05:53:43 PM »
Side by side comparison of various 58mm:
  • Classic
  • Signature (Classic with pen)
  • Signature Lite (Classic with pen and light)
  • Rambler
  • MiniChamp
  • Midnight MiniChamp
The pen and light dramatically increase width. The light with its cell adds a bit more than the pen does compared to toothpick and tweezers scales.

(Image removed from quote.)

Not shown are the Manager, a Rambler with pen, and the Midnite Manager, a Rambler with pen and light. One can deduce from the Classic, Signature and Signature Lite that their widths would be:
  • 10.3mm - Rambler
  • 11.9mm - Manager (Rambler with pen)
  • 13.7mm - Midnite Manager (Rambler with pen and light)
John
:hatsoff: Thank you!  :cheers:
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« Reply #158 on: April 11, 2018, 07:06:18 PM »
How I made that photo is posted here in this thread:

https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,76820.msg1676992.html#msg1676992

John

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« Reply #159 on: April 12, 2018, 09:47:52 AM »
Now this is a thread!
 :like:
...and all these pics!
 :D

I got one. If anyone has 74mm Escort, I would like to see thickness comparison with Ambassador. Been searching one and it would help decide. :)

I know its not a common one, so, sorry.
What else is similar to an Escort?  I have an Ambassador....maybe I can get close.
In 74mm I have a Cellidor Prince, Stainless Steel Prince, Ambassador and Executive. The 74mm Escort has been retired for some time now. The Cellidor Prince is probably about the same as an Escort in dimensions as it's a single layer. It's an Escort with a small blade added opposite the large one, T&T and keyring added. The other side has the same fingernail cleaner and nail file. I'll do up a comparison of the four. A Prince might be easier to find compared to an Escort.

Getting them all on edge may be the challenge ;)

John
« Last Edit: April 12, 2018, 09:50:56 AM by jalind »

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« Reply #160 on: April 12, 2018, 10:09:58 AM »
My Cybertool collection:

L-R: 29/S, 34/M, Lite, XLT.



I need a 41.
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« Reply #161 on: April 12, 2018, 11:40:24 AM »
My Cybertool collection:

I need a 41.
Nice collection hiraethus! :like: :tu: :tu:
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« Reply #162 on: April 12, 2018, 12:35:08 PM »
Victorinox 74mm comparison:
  • Prince with Stainless Scales
  • Prince with Cellidor Scales
  • Ambassador
  • Executive
The Prince and Ambassador are single layer. The Executive is two layer.

The Prince is an Escort with several tools added:
  • Small blade opposite the large one
  • Key ring
  • Toothpick and tweezers
An Ambassador is a Prince with swapped out tools:
  • Small blade replaced with short non-SD nail file used on 58mm Classic
  • Long nail file on back replaced with scissors
A look at the four from their sides . . .




A look at the four from their edges . . .



The main blade tang width on all is 2.2mm. The width of both the long nail file and the scissors at the pivot are also 2.2mm.Added arrows to show how Victorinox made room for the second blade on the Prince and short nail file on the Ambassador opposite the large blade, without increasing width between the liners. That means all the Cellidor single layer should be the same overall width, including the Escort which isn't shown. Likewise, the Windsor which is an Ambassador with stainless scales, also not shown, should be the same width as a Prince with stainless scales. The difference between the measured width of the Cellidor Prince and Ambassador had me puzzled for a while until I measured their widths at three points: key ring end above the pivots (concealed by the scales), middle, and T&T end above the pivots. Some bulge in the middle of the scales is normal and to be expected.
  • Cellidor Prince: 8.3mm - 8.4mm - 8.2mm
  • Ambassador: 8.5mm - 8.7mm - 8.3mm
Then looked at the two using 10x magnifier glasses. That is when I noted the larger liner bulge in the middle of the Ambassador. The only rivets are the pair of pivots at each end, similar to the 58mm. It's the same design concept. There are no riveted pivots or pins in the middle of the 74mm SAKs. The photo shows some of it. Conclusion regarding single layer 74mm SAKs: the width between the liners at the pivot points is the same on all of them, 2.2mm. The different single layer with stainless scales are essentially the same overall width and the different single layer with Cellidor scales are essentially the same overall width. Differences between specific examples are attributable to scales thickness variation and variation in how much the liners bulge in the middle of the SAK.

John
« Last Edit: April 12, 2018, 12:36:48 PM by jalind »

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« Reply #163 on: April 12, 2018, 07:23:21 PM »
Does anyone have a Kershaw Skyline?  If so, would you be willing to post a picture of that next to a 91mm SAK.  The picture I am looking for is each with the main blade extended and looking from the back of the blade.  I am trying to get a good feel for how much thicker the Skyline blade is to the SAK's main one.  Thanks!
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« Reply #164 on: April 12, 2018, 10:30:05 PM »
Does anyone have a Kershaw Skyline?  If so, would you be willing to post a picture of that next to a 91mm SAK.  The picture I am looking for is each with the main blade extended and looking from the back of the blade.  I am trying to get a good feel for how much thicker the Skyline blade is to the SAK's main one.  Thanks!

I did find this article showing a Kershaw blade next to a SAK blade, but not the spine.
I wish I could help, but I don't currently have any Kershaw, I have Chris Reeve, Emerson, if that is of any help.
The link:
http://www.swissarmyknights.com/articles/2010/may-2010/241-kershaw-sak
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« Reply #165 on: April 13, 2018, 07:27:49 AM »
A side-by-side of 93mm, 84mm and a 75mm Alox showing their scales thicknesses. The difference between the 93mm and 84mm is quite dramatic. Nevertheless, the 84mm remain quite rigid.



From left to right:
93mm:
  • Pioneer X
  • Pioneer (for this purpose it's same as the 1961 Soldier and Wenger Standard Issue)
  • Pioneer Solo
84mm:
  • Cadet
  • Bantam
  • Excelsior
  • Sentry
75mm:
  • Beginner
John

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« Reply #166 on: April 13, 2018, 08:32:51 AM »
1974 Wenger Soldier vs 2006 Victorinox Soldier

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« Reply #167 on: April 13, 2018, 08:33:41 AM »
Wenger with reshaped awl

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« Reply #168 on: May 17, 2018, 10:31:57 PM »
New layer index format

Very nice new pic at the bottom - Thanks Jalind   :salute:   :D

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+58mm
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« Reply #169 on: March 03, 2019, 05:24:25 PM »
WorkChamp next to WorkChamp XL

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« Reply #170 on: March 03, 2019, 05:35:54 PM »
The XL's and their counterparts:


Top:
SwissChamp XL and SwissChamp

Bottom:
MiniChamp XL and MiniChamp

Right:
WorkChamp XL and WorkChamp

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« Reply #171 on: March 03, 2019, 05:45:24 PM »
WorkChamp next to WorkChamp XL



Nice comparison pic FB! :like: :tu: :tu:
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« Reply #172 on: March 03, 2019, 05:46:20 PM »
The XL's and their counterparts:



Great XL comparisons FB! :like: :tu: :tu:

 

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