Leatherman Free P2/P4 Club and Feedback Thread

[gerleatherberman]

My P4 has no date codes, and I'm probably going to wait a while before I get a second one, first of all to make sure it's one with date codes and second because they are quite expensive over here...

And that's also the reason why I probably won't go for the P2 (probably being an important word in that sentence  ).

Yeah, I am feeling the money-hurt after buying three Ps. Yeah, they're cheaper here, but when I start to add them up. 

And you're going to need to get a P4 very soon, or the one you probably won't get will have date codes.

[Raoul Octav]

I do not know how many of you are familiar with the Sonic Movie redesign story.
 In short, the design of Sonic has been received with so much critic that the movie studio stated they will redesign Sonic to be more like the video game Sonic . Movie will be released this autumn.
My idea, not to start any beef with you or LMN, is me ... as a user,
 to have a saying in the design of a multi tool
( i tried saying that to LMN with the mods thing, mods to do yourself at home via official kits (they did hat thing with the engraving, 1-2y after my inittial email(not that i was the rootcause))
I fell that this way we can get faster to the Supreme Multitool, yeah..i know i'm a dreamer,
yet just imagine something where you can customize, adjust to your specific needs, with no grinding, cannibalizing other multitools etc etc.
Anyway, what do you say, could we persuade LMN to issue a second series of LMN FREE P4 with the below:

I have no problem with the lack of a bit holder, yet a ST300/Rebar Philips screw driver would  solved this as there is the bit adapter for that specific tool.
Also, a carving on the end of the pliers head, to support the bits would have solved the issue too.
Surge Tshank is a must from my view. To be mounted on the side, where the saw rests. It gives you more freedom, the file(diamond coated) can be free and you can use it for sharpening your blade in a specific scenario, you can also use aftermarket metal saw, not just a wood saw, and it would solve that comedic small , fingernail -file -ruler that everyone says it’s useless.

[gerleatherberman]

Nice recommendations, Raoul! But, a minor correction on a statement you made about the file.

The P file is double sided, one side cross cut mild and the other single cut aggressive. Much more useful than the file/ruler thing on the Wingman/Sidekick/Rev.
The comedic "ruler"(which we know is there to pad the tool count), on the P2/P4, is on the medium flat driver implement that includes a small wire stripper at the base.

Edit: Photos of the mentioned implements.

[temo]

Aloha categorised tool well, fun to play with tool Seems toolset vice example rebar is not so strong so update need is not from that perspective. I really wait K and T to come out. Those are in size I could EDC fun to play with tool. And sure do unexpected tasks so without underrating tool properties.

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[nwoody]

Hello there, i have ordered a P4 and can't wait to get it. Today or tommorow.
Anyway... I heard that LMN will/is shipping free (no money) pocket carrier for the users who have bought a P4, cuz this one has a lanyard.
Is yhere any truth behind, should i stress lmn support?

I emailed leatherman about this asking if it was true, and they must have looked up my email to see if I was a customer. They ended up sending the pocket clip kit out right away and I have received it already...no charge. I posted some pics of it a few posts back. Pretty cool as it isn't even available on their website yet last time I checked. I didn't get a chance to try it out though as I had to send my P4 along with a charge TTI in for warranty yesterday.

[NetsNJ]

Wow nwoody that is amazing service,

Leatherman gets too much crap from people, I am consistently impressed with them.

[gerleatherberman]

 


I emailed LM about a pocket clip and got this back:

I will get that out in the mail to you.

 

Janel Malcomson

Leatherman Tool Group

Consumer Support SpeSmurfpillst

5226 NE 152nd Place

Portland, OR  97230

800-847-8665 X484

503-408-5484-direct line

[nwoody]

I emailed LM about a pocket clip and got this back:

Basically the same response I got. Never got a tracking number but it did show up a few days later.  The customer service does seem amazing. I've been pleasantly pleased the couple times I've previously used the warranty service, granted I did send in retired tools, so got brand new tools back instead of repairing mine. Sent in an old wave and got a brand new wave + back and also sent an old broken PST and got a brand new rebar back. My P4 and charge tti are supposed to make it to them tomorrow, hopefully it doesn't take too long for them to repair and send it back! I already miss fidgeting with the p4.

[Dutch_Tooler]

Look what Santa UPS brought...

First brief impression is very nice and flickable, nicely loose pliers and good external tool extraction. Inner tools somewhat stiffer. Reminds a bit of an OHO Spirit.

No date stamps in the handles, dispatched by BladeHQ on the 3rd of May. Maybe they're still working on their first-prod batch.

Dilemma, nay, quandary... user or collection? I don't actually collect as such...

[Wspeed]

Nice one D_T
I would use it 

[Syncop8r]

Dilemma, nay, quandary... user or collection? I don't actually collect as such...

Use, because that's what (multi)tools are for. 

[Dutch_Tooler]

Yeah, leaning that way anyway and I personally have little use for shelf queens - YMMV. I'm also not about to buy another one just for the sake of collecting, although I can see the appeal that collecting per se might have for others... but I digress.

Surely, the idea of a P series challenge will have come up. When will we be able to earn the badge?

[Top-Gear-24]

Wow nwoody that is amazing service,

Leatherman gets too much crap from people, I am consistently impressed with them.

I will send them an e-mail tomorrow when I get home from work asking the same question, let's see what will happen.

If Leatherman U. S. A. is going to handle it for me by sending me the pocketclip themselves it will probably be okay.

If, on the other hand, they redirect me to the Belgian Leatherman site I'm basically scr*wed...

I'm still waiting for their response to my previous e-mail, in which I asked them if they knew when the new Free P4 tool would be available in Belgium, and what the retail price would be... 

[JustinCase]

P4 comes with pocket clip included

https://www.leatherman.com/free-p4-585.html?dwvar_585_color=10&cgid=multi-tools#start=1

[Dutch_Tooler]

That is good news, just too late for me, unfortunately. I'll get one when they sell as accessory.

A little bit of handling revealed an interesting fact, namely the slight asymmetry in the position of the dividing walls between the tools on one side and not on the other. Probably important for those who want to mod the tool. Although using existing implements from other tools might be difficult due to what looks like a very unusual pivot/tang profile...

[gerleatherberman]

Congrats, D_T! 

I'm in for a challenge at some point. 

Good luck on the clip acquisitions, D_T and T-G! 

[Dutch_Tooler]

Thanks! Will report once I get hold of the clip.

[gerleatherberman]

 

[shadow78]

Hi All,

I kind of follow this topic since the tool is out and agree but also disagree with some comments. Anyway I could not hold myself back longer and managed to put my itching hand on a P4. 
First impression is as others said it’s a good tool. But definitely didn’t worth the asking price, not in the UK anyway.
I’m missing the changeable bits, the file looks short but quite aggressive even feeling it with my hand. The most useless tool on it the ruler. My model has a bit of a stiff pliers jaws pivot. Not sure if that’s the same with others I hope it would brake in soon. Time would tell how can this serve as an edc I guess.

[gerleatherberman]

My first P4 pliers were perfect, but the second one has tight pliers. Sometimes, with LM pliers, crushing some stuff behind the pivot(what the crimper is) will expedite the loosening. I go back and forth crushing stuff in the jaws and crushing stuff in the crimper. After quite a few cycles, they even out. If that doesn't do the trick, then time/usage for breaking in will be the only way. My Surge took months to break in.
But, that said, better tight then loosen, than loose then sloppy.

[Top-Gear-24]

Congrats, D_T! 

I'm in for a challenge at some point. 

Good luck on the clip acquisitions, D_T and T-G! 

I've just e-mailed Leatherman U.S.A. to ask when/where I could find these pocket clips in Belgium (and I also added that my P4 didn't come with a sticker of the new Logo, as seen here and on some youtube unboxing videos).

I'll keep you guys posted when I get an answer  .

[ZapWizard]

I emailed info at leatherman today, with my order number. They replied a few hours later saying their will ship me a belt clip.

[Top-Gear-24]

I emailed info at leatherman today, with my order number. They replied a few hours later saying their will ship me a belt clip.

But you guys ordered directly from Leatherman U.S.A. right ? 

I ordered mine at a Belgian outdoor store (official Leatherman dealer, probably the most important dealer in Belgium and also the store that Tim Leatherman himself visited back in 2016 to do some engraving and meet and greet session).

I added a printscreen from my order history from this store, showing how I ordered a P4 on the 26th of April, maybe that will do. 

Anyway, I would already be happy if these pocket clips were available for sale over here.

[Wpgwave]

Returning my P2,
The little retaining tab inside broke off.
Not sure how the hell that happens!




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[ZapWizard]

The little retaining tab inside broke off.
Not sure how the hell that happens!

That little double bend in the sheet metal might be a weak point. Especially if they formed the tab using two sheet metal operations and not a single pressing. Just the same as bending a paperclip back and forth.
My CAD model isn't perfectly accurate, but it looks like they put the first bend in to move the  around the can opener. Than they put in a second bend to match the angle on the pliers.
If you close the tool with the pliers open, these little tabs close them for you, but it should not be enough force to break that tab, unless it was already cracked.

[Dutch_Tooler]

Sounds like a plausible failure mode Zap...

Sorry that happened Wpgwave, hope it gets replaced soon!

[Wpgwave]

You can see a line in the center of the broken half, it looks like it may have been cracked.


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[AimlessWanderer]

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That little double bend in the sheet metal might be a weak point. Especially if they formed the tab using two sheet metal operations and not a single pressing. Just the same as bending a paperclip back and forth.
My CAD model isn't perfectly accurate, but it looks like they put the first bend in to move the  around the can opener. Than they put in a second bend to match the angle on the pliers.
If you close the tool with the pliers open, these little tabs close them for you, but it should not be enough force to break that tab, unless it was already cracked.

Agreed! I reckon it'll be coined in one hit, but that's still a fair bit of metal strain for a short return bend like that. When I was working in the drawing office with hydraulic folding machines, the golden rule for folding was 8x material thickness for the length of each bend . I never worked with press brakes though, so I don't know their true limitations before there's a risk of a tear.

You can see a line in the center of the broken half, it looks like it may have been cracked.


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Exactly what I thought 

[Blackbeard]

Thats the piece where the date stamp is on GLBM's newer sample 

[gerleatherberman]

Thats the piece where the date stamp is on GLBM's newer sample 

Excellent thought. 
I will check the bend and thicknesses of the pliers return tabs in a bit.


We've got two recorded issues now.
1. Scissors tang not cut correctly and pulling out with the drivers in one example.
2. Pliers return tab broken off in one example.