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Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed. 1315

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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #50 on: February 25, 2019, 12:12:26 PM »
   All this talk about this thing made me dig mine up! On mine, the box  states "assembled in USA of USA and imported components". My cutters also appear to have no gap in between them. There is a 2012 date on the box so I may have had this longer than I thought. I thought Gerber was trying to manufacture more of their tools here in the USA.  :dunno:
I still do not see why Gerber makes this when all it appears to be is a MP600. I own several MP600's but do not have time to get one right now for comparison. The saw may be different. Anyhow, I am digressing. It stinks that Gerber apparently has let the QC on this model go. I am going to guess that Gerber will not give you your money back for it. Maybe you can find an older version on Ebay?

 :) Actually do not really need one.. Just wanted to sort things out with them. From my conversation with Gerber rep, Diesel is the model to replace Flik. The Mp600 is before even filk I think. Its a well tested platform and not going to retire anytime soon so I guess they just wanted to bring something new to consumer.
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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #51 on: February 25, 2019, 01:29:37 PM »
I want to say a few years ago(edit: probably wasn't that long ago). I remember seeing an article, but cannot find it now.  :ahhh

My Diesel had "Assembled in USA with Global Materials" on the clam packaging. I rarely hold onto clamshell packaging. I'll look around some more on google tomorrow. :)
Edit:
Here is a photo I found showing the boxed version. It is written by the UPC. Hard to make out though.

Thanks mate  :cheers: the box for mine is long gone. I only hold on to them long enough to be sure everything works, and then it gets ditched, so I've no idea what mine said.  :-[



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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #52 on: February 25, 2019, 03:58:29 PM »
   All this talk about this thing made me dig mine up! On mine, the box  states "assembled in USA of USA and imported components". My cutters also appear to have no gap in between them. There is a 2012 date on the box so I may have had this longer than I thought. I thought Gerber was trying to manufacture more of their tools here in the USA.  :dunno:
I still do not see why Gerber makes this when all it appears to be is a MP600. I own several MP600's but do not have time to get one right now for comparison. The saw may be different. Anyhow, I am digressing. It stinks that Gerber apparently has let the QC on this model go. I am going to guess that Gerber will not give you your money back for it. Maybe you can find an older version on Ebay?
Thank you for checking on that,  Mike! :salute:
So, it would appear, the older US-assembled tools were likely to be less defective. We all definitely need to make sure we buy ones with pre-2015(or 16/17, not quite sure) to get good cutters. :ahhh

Thanks mate  :cheers: the box for mine is long gone. I only hold on to them long enough to be sure everything works, and then it gets ditched, so I've no idea what mine said.  :-[
Understood! :cheers:
I have started keeping only boxes that can be broken down to a flattened state. But, like you have been doing, I have been tossing a lot of packaging for less valuable tools. :ahhh


I really do hope Gerber gets the cutter issues sorted, because the Diesel is a fine tool otherwise. A step in the right direction for Gerber  may be to modify the handles to accommodate the 600 pliers instead of the Diesel pliers.

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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #53 on: February 25, 2019, 05:11:07 PM »
Thank you for checking on that,  Mike! :salute:
So, it would appear, the older US-assembled tools were likely to be less defective. We all definitely need to make sure we buy ones with pre-2015(or 16/17, not quite sure) to get good cutters. :ahhh
Understood! :cheers:
I have started keeping only boxes that can be broken down to a flattened state. But, like you have been doing, I have been tossing a lot of packaging for less valuable tools. :ahhh


I really do hope Gerber gets the cutter issues sorted, because the Diesel is a fine tool otherwise. A step in the right direction for Gerber  may be to modify the handles to accommodate the 600 pliers instead of the Diesel pliers.

Probably something Pre 16. I have 3 16th and they doesn't cut very well either. I usually use something around a 1mm2 copper stranded as gauge for cutter performance. I personally think these kind of wire are more demanding on cutter. Its either a clean cut or fold over. But of course this "test" is relative to my own needs.
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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #54 on: March 03, 2019, 06:33:16 PM »
It seems no one at Gerber want to address the Diesel issue..  :think:

I sent another email to them last Sat with the original attachment and forwarded email but no one seems interested to reply. Both time, waited a week for their response. I think the last email I should be rude enough to warranty a reply from them but nothing...  :facepalm:
« Last Edit: March 03, 2019, 06:36:38 PM by Sam Lim »
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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #55 on: March 03, 2019, 07:36:13 PM »
Very sad Sam that they are ignoring what is a very reasonable request for some form of response, even basic acknowledgment. This is what can put someone off a brand permanently. I hope you get a response soon...  :dunno:
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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #56 on: March 03, 2019, 08:23:09 PM »
They may have his email flagged to go straight to the trash email. Could have something to do with multiple warranty request fulfillments from outside of the US It may not be them ignoring the email.

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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #57 on: March 05, 2019, 06:52:07 AM »
But that's their general enquiry email... It's a real bummer if they do that..
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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #58 on: March 05, 2019, 07:05:55 AM »
I am just throwing ideas out. It isn't like it is a single person handling the entire email system, so outright ignoring the emails doesn't make sense.
One of the employees could have mistakenly marked your email address as a scam, thinking multiple exchanges could be a possible scam. It happens. Do you have an alternate email address to try sending from? And don't mention it has been exchanged before, as that could flag the new email.
Like I said, I'm just throwing some ideas out.

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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #59 on: March 05, 2019, 06:46:05 PM »
Good idea to try sending from a different email address (and different subject).
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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #60 on: March 06, 2019, 09:22:46 PM »
Hi Sam,
 
Thank you for your continued communication regarding this matter, we appreciate your patience and effort to bring this to our attention. To give you some background and context on the situation, and how multiple tools were sent out to you that didn’t meet performance standards, please see below:
 
The issue of wire cutters not cutting thin strand wire or paper on the Diesel multi-tool was brought to our attention and we are taking steps to improve this issue on our production line and to meet customer expectations.  The issue was found to be a manufacturing tolerance between the 2 jaw sides to ensure the bypassing jaws cut large and small diameter wire well.  Over time, the Diesel tooling has worn and therefore reduced performance in cutting small diameter wire.  We have stopped shipping all Diesel models and are improving the tooling as well as current inventory. 
 
Gerber has a lifetime warranty and we stand behind all our manufactured products.  Making great product and meeting consumer expectations are very important to us and we will improve the product and make good with our great customers.
 
Thank you to the multitool.org community for your multi-tool passion and allowing this level of direct communication to our Gerber tool users.


Eric Moore
Product Manager, Multi-Tools

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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #61 on: March 06, 2019, 09:42:39 PM »
Hello Eric, it's most refreshing to see an open letter from a manufacturer in this forum.  :hatsoff:
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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #62 on: March 06, 2019, 09:46:27 PM »
:iagree:

Still, Sam still has a Diesel that doesn't perform as it should, yet has no idea when and if he will ever get a perfect one...

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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #63 on: March 07, 2019, 12:23:56 AM »
:iagree:

Still, Sam still has a Diesel that doesn't perform as it should, yet has no idea when and if he will ever get a perfect one...
I'm sure he will now. Just need to wait until Gerber has their tooling repaired/replaced for the Diesel line. :tu:




Eric Moore,

Good work coming to the forum with this and addressing the issue. It has made me feel good about owning 50-60 Gerber multitools. :cheers:

I do hope you will take part in more of these situations in the future. That would definitely show solidarity in your resolve regarding the issues. Maybe next time the problem can he addressed before Sam(also an owner of dozens of Gerbers), or anyone in his position, has to repeatedly contact CS. :multi:

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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #64 on: March 07, 2019, 03:21:21 AM »
Hi Sam,
 
Thank you for your continued communication regarding this matter, we appreciate your patience and effort to bring this to our attention. To give you some background and context on the situation, and how multiple tools were sent out to you that didn’t meet performance standards, please see below:
 
The issue of wire cutters not cutting thin strand wire or paper on the Diesel multi-tool was brought to our attention and we are taking steps to improve this issue on our production line and to meet customer expectations.  The issue was found to be a manufacturing tolerance between the 2 jaw sides to ensure the bypassing jaws cut large and small diameter wire well.  Over time, the Diesel tooling has worn and therefore reduced performance in cutting small diameter wire.  We have stopped shipping all Diesel models and are improving the tooling as well as current inventory. 
 
Gerber has a lifetime warranty and we stand behind all our manufactured products.  Making great product and meeting consumer expectations are very important to us and we will improve the product and make good with our great customers.
 
Thank you to the multitool.org community for your multi-tool passion and allowing this level of direct communication to our Gerber tool users.
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Eric Moore
Product Manager, Multi-Tools


I thank you for your reply Eric!

It's always comforting to know that Gerber is listening to feedbacks from consumers and taking action to correct things. It's not easy for a big company to admit errors and you did that, beautifully.

Do hang around here often.  :tu:

So now, there is a closure to this. They had send me a reply via email too. Big thanks to MTO and our big boss Grant.  :salute:
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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #65 on: March 07, 2019, 06:53:33 AM »
In that case, I didn't say a thing :D

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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #66 on: March 07, 2019, 08:27:10 AM »
In that case, I didn't say a thing :D

 :D They did list the Diesel as out of stock on their official website.  :salute: I am really looking forward to them fixing the Diesel. It have one of the bigger cutter and will be great for wiring works.  :tu:
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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #67 on: March 07, 2019, 12:01:21 PM »
Huge respect for Gerber for stepping up like this.  There are a lot of ways for them to handle it quietly and to everyone's satisfaction, but they took the hit, and more importantly are taking steps to rectify the issue for everyone.

If that isn't the marque of a quality manufacturer, I don't know what is.

I have to say that I have been involved in a few issues like this over the years with just about every major manufacturer (yup, even THAT one) and they have all handled it quietly, behind the scenes, rectifying the issue quietly and sending the member a replacement and maybe a hat or sticker or something, but I do not recall any of them openly admitting a problem, halting production and shipping of the affected model and dealing with it first hand.

I have always had a lot of respect for Gerber, and now that level of respect has increased significantly.   :tu:

Def

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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #68 on: March 07, 2019, 12:39:17 PM »
I think it is pretty neat that Gerber responded like that and acknowledged they have a Problem and are working hard to Correct it!..Mine currently resides in my Pick Up Truck...I looked at the Jaws awhile back and didnt see any Issues with mine I guess it was made before the Tooling Issue...Neat that Someone from Gerber joined the Forums..Most of Us here are Multi Tool Fanatics (Not in a Bad Way)..Impressing or Wowing here should translate in to Grand Slam with most Folks...Plus We all come from lots of different Occupations and Professions I have been a Soldier Managed a Security Service a Mechanic Warehouseman Technician and Truck Driver...I am Happiest that they Fellow ith a Bad Tool will get it Addressed sometimes it takes a bit because it takes a bit to get things sorted out..Myself the Few Times I have used them Gerber has been top notch..With one of the Original Multi Pliers well over 20 years Ago I sent it in with a Note as to how the Jaws got Broken(Steeping On Handle to cut Small Bolt for a Drift Pin) I figured it was Abuse and wasn't covered..I got a New Tool Back a couple maybe 3 weeks later

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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #69 on: March 07, 2019, 12:43:34 PM »
Hi Sam,
 
Thank you for your continued communication regarding this matter, we appreciate your patience and effort to bring this to our attention. To give you some background and context on the situation, and how multiple tools were sent out to you that didn’t meet performance standards, please see below:
 
The issue of wire cutters not cutting thin strand wire or paper on the Diesel multi-tool was brought to our attention and we are taking steps to improve this issue on our production line and to meet customer expectations.  The issue was found to be a manufacturing tolerance between the 2 jaw sides to ensure the bypassing jaws cut large and small diameter wire well.  Over time, the Diesel tooling has worn and therefore reduced performance in cutting small diameter wire.  We have stopped shipping all Diesel models and are improving the tooling as well as current inventory. 
 
Gerber has a lifetime warranty and we stand behind all our manufactured products.  Making great product and meeting consumer expectations are very important to us and we will improve the product and make good with our great customers.
 
Thank you to the multitool.org community for your multi-tool passion and allowing this level of direct communication to our Gerber tool users.
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Eric Moore
Product Manager, Multi-Tools

                   Please Visit Often! I for One am a Huge Fan of Gerbers Multis In Particular They are Priced Reasonably Enoughthat I dont feel Guilty beating the Snot Out of One or getting Dirty LOL Thanks for Helping Out a Forum Member and Thanks as a Company for Owning Up to a Production Quality Issue...Mistakes Happen How they are Fixed is Most Important

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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #70 on: March 07, 2019, 12:44:31 PM »
Huge respect for Gerber for stepping up like this.  There are a lot of ways for them to handle it quietly and to everyone's satisfaction, but they took the hit, and more importantly are taking steps to rectify the issue for everyone.

If that isn't the marque of a quality manufacturer, I don't know what is.

I have to say that I have been involved in a few issues like this over the years with just about every major manufacturer (yup, even THAT one) and they have all handled it quietly, behind the scenes, rectifying the issue quietly and sending the member a replacement and maybe a hat or sticker or something, but I do not recall any of them openly admitting a problem, halting production and shipping of the affected model and dealing with it first hand.

I have always had a lot of respect for Gerber, and now that level of respect has increased significantly.   :tu:

Def

Agreed!

I own more tools by Gerber than by their Portland neighbour, and find them a very reliable company, with less hype and BS than the other company (though I will say, I didn't like how the Centredrive marketting was handled). My Diesel is one of my favourite tool, not just in onboard features, but in ergonomics, which is very important to me, and an area which Gerber often beats their competitors. A Dime is permanently on my keys, and other multipliers (mainly 400,600 and Balance) regularly get pocket time here.  :salute:

Welcome to MTO, Eric, and thank you for taking the steps to both resolve Sam's issue, but also reassure the market that you are heeding the feedback you are given. :2tu: I hope this wasn't just a one off visit, and that you'll be willing to engage directly with us here at MTO more often in future.

While you're in a listening mood, may I take the opportunity to ask that Gerber seriously consider offering a tool steel alternative to your carbide cutters. I was a huge fan of the MP700, and the main reason I got rid of the ones (yes, multiples) I had and adopted the Balance instead, was the less brittle cutters. I feel the carbide inserts have been an achilles heel for me in the use of your tools, and while I do love many of your products, I now try to avoid anything which takes the carbide inserts (another reason I love the Diesel). For me, the cutters have always disintegrated before I've had cause to turn them for a fresh edge. A slight drop in hardness in favour of significantly increased toughness (something like ASP30 perhaps), would be a very significant leap forward for Gerber multitool users, without any design or tooling changes for the tools themselves, and I believe would put you in even better stead against your nearby competitor.

I hope Sam doesn't mind me dropping that in here.  :-[

Thanks again for listening, Eric, and for raising your head above the parapet. It is very much appreciated, and we hope to hear more from you in the months and years ahead.  :cheers:



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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #71 on: March 07, 2019, 01:07:07 PM »
Classy move, Gerber.

I have a lot of multitools, but Gerbers are not the plurality nor do I own a Diesel. I think I might need to rectify that when their tooling has been redone and this line is available again.

 :cheers:
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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #72 on: March 07, 2019, 01:08:27 PM »
Hi Sam,

Thank you for your continued communication regarding this matter, we appreciate your patience and effort to bring this to our attention. To give you some background and context on the situation, and how multiple tools were sent out to you that didn’t meet performance standards, please see below:
 
The issue of wire cutters not cutting thin strand wire or paper on the Diesel multi-tool was brought to our attention and we are taking steps to improve this issue on our production line and to meet customer expectations.  The issue was found to be a manufacturing tolerance between the 2 jaw sides to ensure the bypassing jaws cut large and small diameter wire well.  Over time, the Diesel tooling has worn and therefore reduced performance in cutting small diameter wire.  We have stopped shipping all Diesel models and are improving the tooling as well as current inventory. 
 
Gerber has a lifetime warranty and we stand behind all our manufactured products.  Making great product and meeting consumer expectations are very important to us and we will improve the product and make good with our great customers.
 
Thank you to the multitool.org community for your multi-tool passion and allowing this level of direct communication to our Gerber tool users.
(Image removed from quote.)

Eric Moore
Product Manager, Multi-Tools


Welcome to the forums, Eric. :cheers:
After you address the Diesel wire-cutter issue, maybe you can have a look at the Center-Drive wire-cutter issue?
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Re: Gerber Diesel - Utterly disappointed.
« Reply #73 on: March 07, 2019, 02:36:45 PM »


While you're in a listening mood, may I take the opportunity to ask that Gerber seriously consider offering a tool steel alternative to your carbide cutters. I was a huge fan of the MP700, and the main reason I got rid of the ones (yes, multiples) I had and adopted the Balance instead, was the less brittle cutters. I feel the carbide inserts have been an achilles heel for me in the use of your tools, and while I do love many of your products, I now try to avoid anything which takes the carbide inserts (another reason I love the Diesel). For me, the cutters have always disintegrated before I've had cause to turn them for a fresh edge. A slight drop in hardness in favour of significantly increased toughness (something like ASP30 perhaps), would be a very significant leap forward for Gerber multitool users, without any design or tooling changes for the tools themselves, and I believe would put you in even better stead against your nearby competitor.

I hope Sam doesn't mind me dropping that in here.  :-[

Thanks again for listening, Eric, and for raising your head above the parapet. It is very much appreciated, and we hope to hear more from you in the months and years ahead.  :cheers:

Of course I dun mind. That would be super awlsome if they did!

 

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