Just curious of people’s opinion
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So.Do I buy a P4 or go for a signal? I have numerous LM's and love them all but...the P4 here in the UK is £190 (or $239) I have had a protracted (and painful) email exchange with LM Customer Service who essentially, have told me to f*#k off, as it's down to the retailer to set their own price (despite redirecting me to their preffered supplier here in the UK) I appreciate that we, in the UK, are not alone in being ripped off by Leatherman but, if it was $239 in the US would you still buy it?I really would like one but, short of a trip to the US, I can't bring myself to pay such a mark up to a company famed for it's customer service (in the US anyway)Thoughts please...
Well, both the Free P4 and the Signal cost too much for what they are in my opinion. Both of them get beaten by the Wave in usability every day of the week and twice on a Sunday.Having said that I should add that I own a Free P4 and two Signals ... The Free P4 has a huge fidget factor but does nothing that the Wave couldn't do (okay, it has an "awl/flat-srewdriver thingy" which the wave doesn't have). But like I said, it's fun to play with and looks great, that's for sure.The Signal is a bit of a niche tool, for EDC I prefere the Wave, but when I go hiking in the woods, I tend to lean towards the Signal, for a couple of reasons. First of all I love the fact that I can clip it to a strip on my backpack with the carabiner. I love the fact that you have a ferro rod and whistle on you just by bringing your multitool along (yes, you can buy both ferro rods and whistles that are better than the ones found on the Signal, but you could say that about every implement on every other multitool as well). And it has an awl which the Wave doesn't have. You do have to give up the mini screwdriver on the Wave which I've used in the past to set the declination on my compass while hiking, but now I just put the small screwdriver that came along with my compass (Suunto) on the lanyard of the compass itself, like it's supposed to be.If I had to choose between the two, and I already owned a Wave, Charge or Surge, I would go for the Signal (especially since they've dropped a bit in price since they first came out). They used to cost 179 Euro at first, now you can easily find them for around 150 Euro, still expensive, but not as bad as the 179 Euro they used to go for.P.S.: If you're looking for a tool with a large fidget factor, I would also suggest checking out a Swisstool, pure mechanics on them, no sneeky tricks on them like magnets and stuff to get them to click when you close them, pure mechanics ... Just my own humble opinion, as always .
Definitely don't pay the equivalent of $239 for the P4. Maybe wait for some second hand examples to start popping up later this year on eBay(with intl shipping options)? Maybe retail will drop by then as well? As far as recommending it, I can honestly say it is the only tool that I didn't get bored of fiddling with after a couple of weeks. It is still fun for me to play with and use. Swisstools are cool and all, but you absolutely have to use both hands to operate it effectively, which really dampens the fidget factor(for me anyway, since I usually mess with the MT/knife in one hand while surfing the internet on my phone with the other).
Thanks for your input on this I did look at the Swisstool options (I've been told how good the workmanship is) However, they don't seem to have the one handed opening that my Surge, Wave, Skeletool etc...do (unless someone knows different) That feature is quite important to me as I need it for the day job, Customs (and my volunteer role, SAR) which is odd given that my Vic Rescue Tool does?What we seem to lack, here in the UK at least, is a physical store that one can visit and actually handle the damn things and compare them (even a single outlet supplier, i.e. a Leatherman/Gerber store) I know there is a Vic' store in Bond St (central London) but, due to lack of one handed operation, is of no use to me Could be the Signal then...
Nope, no one hand opening on the Swisstool, which, for my situation at least, is a huge advantage. Since this means it's legal in most of the countries I visit (or pass through) while on vacation. And I don't really need OHO for my job.Again, please don't get me wrong, the Free P4 is a fun tool, and I'm even thinking about buying another one (I know that, until I own a back up for the collection, I won't use mine full out ... ). But ... for the 199,95 Euro I could get myself so much other nice stuff. Another topic here turned my attention to the Coyote Rebar (from which I could buy two for the price of one Free P4, and still have some cash leftover). Or maybe get a Coyote Rebar and another BO ST300 (since I don't use my current one, because it's the cap crimper version and I only have one BO ST300 at the moment ). And I've also been looking at a Coyote Signal for a long time (But I don't like the fact that you can't buy the black ferro rod and diamond coated file for those, which means ones the are worn out you would have to replace them with the yellow ones (or try to put the ferro rod from a yellow one back in the plastic part of the worn out black one).Choices .
Which means ones the are worn out you would have to replace them with the yellow ones (or try to put the ferro rod from a yellow one back in the plastic part of the worn out black one).
Dude, obviously you buy some yellow spares to begin with and put those in as users.At home you put the original ones back in when it goes back on display.Duh! Newcomers
When I replied earlier today, I don't think there were any votes for "hate" of the P2/P4. Now there is one. I'd be very interested to find out if the person who voted "hate" today actually owns the thing.
Grown ups are talking here .@SurgeUk: In Germany OHO knives are a no go (at least that's what I was told), even though you can carry a fixed blade up until a certain length. And Germany is one of my vacation destinations, and when it's not, we do have to cross it to get to Austria, Switzerland, Italy, etc ... I don't know all the knife laws in Europe, but carrying non OHO ones seems like a safe bet.@ Nick: You know I'm just messing with you right ? I wouldn't dare to start a fight with one of my fellow countrymen her. By the way, can you imagine the look of a coyote Signal with the yellow parts on it . Even if it was just so you could use them ... .
Anyone who bought one at full retail will just have to learn to love it ... No turning back when you've coughed up that amount of money ...
Unfortunately, you and I paid vastly different retail. Mine was cheaper than a Charge TTi. Leatherman needs to get their smurf together with the international distribution and pricing situation. The P4 should be €145-€150. IMO. Still expensive, but not insane.
Sorry, did I start a war It seems that I'm stuck with paying UK/EU prices then I often travel to Italy and France so I might just have to have a look there and see if I can pick one up cheaper, although probably not (the Mafia is big in Oregon )Any thoughts on a possible alternative, must be OHO and of a suitable quality (and be a P4 )
Oh and just to be clear.Tapatalk doesn't show polls. So that hate vote came from anyone but me.I don't hate any actually branded tool.No need for insinuating things that didn't happen.
Hi thereFor those , like me, not in the US find a trustworthy friend in the US. Buy the LM on line from the LM store, ship to your mate who can then post it on to you.I think if you spend over 75 US LM will ship for free to the US so that also helps. It is then up to you to reimburse your mate which is easy enough .I have done this a few times now .Easy as !
I like your thinking but, as a UK Customs Officer (CBP in the US) I can't ask someone to circumvent the law for me, and nor would I. That could involve legal action against them (unlikely) and prosecution for me (VERY likely) It's a sh#t load of money to pay but not worth my inegrity/job I'll just have to wait for a trip to the US or for LM to do the right thing (I'll start looking for cheap flights then ) Anyone got a spare bunk..