Leatherman Free P2/P4 Club and Feedback Thread

[gerleatherberman]

Great classification system, AW!


Guilty of A and D here.

[Top-Gear-24]

You are very right  .  I do think however that the fine folks of MTO have the best of intentions when discussing these tools.  I'd like to think we have some influence when the makers decide what next to build?  Pretty sure we dont << pointing at you Victorinox >>. 

There will always be one side no matter the perceived or real criticism that will be influenced to buy as a result of these discussions.  They will have to see for themselves is their view.  We dont represent the vast majority in terms of how we view these tools.  While many here are heavy users or regular users even a greater many are enthusiasts that just like discussing these terrific mechanical hand held objects. 

If on any level we can spark one or all of these makers, dare I say ignite these makers to not become complacent then we have done any and all MT aficionados, users, collectors, gift buyers, and every other type right! 

Yes we moan and take the piss out of these makers but we also buy.  We promote and we offer IMO a valuable resource to the makers and end users. 

Again you are very right in your post and I absolutely liked it very much  . 

I would love to walk into that bar myself and listen to them 

I do seem to remember hearing things like "I want a pioneer with scissors", or "How hard can it be for Victorinox to put scissors into the 93mm knives" or "Looking for someone to mod my pioneer with some scissors ..." here over and over again some time ago. 

And which tool became "MTO multitool of 2016" again  .

Not saying that was on us, but then again, when are we ever really sure we were the ones who got something done  .

[Top-Gear-24]

Here are some pics of my Free P4 (pics taken indoors with smartphone and bad lighting conditions ...)




No, it's not a typo, 199,95€ ... 



So much cash, and not even a new Leatherman logo sticker ... 






Even though I'm not from the U.S., seeing U.S.A. on the pliers of a new Leatherman again after all these years did give me goosebumps (okay, my Limited Edition PST's also have U.S.A. on the pliers, but the PST is not really a new tool now is it?).

[Wspeed]

 

[gregpost]

I'm not sure...

We've got quite a diverse mix here, really. We're got...

A) Those that want to catch them all
B) The eager newcomers
C) The tinkerers, who aren't happy till they've put their own tweaks on a tool.
D) The heavy tool users
E) The occasional or light tool users
F) The settled ones, who tried all they want to, and are now content with a chosen few
G) The ones that we probably influence the most. The lurkers, who come here not to talk, but just to soak up all the diverse rambling of those who do post.

H) The searcher. I have plenty of multitools that I use but I feel like I still don't have a perfect edc multitol. Still searching.

[gerleatherberman]

Here are some pics of my Free P4 (pics taken indoors with smartphone and bad lighting conditions ...)

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No, it's not a typo, 199,95€ ... 

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So much cash, and not even a new Leatherman logo sticker ... 

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Even though I'm not from the U.S., seeing U.S.A. on the pliers of a new Leatherman again after all these years did give me goosebumps (okay, my Limited Edition PST's also have U.S.A. on the pliers, but the PST is not really a new tool now is it?).

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Very nice!

I can't believe yours didn't have a sticker. The P4 I got had one.
Maybe they forgot.

I feel the same way. LM had gone so long without a country of origin stamp. Good to see it on the pliers and blade of the P2/P4. 


In the time being, I can't stop flicking/folding the tools and pliers in and out on the P4. Such sweet satisfaction.

[AimlessWanderer]

H) The searcher. I have plenty of multitools that I use but I feel like I still don't have a perfect edc multitol. Still searching.

[Top-Gear-24]

Here's the first thing I tested ... 

[tosh]

I just cannot get over just how expensive this tool is 
Leathermans have always been costly to us Brits, but the RRP on the FREE series takes it to a whole new level. But yet, I honestly cannot see what the gain is over existing models? To me, it still sounds inferior to the Wave. 

[Top-Gear-24]

I just cannot get over just how expensive this tool is 
Leathermans have always been costly to us Brits, but the RRP on the FREE series takes it to a whole new level. But yet, I honestly cannot see what the gain is?

To be honest, I don't see anything that could justify the +50€ that the Free P4 cost more than the Wave + over here.

Don't get me wrong, I like it and I won't return it to the shop (even though I have a 30 days return option), but I bought this tool in the first place as a collector, not as a user. 

Because the user in me has been happy for ages now with the tools he has, I own something between 40 and 60 plier based multitools now (not counting SAKS), and I only really use about 8 of them, being one of my Spirits, one of my Swisstools, one of my New Waves (model before the + version), one of my Wave +'s, one of my BO Charge +'s, one of my Surges, one of my ST300's, and one of my Rebars.  Oh, and a Style CS.

Would the P4 be enough for somebody, let's say someone new to multitools, who only wants to buy one tool to fill all his needs ?  I think so.  But then again, so would a Wave +, or a Surge, or a Spirit, or ...  Well, we are a bit spoiled aren't we ?

So I like it, but I believe a price between the ST300 and a Wave + would be more appropriate.  Maybe in a couple of years, when Leatherman has its R&D and new machinery investment back, they'll drop the price to the correct level.
But as a collector, I'm thrilled I own one, and it is big fun to fiddle with  .

[tosh]

Cheers Top-Gear-24

As curios as I am. I'm going to resist buying this just yet. It's not going  anywhere.
Like I posted before. I reckon this will be part of LM's 40th anniversary tool set,

If I'm honest. I don't particularly like it - aesthetically it does nothing for me. That's probably because its such a radical step away from what we normally see from LM. The blade profile reminds me of the Gerber Balance which I edc at work and loathe. I don't care for 3D drivers either.

But one for the collection would probably be good...I'll wait and see

[gerleatherberman]

Here's the first thing I tested ... 

That needs to be posted to LM's facebook, and the giant biceps/small forearm-tattoo dude's page as well.

[Top-Gear-24]

That needs to be posted to LM's facebook, and the giant biceps/small forearm-tattoo dude's page as well.

 

 

[Syncop8r]

That needs to be posted to LM's facebook, and the giant biceps/small forearm-tattoo dude's page as well.

That a 4¼" tool won't fit into a sheath that is meant for a 4" tool? 

[Monrogue]

Here are some pics of my Free P4 (pics taken indoors with smartphone and bad lighting conditions ...)

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No, it's not a typo, 199,95€ ... 

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So much cash, and not even a new Leatherman logo sticker ... 

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Even though I'm not from the U.S., seeing U.S.A. on the pliers of a new Leatherman again after all these years did give me goosebumps (okay, my Limited Edition PST's also have U.S.A. on the pliers, but the PST is not really a new tool now is it?).

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Whoa you got one already?  How do you like it?

[Top-Gear-24]

That a 4¼" tool won't fit into a sheath that is meant for a 4" tool? 

That I'm willing to try something as stupid as that to stay clear from the grey sheath 

And in my defense, the Wave + has a bit of extra room between the sheath flap and the top of the Wave, and I thought the Free P4 with his 0,5cm extra would fit.

Edit: Just tested it again and with two hands I can close the snap-button.  And I'm quite sure that when I leave it in for a couple of days it will get easier to do, maybe I should get out my camera and tripod and do a new Youtube clip  .

[LoopCutter]

Congratulations Top-Gear on obtaining the P4. 

Or, did lovely Bride score that for you?

It is my impression that you have one fantastic partner who understands your passions and supports your hobby.

Now I am slightly jealous


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[Syncop8r]

Perhaps the Free and the grey sheath are very loyal and don't like to cheat on each other.

[LoopCutter]

Edit: Just tested it again and with two hands I can close the snap-button.  And I'm quite sure that when I leave it in for a couple of days it will get easier to do, maybe I should get out my camera and tripod and do a new Youtube clip  .

If wet the black nylon and then fit it over the P4 and snap it shut, heat with a blow dryer it should then stretch and fit will going forward. 

I would like to know if the P4 would fit tightly in a ST box style sheath. The length should not be problem, but, the width maybe.



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[SteveC]

Here's the first thing I tested ... 



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[LoopCutter]

Ok, here is a pic of my P2 clipped in front right pocket.(Image removed from quote.)


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Thanks for the picture of the tool pocket riding with clip. Much appreciated.

Is the clip removable? 

Does it hinder the feel at all when holding either the P2 or P4?

I liked the clip on my Wave as an option to carry, but not when using the tool, the clip just felt in the way to me!


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[LoopCutter]

Video not worky   

He may have taken it down, to update it since he did finally get it to snap shut. Maybe!


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[Brock O Lee]

How is the Free’s hand comfort when pressing down in pliers mode, compared to the Charge/Wave/Rebar?

The lock release tabs seem like a possible hot spot?

I also see 2 strange little nubs sticking out of the handle in the grip area?

[Top-Gear-24]

He may have taken it down, to update it since he did finally get it to snap shut. Maybe!


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I changed it so that only people who had the link could see it, at least that's what I thought I did.  But apparently I made it private...

 

It should be fixed now  .

[Top-Gear-24]

Congratulations Top-Gear on obtaining the P4. 

Or, did lovely Bride score that for you?

It is my impression that you have one fantastic partner who understands your passions and supports your hobby.

Now I am slightly jealous


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Thanks for the kind words mate  .

I didn't expect the Free P4 here until August or so (that's the date one of the websites where I normally buy my stuff gave me). So I was quite surprised to see it available on the site of a local outdoor store franchise.

And when I showed it to my wife she probably already knew where this would lead to... So she just saved me and herself a couple of hours (days) of beating around the bush... 

That's what 25 years together will do to you  .

[Ryo Saeba]

Has anyone found a good horizontal sheath for these? I want a P4 but without a sheath that carries the way I’d like it’d be a waste.

[LoopCutter]

Thanks for the kind words mate  .
~
That's what 25 years together will do to you  .

You are most welcome!

I know she is special, as you have share in other discussions. And I recall you meeting Tim Leatherman with the kids and pictures you shared. A good family bond. 

Also, I have a special one as well

This Friday, will be our 44th married + 2 yrs getting to know one another.

I know, Off-Topic!   Carry on.



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[Top-Gear-24]

Whoa you got one already?  How do you like it?

I like it, and fit and finish seems to be great but...

Do I think it's such a game-changer as Leatherman and others claim it is?  No...

The locking mechanism is not as easy as it looks, at least not to me (maybe more fiddling is needed).

I also don't like the fact that they changed the position of the serrated knife compared to the Wave/Surge tools.

The tools on the awl side are very thin, I'm not saying this is going to be a problem, but they do feel a bit flimsy (if they should turn out to be easily damaged, there's always Leatherman famous warranty, and since I purchased it through an official Belgian dealer the Belgian Leatherman  importer should help me with that without extra cost this time  ).

But I don't want to sound too negative, because I've been playing with it all day and it is fun, and I do like it, but not so much that I'm going to put my Wave in the drawer and forget about it.  In all honesty, If I could keep only one tool it would probably be my Surge or my Swisstool, not the Wave or the Free P4.

Just my 2 cents at this time, I haven't put it to work really, except for using the scissors and the Phillips two times.

[Top-Gear-24]

You are most welcome!

I know she is special, as you have share in other discussions. And I recall you meeting Tim Leatherman with the kids and pictures you shared. A good family bond. 

Also, I have a special one as well

This Friday, will be our 44th married + 2 yrs getting to know one another.

I know, Off-Topic!   Carry on.



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Yep, meeting Tim Leatherman was special for all of us, and he did seem to appreciate the fact that my whole family was there and they all shared my tool/brand enthusiasm.

Congrats on finding  such a good Misses yourself mate, 46 years together  .

 

[clown]

For those of you that have gotten your Free series tools already, can you open the implements with leather work gloves on?

 From what I've been reading it sounds like you can actually use everything one handed (which is enough of a selling point for me to buy one) but I was curious if they work with gloves.   I may give the P4 a shot at replacing my ST300 for work EDC.  Thanks!