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Hmmmm Legit or Not?
on: October 15, 2019, 08:05:04 AM
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Re: Hmmmm Legit or Not?
Reply #1 on: October 15, 2019, 08:52:49 AM
 The clones are pretty damn good, but is the steel really S30v.

It’s the same with spyderco, seen some advertised on amazon that I could not be sure were 100% authentic.
That’s why now I will only buy from trusted knife dealers like knives and tools and heinnie haynes.
My trouble is i never show initiative, but that's only because no one has told me to.
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Re: Hmmmm Legit or Not?
Reply #2 on: October 15, 2019, 12:48:11 PM
Cap started a thread several years ago about fake Spydercos. Fakes are a big problem.
What? Enablers! Are you serrrrious? Where? I dont see any.
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Re: Hmmmm Legit or Not?
Reply #3 on: October 15, 2019, 01:54:36 PM
Almost certainly fake.

Not sure if that waterproof, but the copyright symbol next to the butterfly on the blade is way too large (this has also found to be true in other Benchmade fakes). Picture 1, original on the left.
The blade seems too small (although my matchup is not perfect). Grindlines are quite different. Original on top of the fake. You can see, the spine:grindline:edge ratio is quite different.
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Re: Hmmmm Legit or Not?
Reply #4 on: October 15, 2019, 02:04:44 PM
Matching the pivot and trying to orient the knife the same way.
You can see the handle matches pretty well, though in the original (red shape), the pivot is a bit further forward. I'm fairly confident in claiming that the original has the larger blade.

If I match the blade you can see the handle is significantly smaller... so, in the fake the blade to handle ratio does not match.
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Re: Hmmmm Legit or Not?
Reply #5 on: October 15, 2019, 02:05:46 PM
I think the easiest to spot is the grind line... seems to be a detail that is often not quite right in fakes.
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Re: Hmmmm Legit or Not?
Reply #6 on: October 15, 2019, 03:30:18 PM
Wow...they are getting really good at making fakes!  :facepalm:
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Re: Hmmmm Legit or Not?
Reply #7 on: October 15, 2019, 03:48:20 PM
Yes they are.  Many are very difficult to tell the difference.  Price is my first indicator for a new knife.  If its too good to be true........   
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Re: Hmmmm Legit or Not?
Reply #8 on: October 15, 2019, 04:21:35 PM
One thing I have always said about international trade is that something needs to be done about bootlegs/counterfeits. Seems very little is being done. eBay is super-complacent about it; even with action from the manufacturer of the authentic item, they do little if anything. And I highly doubt a customs agent would be able to spot fakes of most of the items being sold.   

Of course, used is where it gets sketchy. Of course, no one fakes an Old Timer or most any Camillus; but when I'm getting increasingly into Spyderco and Benchmade as of late, it's getting tough. I try to buy only from people whom I know that they know what they've got and aren't trying to pass it off as authentic when it is not.
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Re: Hmmmm Legit or Not?
Reply #9 on: October 15, 2019, 04:47:00 PM
If you think the counterfeit knife trade is bad the bogus wrissmurfch business is akin to Goliath next to David.

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Re: Hmmmm Legit or Not?
Reply #10 on: October 15, 2019, 08:08:45 PM
Quote from: Ray S on October 15, 2019, 04:47:00 PM
If you think the counterfeit knife trade is bad the bogus wrissmurfch business is akin to Goliath next to David.
Oh watches go to a watch shop and the back gets popped off to see the workings!   :cheers:
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Re: Hmmmm Legit or Not?
Reply #11 on: October 15, 2019, 09:18:55 PM
Quote from: Rapidray on October 15, 2019, 08:08:45 PM
Oh watches go to a watch shop and the back gets popped off to see the workings!   :cheers:
I've picked up a couple of replica watches over the years.One was a replica of a Breitling Bentley that I wanted the bracelet to replace on a real Breitling.It was an automatic movement that keeps great time and is very difficult to tell from a real one.The only down side to it is that it is NOT water resistant.When it gets damp outside moisture forms on the inside of the crystal.A couple of dessicant bags take care of that.
Another one was an A.Lange & Sohne moon phase watch that is a dead ringer for the original down to the markings and the appearance of the movement(clear back)but also suffers from non water resistance.
I bought them used in a pawn shop for less than $100 & $50 respectively each.Considering the originals are about $14,000 and $27,000 respectively I think I did all right.I also do not try to pass them off as originals;I just like the looks of them.

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Re: Hmmmm Legit or Not?
Reply #12 on: October 16, 2019, 02:49:38 AM
Quote from: Ray S on October 15, 2019, 09:18:55 PM
I've picked up a couple of replica watches over the years.One was a replica of a Breitling Bentley that I wanted the bracelet to replace on a real Breitling.It was an automatic movement that keeps great time and is very difficult to tell from a real one.The only down side to it is that it is NOT water resistant.When it gets damp outside moisture forms on the inside of the crystal.A couple of dessicant bags take care of that.
Another one was an A.Lange & Sohne moon phase watch that is a dead ringer for the original down to the markings and the appearance of the movement(clear back)but also suffers from non water resistance.
I bought them used in a pawn shop for less than $100 & $50 respectively each.Considering the originals are about $14,000 and $27,000 respectively I think I did all right.I also do not try to pass them off as originals;I just like the looks of them.
In the past I have been tempted to get a fake Omega Speedmaster...it looked so real  :facepalm:
Think it was right at $100 at the time.
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Re: Hmmmm Legit or Not?
Reply #13 on: October 22, 2019, 09:38:37 AM
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Re: Hmmmm Legit or Not?
Reply #14 on: October 22, 2019, 10:00:57 AM
My goodness!!
If I could get a fake Mini Crooked River here, I'd get it just for the scales and throw the fake Benchy in my workcase.

Perfect for that!
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Re: Hmmmm Legit or Not?
Reply #15 on: October 22, 2019, 02:13:48 PM
Quote from: Etherealicer on October 15, 2019, 02:05:46 PM
I think the easiest to spot is the grind line... seems to be a detail that is often not quite right in fakes.

Better still, the logo position. In the original, it's under the thumb stud, right?
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Reply #16 on: October 22, 2019, 02:36:59 PM
Quote from: Mechanickal on October 22, 2019, 10:00:57 AM
My goodness!!
If I could get a fake Mini Crooked River here, I'd get it just for the scales and throw the fake Benchy in my workcase.

Perfect for that!

I wonder how well they would fit? I bought a clone several years ago of a Microtech LCC to switch out scales but found out the clone, although exact on the surface, was not compatible. However, if they are cloning these by copying the originals exactly, that would certainly work.

Sounds like it might be cheaper to deliver it here, then I send it to you from my address...if you wanted to chance the fit.
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Reply #17 on: October 22, 2019, 02:50:24 PM
Well yes, but it's taken offline again and I have no PayPal to buy it :rofl:

And this was the full size :pok:
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Re: Hmmmm Legit or Not?
Reply #18 on: October 22, 2019, 05:49:39 PM
Quote from: Mechanickal on October 22, 2019, 02:50:24 PM
Well yes, but it's taken offline again and I have no PayPal to buy it :rofl:

And this was the full size :pok:

My brother, I will keep an eye open for you. I am sure we can work out a way to get one and test it out.
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Reply #19 on: October 22, 2019, 05:59:26 PM
Woohoo!
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