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Alox vs "standard" durability

it Offline Stefano

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Alox vs "standard" durability
on: November 18, 2019, 03:26:16 AM
Hi guys, excuse my bad english.
I am a SAK novice, so far I have purchased various 58 mm model, a pair of Spartans, a Hiker, a Waiter.
I've never bought an Alox version, now I'd like to buy a Bantam Alox or a Cadet Alox.
I know that their grip is made of aluminum and this makes the knife lower but some video reviews on Youtube have made me confused (or maybe the Youtube_translation from English of the videos is bad?)

My question is this: is the Alox version as robust as the standard version, or more or less?
My initial thought has always been that the Alox version, in addition to having a lower thickness and weight, was also more robust than the normal version .. is it so?

Note: for sturdiness and durability - I do not mean the fear that the grip handle will be ruined but I mean the overall strength of the knife.

Thanks for every thought and sorry if I asked for something obvious but I would like to be sure before spending my money.


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #1 on: November 18, 2019, 03:36:36 AM
Certainly. Thicker pins, thicker tools, stronger springs. I haven't got extreme with my stuff, but Pioneer is my work knife. It has stood up to all kinds of stuff.


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #2 on: November 18, 2019, 03:43:02 AM
Your English is just fine, and even if it weren’t no apology would be necessary.

As Cody said, Alox models are more robust than their cellidor counterparts.

Both the Cadet and the Alox Bantam are terrific knives. They are very capable and remarkably thin.


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #3 on: November 18, 2019, 03:47:13 AM
Thanks, things like this (pins and springs) is just what I wanted to know.
Also be certain that the "side torsion" (example when using the multi-tool) is as good as the standard model.
I saw that the Alox models are really low!
Only 8 mm for Cadet and 6 mm for Bantam, do they hold equally well compared to a standard model but with greater thickness?


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #4 on: November 18, 2019, 03:49:36 AM
Your English is just fine, and even if it weren’t no apology would be necessary.

As Cody said, Alox models are more robust than their cellidor counterparts.

Both the Cadet and the Alox Bantam are terrific knives. They are very capable and remarkably thin.

My English is zero but after many years I may have learned to manage Google translator well ;-)
Thanks for the reply, now I just have to decide which of the two (or both) Alox models are a bit expensive but I really want one of them.


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #5 on: November 18, 2019, 04:08:30 AM
My English is zero but after many years I may have learned to manage Google translator well ;-)
Thanks for the reply, now I just have to decide which of the two (or both) Alox models are a bit expensive but I really want one of them.

Either of those will be excellent knives. The Cadet probably gives you a few more tools to choose from but the advantage to the Bantam is that it is super slim. Of course, the Cadet is pretty slim itself! One of my favorite SAKs of that size is my Alox Lumberjack. I have just found the woodsaw very useful on my walks and I have the Lumberjack in my small Otterbox survival kit.
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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #6 on: November 18, 2019, 04:25:39 AM
My English is zero but after many years I may have learned to manage Google translator well ;-)

I know exactly what you mean. Google Translate has done wonders for my German.  ;)


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #7 on: November 18, 2019, 04:37:50 AM
I would go for the Cadet. More usability and still pretty thin.  :tu:


it Offline Stefano

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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #8 on: November 18, 2019, 04:38:03 AM
Either of those will be excellent knives. The Cadet probably gives you a few more tools to choose from but the advantage to the Bantam is that it is super slim. Of course, the Cadet is pretty slim itself! One of my favorite SAKs of that size is my Alox Lumberjack. I have just found the woodsaw very useful on my walks and I have the Lumberjack in my small Otterbox survival kit.

I like the Cadet but I read some Amazon reviews where he complains that the file scratches the blade.
I wonder if even recent production has this defect.


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #9 on: November 18, 2019, 04:40:06 AM
I would go for the Cadet. More usability and still pretty thin.  :tu:

Thanks SirVicaLot
Do you have any information on this? : "I like the cadet but I read some Amazon reviews where he complains that the file scratches the blade.
I wonder if even recent production has this defect."


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #10 on: November 18, 2019, 04:48:44 AM
I just checked mine, and I have to admit that there seems to be a small area on the blade that gets scratched. I never noticed that until I just paid attention to it  :think:


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #11 on: November 18, 2019, 06:16:17 PM
Thanks, things like this (pins and springs) is just what I wanted to know.
Also be certain that the "side torsion" (example when using the multi-tool) is as good as the standard model.
I saw that the Alox models are really low!
Only 8 mm for Cadet and 6 mm for Bantam, do they hold equally well compared to a standard model but with greater thickness?

I'd say they hold better, because Alox is stronger than celidor. Even if thinner, metal is stronger than "plastic". You can easily break a celidor scale but you'd have a more difficult task in doing the same with an alox one (scales alone, not mounted in a knife).
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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #12 on: November 18, 2019, 06:45:50 PM
Between Bantam and Cadet, I'd choose the Cadet, because it has more functions, and feels better in the hand.
For a little more thickness, I would recommend the Pioneer, because .... awl! What a tool man!
If thickness isn't an issue, then Pioneer X, which has excellent scissors.
If you like smaller blades, then the Electrician, or the Rancher which replace the can opener with a small blade.
There is also the Farmer, a Pioneer with a saw.

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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #13 on: November 18, 2019, 07:00:48 PM
I just checked mine, and I have to admit that there seems to be a small area on the blade that gets scratched. I never noticed that until I just paid attention to it  :think:
Same thing on mine, I just ignore it. :rofl:
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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #14 on: November 18, 2019, 07:56:24 PM
I think its worth clarifying that the springs and tools on the 84mm alox knives are no different than on the 84mm cellidor equivalents and the pins are the same diameter.  I do think the 84mm alox knives will likely be stronger because the aluminum scales are thicker than the aluminum scale liners used on the cellidor models, and the pins are nickle-silver instead of brass.

Now, the springs and tools are indeed thicker on the 93mm alox range, and the scales themselves are thicker than those of the 84mm alox range, so they will be even more "sturdy."

All that said, for what I would be willing to use a folding knife for, I think the cellidor models are plenty strong enough.  If I need stronger, I go to a fixed blade.

I awlways recommedn the pioneer, as I truly think its the greatest pocket knife ever made.  The cadet is also a great choice.
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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #15 on: November 18, 2019, 08:18:53 PM
I awlways recommend the pioneer

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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #16 on: November 18, 2019, 08:40:06 PM
Silver Alox is pretty wear resistant and doesn't scratch much, so on a keychain it will wear better.
As for strength, I think you will only note the difference in the 58mm line. The Alox Classic (or if you are willing to do a little modding an Alox Rambler) kicks butt and then some. The price is of course that you no longer have the scale tools.
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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #17 on: November 18, 2019, 08:53:53 PM
When people talk about the alox being more robust, they are talking about the 93mm knives.  The Cadet and Bantam are 84mm knives.
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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #18 on: November 18, 2019, 09:38:51 PM
Great feedback everybody - Good luck with your quest/decision Stefano
It's hard!  - There are lots of choices and they are all good  :)

I think for the knife tool/body strength, as mentioned, the Cadet (84mm range) would be very similar to a plastic handled knife
Some folk are concerned with the plastic handles - As they can crack if dropped on a hard surface

Worth noting that the 93mm (Pioneer) range was initially known as the Sturdy Boy range
And was specifically marketed by Victorinox as being stronger for tough tasks.


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #19 on: November 18, 2019, 10:00:22 PM
Thank you all for the answers!


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #20 on: November 18, 2019, 10:03:45 PM
Worth noting that the 93mm (Pioneer) range was initially known as the Sturdy Boy range
And was specifically marketed by Victorinox as being stronger for tough tasks.
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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #21 on: November 18, 2019, 10:12:14 PM
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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
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Reply #23 on: November 18, 2019, 10:33:25 PM
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Re: Alox vs &quot;standard&quot; durability
Reply #24 on: November 18, 2019, 10:42:33 PM
I am no expert on the strength of SAKs, But I would say that the 84mm alox knives are at least as robust as the 91mm cellidor knives, with the 93mm alox knives being much more robust. One thing I love about my alox knives is the lack of liners between the layers. If you get gunk down in the tool all you need to do is open it up and rinse, then dry really good. I use a pioneer as one of my fishing knives for this reason. If I lost my fixed blade and needed to clean a fish with it, the knife would be very easy to clean afterwards.


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #25 on: November 18, 2019, 10:44:47 PM
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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #26 on: November 18, 2019, 10:45:37 PM
It will be a very difficult choice, Bantam, Cadet, Pioneer, Farmer.
All these Alox are beautiful .. and I can't buy them all as I would like


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Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #27 on: November 18, 2019, 11:18:00 PM
It will be a very difficult choice, Bantam, Cadet, Pioneer, Farmer.
All these Alox are beautiful .. and I can't buy them all as I would like
You can’t go wrong with a standard Pioneer to start your collection off. :tu: they are probably my favorite. Unless you see yourself needing scissors or a saw every day that is what I would get. Nowadays I carry a farmer when I will be outside all day and a Pioneer X when I will be in an office, but I don’t use the saw or scissors too often.

Another thought is getting a Farmer and pairing it up with a small, inexpensive tool that has scissors like a classic. Then you have the best of both worlds all the time.

You can’t go wrong no matter which option you choose!


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #28 on: November 19, 2019, 01:39:57 AM
Darn it guys  :twak:

I was so happy with the SAKs I had. Now all this talk about Alox makes me wanna buy some too! But which one(s)  :ahhh



I really like the blue Alox. How are they holding up in a pocket?


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #29 on: November 19, 2019, 01:46:01 AM
You win the thread  :drool:
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