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Skeletool nylon washer observations.
on: April 17, 2019, 03:28:34 PM
Saw this on another forum

https://www.edcforums.com/threads/problem-with-leatherman-skeletool-cx.139114/

It’s got nothing to do with the WD40 he’s using. It’s due to the fact that the white washer is now a bigger diameter then it used to be and actually sticks out further then the lock face of the blade. So basically if the lock bar travels the full distance of the lock face the lock bar will take a small chunk out of the washer. Over time the washer will rotate round giving the appearance it’s been nibbled at.

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Anyone got an old and new skeletool to confirm this ?
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #1 on: April 17, 2019, 03:42:07 PM
From what I remember, that white washer (i dun know what material is that but it's ultra smooth) can tear. The original pivot hole is very tiny and it a cut out that matches the screw (male), so it's spinning on the screw's thread. So it can cut and wear over time. And, if over tighten, it can get caught on the pivot post and the screw itself. Over prolong use like that, the pivot hole will tear into a size equal of the pivot post but sitting in the position for the screw's thread... It's not sitting in the correct place anymore.. I know my explanation is confusing... I am confusing myself so I am going to give up explaining... :think: :ahhh :poh: Pics coming soon.

Dunc, what you observed is correct. Mine is tearing and soon its going to be a over sized washer not sitting in the correct diameter screw.

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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #2 on: April 17, 2019, 04:07:06 PM
Talk about a bad problem :facepalm: Sorry to all the guys that have Skeletools with this type problem  :ahhh Warranty is not always an option for everyone and this sucks :-\
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #3 on: April 17, 2019, 05:28:40 PM
I've got the CX with the bronze washer.  If I was using the older Skeletol I'd switch out that white washer for a bronze pronto. 
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #4 on: April 17, 2019, 05:40:36 PM
Quote from: Aloha on April 17, 2019, 05:28:40 PM
I've got the CX with the bronze washer.  If I was using the older Skeletol I'd switch out that white washer for a bronze pronto.

I think the CX have the white washer also... The bronze one is below the blade, white one on top between the blade and screw. I could be wrong though..
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #5 on: April 17, 2019, 05:42:23 PM
You are correct Sam. I just checked mine. :iagree:
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #6 on: April 17, 2019, 05:43:53 PM
I wonder if my first production regular Skeletool has the bronze or plastic washer  :think: I will check this evening if I remember  :salute:
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #7 on: April 17, 2019, 05:53:29 PM
Bronze washer on my at least 3 year old standard partially serrated model.   I do believe it might be a bit older than 3 years old. Our Tractor Supply never seems to move Skeletools. And they stopped selling them quite some time ago.

CRKT uses bronze washers on entry-level models, like the M-16 EDC (which is $20). So, why go to nylon on a $60 tool?  I've tore them before. I was replacing the clip on my SOG Kilowatt (clip attaches by means of the pivot and screw), and was having trouble  getting everything aligned back together. In the struggle, I absolutely wrecked the nylon washers. They're junk.    Anyone know of a good source for bronze washers?
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #8 on: April 17, 2019, 06:18:12 PM
All sleletools have one bronze washer and one white plastic washer.

The problem here is the liner lock bar is cutting into the white washer
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #9 on: April 17, 2019, 07:45:06 PM
Some Skeletools must have 100% lockup  :dunno:

There's no way the lockbar on my CX could  tear that washer.
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #10 on: April 17, 2019, 07:57:35 PM
Your lock bar doesn’t travel the full face of the blade, also you can even see your was in the photo, is it an older model ?
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #11 on: April 17, 2019, 08:27:13 PM
It has a plastic one as well as the bronze,  just hard to photograph it.


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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #12 on: April 17, 2019, 08:36:10 PM
Quote from: SteveC on April 17, 2019, 08:27:13 PM
It has one just hard to photograph  it.


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Have 2. There's 1 more between the screw and blade..  :think:
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #13 on: April 17, 2019, 08:46:58 PM
Quote from: Sam Lim on April 17, 2019, 08:36:10 PM
Have 2. There's 1 more between the screw and blade..  :think:

I meant it has one plastic washer as well as the bronze one.
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #14 on: April 17, 2019, 09:00:12 PM
Steve your plastic washer definitely looks smaller in diameter then the newer ones.
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #15 on: April 17, 2019, 09:07:14 PM
I can't remember but is there a way to date Skeletools ?
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #16 on: April 17, 2019, 09:10:48 PM
Quote from: Dunc on April 17, 2019, 03:28:34 PM
Saw this on another forum

https://www.edcforums.com/threads/problem-with-leatherman-skeletool-cx.139114/

It’s got nothing to do with the WD40 he’s using. It’s due to the fact that the white washer is now a bigger diameter then it used to be and actually sticks out further then the lock face of the blade. So basically if the lock bar travels the full distance of the lock face the lock bar will take a small chunk out of the washer. Over time the washer will rotate round giving the appearance it’s been nibbled at.

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Anyone got an old and new skeletool to confirm this ?

Very good observation Dunc  :tu:
I don't have a Skeletool, but I wonder if any other LM tool was fitted with nylon/teflon washers?

Quote from: Sam Lim on April 17, 2019, 03:42:07 PM
From what I remember, that white washer (i dun know what material is that but it's ultra smooth) can tear. The original pivot hole is very tiny and it a cut out that matches the screw (male), so it's spinning on the screw's thread. So it can cut and wear over time. And, if over tighten, it can get caught on the pivot post and the screw itself. Over prolong use like that, the pivot hole will tear into a size equal of the pivot post but sitting in the position for the screw's thread... It's not sitting in the correct place anymore.. I know my explanation is confusing... I am confusing myself so I am going to give up explaining... :think: :ahhh :poh: Pics coming soon.

Dunc, what you observed is correct. Mine is tearing and soon its going to be a over sized washer not sitting in the correct diameter screw.

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Yikes, you've explained it very well. That's not good, isn't it?   :-\
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #17 on: April 17, 2019, 09:11:31 PM
Quote from: SteveC on April 17, 2019, 08:46:58 PM
I meant it has one plastic washer as well as the bronze one.

 :facepalm: wasn't reading properly..
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #18 on: April 17, 2019, 10:37:57 PM
My CX...






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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #19 on: April 17, 2019, 11:02:17 PM
Quote from: Poncho65 on April 17, 2019, 05:43:53 PM
I wonder if my first production regular Skeletool has the bronze or plastic washer  :think: I will check this evening if I remember  :salute:

Both. And I have the original first run CX. Small brass one between blade and frame and big plastic/rubbery one between blade and screw.
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #20 on: April 17, 2019, 11:11:19 PM
Quote from: enki_ck on April 17, 2019, 11:02:17 PM
Both. And I have the original first run CX. Small brass one between blade and frame and big plastic/rubbery one between blade and screw.


This is the condition of the plastic washer on my heavily used original first run Seletool CX bought in 2008 (I switched the combo blade to a PE one some years ago) .... so no, the bigger diameter of the plastic washer is not a problem and won't become a problem with use. :salute:



Quote from: Dunc on April 17, 2019, 03:28:34 PM
Saw this on another forum
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What other forum? :ashley:


Dunc, have you been seeing other forums behind our backs? :megaslap:




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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #21 on: April 18, 2019, 06:03:47 AM
I'll have to take a closer look on mine.  Good info in this thread.   :salute:. 
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #22 on: April 18, 2019, 11:53:59 AM
This pic is a little clearer and you can see where the lock bar is cutting into the nylon washer

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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #23 on: April 18, 2019, 12:19:47 PM
Forgot to look at mine :facepalm: I should have the similar washer setup to, enki though :salute:
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #24 on: April 18, 2019, 01:02:56 PM
This is the 3rd skeletool I’ve seen like this , all were 2018 dated
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #25 on: April 18, 2019, 01:52:15 PM
Looks like they are grinding too much off of the back of the blade tang which results in the lockbar being too far over  :think:
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #26 on: April 18, 2019, 02:43:27 PM
Ok, I see it now. Wow, new blades shouldn't have 100% lockup. Not even close. :/ Heck, my 11 year old much carried, much used, much played with blade locks up at about 60/70%.
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #27 on: April 18, 2019, 02:50:03 PM
While the lock bar travels the full distance on the blade lock up is still rock solid
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #28 on: April 18, 2019, 02:51:08 PM
While the lock bar travels the full distance on the blade lock up is still rock solid
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Re: Skeletool nylon washer observations.
Reply #29 on: April 18, 2019, 03:23:27 PM
We heard you the first time too :P

Yeah, for now, but with time, no guarantees it will stay so solid.
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