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SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared

us Offline Barry Rowland

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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #60 on: June 11, 2019, 08:54:48 PM
 :like: That's great Max!  I'm looking forward to it!
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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #61 on: June 12, 2019, 11:18:19 PM
Here’s the cm scale...the vintage Champ is 0.46mm short, which is quite a lot (5% on the first cm). The current model is OK-ish (0.24mm long)...

Great job, Max, on making the comparison chart.

An observation must be made, however about the Chinese calipers. I would not trust any caliper with plastic parts and digital indicator, their tolerance may be all wrong. Try mechanical one, if you have it. Also I would suggest to make measurement between the lines (cm or inch) not from the tip.
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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #62 on: June 12, 2019, 11:26:29 PM
Some good points maxt.  :iagree:

I do have an analogue caliper so will check again. I was more interested in the misalignment of the engravings against the start of the tool, than the actual accuracy of the spacing along the ruler...the tool is generally used to measure from the tip.

But thanks for the feedback  :hatsoff:
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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #63 on: June 12, 2019, 11:32:47 PM
Though, if the digital calipers show correct on one example, then they show incorrect on the next example(and the result is repeatable multiple times), one must assume one of the two scalers is incorrect.  :dunno:

Not that is all that important. I mean, who uses a SAK scaler to measure accurately to 0.5MM?  :dunno:
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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #64 on: June 12, 2019, 11:39:14 PM
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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #65 on: June 13, 2019, 12:04:17 AM
Not that is all that important. I mean, who uses a SAK scaler to measure accurately to 0.5MM?  :dunno:

I hate to confess, but I did it. Even used the mag glass to align the centers of the lines on the SwissChamp to the edges of the piece I measured.

I do have an analogue caliper so will check again. I was more interested in the misalignment of the engravings against the start of the tool, than the actual accuracy of the spacing along the ruler...the tool is generally used to measure from the tip.
The manual is very confusing - it is supposed that the measurement must be not from the tip, but from the bottom of the groove and the pensil tip  ))
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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #66 on: June 13, 2019, 04:47:07 AM
I guess I take for granted that I usually always have a measuring tape or stainless pocket ruler with me.
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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #67 on: June 13, 2019, 06:56:18 AM
I hate to confess, but I did it. Even used the mag glass to align the centers of the lines on the SwissChamp to the edges of the piece I measured.
The manual is very confusing - it is supposed that the measurement must be not from the tip, but from the bottom of the groove and the pensil tip  ))

Like many, I don’t read manuals.  :facepalm:

The manual’s instruction introduces even more problems with accuracy.
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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #68 on: February 03, 2020, 04:19:24 PM
that's pretty darn cool Max,
i'm quite taken by these kits,having acquired an incomplete 1st gen kit last July. 
my kit is missing most of the stuff,i bought a sharpening stone and compass,and added a Maglite Solitaire.
the needle and thread,a single safety pin and some plasters were in the pouch.
i plan on getting the current gen for myself and my son later this year,and then looking for another 1st gen.
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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #69 on: February 03, 2020, 04:47:15 PM
My SOS
Mine only has the compass on the ruler and the side flaps are not Velcro but tuck into leather loops. The SC is the older 4 line stamped blade. Any ideal on date or about when? No 1/2 mark after the 7


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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #70 on: February 03, 2020, 08:47:25 PM
Very nice Humayd and Rapidray  :like:
The SOS kits are super cool.  :salute:

What is the pivot like on the pliers Rapidray?
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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #71 on: February 04, 2020, 01:07:34 AM
Pivot is solid - not quite sure what you are asking.


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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #72 on: February 04, 2020, 06:00:52 AM
Sorry, I did not explain very well.  :facepalm:

And the pdf I need is awol at the moment. But a good indicator of the very early SC is the shape of the plier pivot.  :salute:
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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #73 on: February 04, 2020, 06:33:46 AM
FWIW, I think the early kits sold with the knives were marked ‘(COLOR) SURVIVAL KIT’

I have one that’s ‘86 production from its original owner. Has the small ‘v’ tang stamp.

And I like your list of 60 changes, but I consider things like the grooved spring change to count as one change, but your list has it in 4 item places since you are counting both scissor and pliers for both the spring and tool groove.

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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #74 on: February 04, 2020, 02:10:49 PM
Sorry, I did not explain very well.  :facepalm:

And the pdf I need is awol at the moment. But a good indicator of the very early SC is the shape of the plier pivot.  :salute:
All 3 of the SC have this style pivot. So there is shorter and smaller Phillips head judging from the gap between the tip and the magnifying glass.
Thanks for showing the photo differences!  :like: :cheers:


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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #75 on: February 04, 2020, 06:17:04 PM
This is the doc kamakiri mentioned. Lists key difference with cut-over dates where they're known. This can help date your SC. The green rows are the most common visual differences used.  :salute:
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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #76 on: December 15, 2022, 04:36:14 PM
Hi Max, Knights and SOS Kit fans and owners,

I have just corrected what I believe to be a mistake in the Wiki on the SOS kit codes

We did have 1.8812 listed as the code for the dual pouch and unknown code for the SOS kit with maglite

Someone just made a post on Facebook for an SOS kit - with maglite - in its box - and its model code was 1.8812 which led me to check the Wiki and then do some more research on the net. 

I am now pretty sure that 1.8812 is the model number for the SOS kit with maglite and 1.8816 is for the dual pouch -
This makes sense numerically and ties in with your OP Max.
Also I believe suffix (Uhr) is the SuperTimer version of an SOS kit.

So I have updated the Wiki
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=SwissChamp

Please chip in folks - if you have any other knowledge


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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #77 on: December 15, 2022, 07:04:36 PM
Thanks for your work Huntsman!  I love the SOS kits.  They mean adventure to me!!
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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #78 on: January 03, 2023, 06:42:43 AM
Thanks Huntsman for for your tireless work on the Wiki. A good pickup on the SOS kit!
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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #79 on: January 04, 2023, 06:02:42 AM
Thanks Max and Barry for the appreciation   :tu:    ....   I am always on the lookout for updates, errors, enhancements !!
So your comments make it all worthwhile   :D   

To Barry - Yes the SOS kits are great, unique and fun -
Not sure I would ever use one in anger - If I am out hiking or climbing I tend to have my own safety and emergency gear (head torch, fitrst aid kit etc) and a smaller SAK. But the kit would be great for base camp.

I do have one SOS kit in my collection from 1986 ..... still in its box - So that is pretty special and unfortunately will have to stay as shelfware  :(


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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #80 on: January 22, 2023, 04:08:09 PM
A couple of years ago this set was offered for sale in the Netherlands. At that time I hdid not have not the necessary Euro's to buy. When I had, the set was already sold  :(
However, I saved this picture.


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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #81 on: January 22, 2023, 04:58:10 PM
That's usually what happens to me when offers like that appear.  That's a beautiful set.
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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #82 on: January 22, 2023, 11:55:06 PM
Wow - That is pretty special

EDIT: Hey - Can we put this piccie in the Wiki?
I guess it was originally someone else's - But is a pretty regular style image, so could use - I could credit eBay! ?  ???
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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #83 on: January 23, 2023, 02:39:26 AM
It sort of tickles me that a comb would be considered a necessity in a survival package.  :)
I guess good grooming is needed everywhere.  :hatsoff:
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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #84 on: January 23, 2023, 07:12:06 AM
It sort of tickles me that a comb would be considered a necessity in a survival package.  :)
I guess good grooming is needed everywhere.  :hatsoff:

But of course good sir, imagine if you didnt look like your photo when searchers found you, they might think you a scruffy imposter  :rofl:
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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #85 on: January 23, 2023, 09:03:59 PM
Hi Max, Knights and SOS Kit fans and owners,

I have just corrected what I believe to be a mistake in the Wiki on the SOS kit codes

We did have 1.8812 listed as the code for the dual pouch and unknown code for the SOS kit with maglite

Someone just made a post on Facebook for an SOS kit - with maglite - in its box - and its model code was 1.8812 which led me to check the Wiki and then do some more research on the net. 

I am now pretty sure that 1.8812 is the model number for the SOS kit with maglite and 1.8816 is for the dual pouch -
This makes sense numerically and ties in with your OP Max.
Also I believe suffix (Uhr) is the SuperTimer version of an SOS kit.

So I have updated the Wiki
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=SwissChamp

Please chip in folks - if you have any other knowledge

I think you were on a right way but you somehow took a wrong turn...

1.8810 is a product number for Kit A and that's fine.
1.8812 is a product number used for both Kit B (Kit A + Maglite in slightly wider single pouch) and Kit C (dual pouch). I think the turning point was 1991 when they released Kit C (called Big Survival Kit) that replaced Kit B. Kit A was renamed to Small SOS Kit.
1.8816 is a product number for Kit C that contained a SuperTimer.

I'll write a more detailed post on those kits as soon as  I find some time.  :cheers:


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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #86 on: January 24, 2023, 07:01:28 PM
Who knew there was more to it that dual pouch and single pouch.  Y'all do such great work.  I am so thankful as I'm sure other are as well.  The bouncing of information back and forth to get it right is commendable. 

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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #87 on: January 24, 2023, 10:12:31 PM
 :iagree: I love seeing this stuff!  It's great to learn all of the different variations there are out there Vic wise.
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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #88 on: January 25, 2023, 06:36:31 AM
I think you were on a right way but you somehow took a wrong turn...
.......

I reworked the section....
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=SwissChamp

Better ?   ???


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Re: SOS! Two vintage Survival Kits compared
Reply #89 on: January 25, 2023, 12:27:32 PM
I reworked the section....
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=SwissChamp

Better ?   ???

Looking great mate!  :cheers: I have some more info I need to revise before posting, to avoid any mistakes. In the meantime, here are the two photos of Kit A pouches, to fill in some blanks in SAKWiki Galery (my photos, my pouches, and my permission to use it in Wiki, as always)  :salute:
EDIT: What do you think of making a separate page for these Survival/SOS Kits? With some additional info I have, "You're gonna need a bigger boat"   :)
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