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What are your SAK pet peeves? 1309

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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2019, 10:30:46 PM »
I just wish I could buy any color scales I wanted directly from Vic...  :dunno:
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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2019, 10:41:36 PM »
I agree. They could easily open a direct sales channel for spares in the major markets, but I expect they will not support this idea because the scales are technically not user replaceable. What they could do is allow their approved resellers to sell scales to the public and to let them offer a replacement scale service.
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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2019, 01:11:33 AM »
Alox scales that accommodate a toothpick. 

And maybe carbon fiber spectacle frames that have miniature SAK-like multitools magnetically mounted on the temples.  Seems like that would sell.  ;-)
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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2019, 04:59:54 AM »
Fix the tweezer hole on classics so it stays in there without me having to put tape on it

Put brighter LED's in models that have them

Replace hook with package opener/strap cutter, I have never used the hook

Make back scale tools less of a nailbreaker, maybe increase height by a smidge

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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2019, 05:54:47 AM »
Camo scales with plus option.  Models like the Craftsman brought back that show a obvious demand based on auction site sales I've seen.  It seems like the more useful they are to me without nonsense I won't use, they more apt they are to be limited run or collectibles that are harder to find.  I don't understand that.  That's the point they are missing larger volume sales. 

One comment I read was about letting people customize their knives.  They are never going to do this.  It will take away market value of anything they might produce in limited runs that they know people want.  (Deluxe Angler, Master Fisherman, etc..you know... combinations that are useful, well-rounded and make sense for the purpose intended)  It's aggravating, but I'm sure that's why it won't happen and it would also make the collectors (purists) that is a given market for them with new models throw up their hands and say "I'm out" at that point.  This is also the reason they aren't going to let you pick the scales as many of the knvies hold their value in the scales, not the tool combination. "I'd like a Fisherman with blue scales please..." 

There are certain tools, like the scales, that should be more readily replaceable with snap fit (like the magnifying lens)  If you felt like changing them out, you could also choose 8x or 5x power as well.  (Also - the pop out lens version was a horrible idea) What would be really nice is a lens with even more power for use as a fire starter, and plus scale model with a small ferro-rod instead of the pen.   
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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2019, 06:27:46 AM »
Some good comments and ideas CraftsmanSAK.  :iagree:
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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2019, 07:06:37 AM »
One nice touch they could incorporate is the scale protector that you peel off that they use on the evo models, be cool if this was standard.

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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2019, 10:11:04 PM »
I would like to see some SA's with scales made of carbon fiber, or G10.  Maybe, replaceable jaws on their multi's would be a good idea too!  Just my two-cents. :P

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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2019, 10:23:20 PM »
Good suggestions Blackbeard and eTripper.  :tu:
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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2019, 10:38:11 PM »
Despite the claims of manufacturer Albis Plastics, I feel the cellulose-acetate based Cellidor is way out of date for a scale material. By the 1960s, American cutlery firms moved from cellulose acetate based synthetic scales (which can, quite easily shrink, warp, and crack) to the far more hardy Delrin (which was actually developed with use as a knife handle in mind). And many others use Zytel.  But, according to the manufacturer, Cellidor is plant-based, and thus "green" and "sustainable". Maybe that's why Vic is sticking with it, even though better synthetic scale materials were developed more than 50 years ago. The impact resistance isn't great (I'm always dealing with chipped scales on SAKs I use a lot), and not to resistant to gasoline and other chemicals. Yet, I have never seen a knife with broken Delrin scales; but dozens of SAKs with Cellidor.

 Nylon scales are far hardier, grip better, and seeing as they're mostly used on budget models, apparently cheaper to produce. But we only see them on budget models, StayGlow, and most 111mm.


As for replaceable cutters--don't see the point. The SwissTool has one of the hardiest MT plier heads, and replaceable cutters would lessen that.
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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2019, 10:51:54 PM »
Yes, the Cellulose acetate butyrate (CAB) topic is certainly near the top of the list!  :iagree:
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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2019, 12:11:34 AM »
Cellidor has its downsides, I agree. Nylon scales are certainly more robust in all ways, but Vic doesn't make plus ones.

Solid cellidor scales do break, yet are much stronger than hollow ones. My venerable Swisschamp with solid scales arrived with the exposed liners at the can opener end bent to heck from what must have been a very nasty drop. The scale has a large chip at that end and a smaller one at the other end beside the tweezers, on a liner I couldn't straighten. The other scale has a small fracture between the pen and toothpick.

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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2019, 01:11:58 AM »
I agree! The magnifier is fun for about 5 minutes and then you want something far more useful.

Nooooo  :ahhh

I wouldn't mind a SAK which has another tool against the in-line Phillips, as long as they keep selling the ones with the magnifier glass as well.
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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2019, 01:21:19 AM »
Bring back the bail on all knives.

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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2019, 01:40:29 AM »
Bring back the bail on all knives.

Big fan of them, but then you'd have those who whine because the blade got chipped when it struck the bail. I've had TL-29 type knives since I was old enough to carry a knife (in fact, a Colonial electrician was my second knife), and learned to pay attention.  And then, the scales would not be user replaceable any more. I think they'd do better including them on Alox.
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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #45 on: May 17, 2019, 02:08:00 AM »
My biggest pet peeve with Victorinox is the fact that the Delémont Saks are still so much more expensive compared to their Victorinox  counterparts...
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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #46 on: May 17, 2019, 05:38:21 AM »
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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #47 on: May 17, 2019, 06:53:25 AM »
My biggest pet peeve with Victorinox is the fact that the Delémont Saks are still so much more expensive compared to their Victorinox  counterparts...

This. :iagree:

And if they did Toothpick & Tweezers with wooden scales.

EDIT

And there isn't a Delemont Pocket Tool Chest either

I'm done...
« Last Edit: May 17, 2019, 08:52:28 AM by Fast Bill »

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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #48 on: May 17, 2019, 04:47:08 PM »
This. :iagree:

And if they did Toothpick & Tweezers with wooden scales.

EDIT

And there isn't a Delemont Pocket Tool Chest either

I'm done...

 :iagree:  By far the most popular Wenger here I believe.  And most of Wenger's quirky special tools never carried over. The clip point blade and the flat Phillips (replacing the nail file I never use) were two prominent ones.
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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #49 on: May 17, 2019, 06:00:56 PM »
I don't really have too many pet peeves regarding Victorinox. For the most part, I love their stuff. Just some minor nitpicks from me.

  • I do really wish that multiple colors of alox were standard. The silver is absurdly boring. Red and black Farmers and Electricians should always be available.
  • I do wish that Victorinox would do better than the standard 93mm alox keyring. It's in a bit of an uncomfortable spot. I'd love for them to develop a new spot for the keyring, that could be swapped with an optional pocket clip, and put on all 93mm alox models. 
  • Please fix that funky nail nick position on the Pioneer X scissors, please. 

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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #50 on: May 17, 2019, 06:04:15 PM »
I don't really have too many pet peeves regarding Victorinox. For the most part, I love their stuff. Just some minor nitpicks from me.

  • I do really wish that multiple colors of alox were standard. The silver is absurdly boring. Red and black Farmers and Electricians should always be available.
  • I do wish that Victorinox would do better than the standard 93mm alox keyring. It's in a bit of an uncomfortable spot. I'd love for them to develop a new spot for the keyring, that could be swapped with an optional pocket clip, and put on all 93mm alox models. 
  • Please fix that funky nail nick position on the Pioneer X scissors, please. 
Agreed with the alox colours and keyring (bring back the bail!).
But the nail nick is like that so that it will work on the 111mm line. Changing that would mean that they have to make yet another distinct scissors part.

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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #51 on: May 17, 2019, 06:08:50 PM »
A better blade steel would great, even something like 12c27 that shouldn't increase costs much.

I'd also like to see more Alox models in standard production, like the Rambler (or a Cadet with scissors...).
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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #52 on: May 17, 2019, 06:57:28 PM »
It would be really sweet of Victorinox was to do a limited re-release of old alox patterns each year.

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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #53 on: May 17, 2019, 07:05:32 PM »
My biggest pet peeve is the lack of new models in the 91mm line.  They keep discontinuing models, but they haven't added a regular-production new one that's stuck in a long time.

Also, I would love something more useful opposite the inline Phillips, like an 0/00 inline Phillips, perhaps.

Agree with others on cellidor and custom knives.

And bring back the Vagabond! :)

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But wouldn't the resultant layer just be kind of a discount bit driver layer? BTW it could be less premium priced.


Little nitpick that came to mind, the small blade would be neat if it was a different type as the main. Overall for a Swiss Army Knife there's a serious lack of available blade types in the 91mm line.

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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #54 on: May 17, 2019, 09:04:26 PM »
...especially when you look at the many blade types available with the 111mm range.  :iagree:

Good points all.  :like:
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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #55 on: May 17, 2019, 11:42:00 PM »
Put the keyring on the Classic on the other end of the knife! That way I can use the blade without having to hold a fistful of keys while doing so!  :bnghd:
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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #56 on: May 17, 2019, 11:48:35 PM »
My only peave/wish is an explorer with a saw instead of scissors.
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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #57 on: May 18, 2019, 04:26:09 AM »
Read through the list, so far, and I can agree with pretty much all of them.

My main gripe is that if you want to actually carry one of the limited edition series knives is that the design wears away too easily.  CraftsmanSAK mentioned camo scales... Well carry one around and before long they're simply black scales.

There should be a better way to maintain the design.

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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #58 on: May 18, 2019, 09:07:00 AM »
My only peave/wish is an explorer with a saw instead of scissors.
I do agree! I also wish they make an alox version.. But in the mean time it's quite a simple mod to do your self





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Re: What are your SAK pet peeves?
« Reply #59 on: May 18, 2019, 09:13:59 AM »
I have read every post here and I do agree with some and disagree with others.

I do wish they made the explorer with saw as standard tool, makes much more sense

More alox tools on alox models, change the keyring nub on the same.

Sell custom versions from the factory, maybe even loose tools and 93mm awl for the 91mm line

I have no problem with the steel on the SAK, or aluminum liner and celidor scales. I love that it's a tool that I can use and abuse, touch up the blade on the back of a coffie mug and just keep going without worrying that I destroy something that worth a lot of money. No shelf queens here but users and if one break beyond repair or gets lost I just get another one.

And I don't want the tip of the drivers to be polished, I want them ruff to get a better grip

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