Alox Pioneer with scissors and saw

Humayd A R Mahomedy · **on:** February 24, 2019, 09:41:43 PM

greetings guys and gals.
so,a few months ago,i received my 1st Alox,a Farmer. my son got a Pioneer with Scissors.a model i planned on getting as well.
you can't not love the Alox,and i'm partial to the 93's. a thought popped into my head,"4 layer Alox,with Scissors and saw".
i was waiting for the Pioneer with scissors to arrive so i could do this,plan was a 4 layer,and a 2 layer which would basically be an Alox Soldier,which is also another that i wanted.
on to the pics.and descriptions.

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2 perfectly good knives,awaiting my frankensteinerisms

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pins punched

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pilot holes

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disassembled. drilling was a bit hair-raising for me,concerned about messing up,but after what transpired,that was soon forgotten.

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stainless pin stock.i make knives for a living,and use mostly stainless so thought that i'd stick with that [merely mention that heres since i really suck at modding knives,much respect to the guys who do it so artfully].

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the "Soldier" was to be my guinea pig for the trial assembly.

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trial fit.

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both with pins shortened.

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assembled and masked,almost ready for peining.

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and here is where it gets interesting.
i made a pin press jig for bolsters and guards,and decided to try it on this project [yep,THAT clever].
the ss pins didn't "move" well,i squashed the scales at the spring pin of the "Soldier",decided i didnt like what i did and stripped them both out and went to brass pin stock.

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peining under way. i didn't take notice of how hard trhe brass pins were when cutting,realised that this was a harder brass stock than i should have used,when the peining started cracking the rivets.

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both are done here,rivets looking pretty lousy.

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cleaned up the rivets with a cratex stick in the drill press. looks "ok".

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a bit more interesting.i kinked 2 liners on the 4 layer. "but wait.there's ,more".

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at 1st glance,looks pretty cool.

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the Soldier isn't bad,blades snap,but i don't like the lateral play in the knife blade.my son suggested i make a set of Titanium scales. this is staying like this for now,i havent decided if i want to make the scales,or just change the pins. this Soldier will wear his cars proudly.

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and now,the reason for this exercise.can you see whats wrong?

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the squashed sections on the scales,and cracked rivets. i should have paid more attention,i could have annealed the pins.

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if you did not notice what i did wrong,well,more wrong, with the 4 layer,it was inverting the tools,so the mail nicks faced in.
i had to redo,lined up some holes on my hi-tech polymer assembly station,helped in getting the assembly started.

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getting there.

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final layer.

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scales and pins,and i checked the tool orientation this time.

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scales masked,pins shortened,ready for peining.

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done.for now? maybe,maybe not.
all blades snap closed,except the awl and scissors.i'm working the action on those,might smoothen up over time.
the peining could have been better,but this was a new type of peining for me.i usually pein and grind clean after.
i enjoyed this,i plan on doing another in the not-so-distant future,so i can do a neater set.and work on expanding my skillset with this type of assembly.
thanks for looking.

MadPlumbarian · **Reply #1 on:** February 24, 2019, 09:51:36 PM

Best of luck, here’s mine, a little on the same idea but with a little twist,, I wanted the Philips, and rather then the awl I wanted a nailfile..
JR

kottskrapa · **Reply #2 on:** February 24, 2019, 10:10:05 PM

4 layer alox hit a nice sweetspot with both weight and thickness! You won't regret it.. Here is mine, not with scissors but with Phillips and mag

Looking forward to seeing your farmer X

[It's not failure if you learn something from it]

Humayd A R Mahomedy · **Reply #3 on:** February 24, 2019, 10:35:00 PM

those are nice.
definitely more projects for the future.
and i messed up and posted 2 threads of this.
mods,i apologise,it's late and i'm sleepy

MadPlumbarian · **Reply #4 on:** February 24, 2019, 10:54:08 PM

That doesn’t help, lol
JR

zoidberg · **Reply #5 on:** February 24, 2019, 11:25:00 PM

Quote from: Humayd A R Mahomedy on February 24, 2019, 10:35:00 PM

those are nice.
definitely more projects for the future.
and i messed up and posted 2 threads of this.
mods,i apologise,it's late and i'm sleepy

It's all good, I merged the threads.

FInixNOver · **Reply #6 on:** February 24, 2019, 11:31:38 PM

Nice work!
Make some mistakes, learn from them, repeat!
That's the way it goes! I'm sure you'll do even better next time!

Sent from my Redmi Note 5

Simyo · **Reply #7 on:** February 25, 2019, 05:16:03 AM

Nicely done man

Humayd A R Mahomedy · **Reply #8 on:** February 25, 2019, 07:09:31 AM

Thanks guys

hiraethus · **Reply #9 on:** February 25, 2019, 11:13:38 AM

Excellent work.

kottskrapa · **Reply #10 on:** February 25, 2019, 11:46:35 AM

Turned out great! Looks like a nice size

[It's not failure if you learn something from it]

Aloha · **Reply #11 on:** February 25, 2019, 03:53:35 PM

Quote from: FInixNOver on February 24, 2019, 11:31:38 PM

Nice work!
Make some mistakes, learn from them, repeat!
That's the way it goes! I'm sure you'll do even better next time!

plus it gives you more confidence to take on more projects, which could be a good thing

Humayd A R Mahomedy · **Reply #12 on:** February 25, 2019, 06:36:28 PM

Quote from: kottskrapa on February 25, 2019, 11:46:35 AM

Turned out great! Looks like a nice size
yeah,i like the heft,and extra function.

[It's not failure if you learn something from it]

i seem to learn a lot

thanks guys.

McStitchy · **Reply #13 on:** February 26, 2019, 01:00:25 AM

Great post Humayd

Great to see the whole process with trial and error.
With Alox I wouldn't dare manual penning.
But I see that even using a press is tricky.

Humayd A R Mahomedy · **Reply #14 on:** February 26, 2019, 07:19:00 AM

Quote from: MTMatt on February 26, 2019, 01:00:25 AM

Great post Humayd

Great to see the whole process with trial and error.
With Alox I wouldn't dare manual penning.
But I see that even using a press is tricky.

thank you.
the peining wasn't difficult,just have to be careful.
i need to experiment with different size dies for the press,there's plenty of weight behind it,but the die profile needs to be spot-on.