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Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation

00 Offline Mechanickal

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Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
on: April 09, 2020, 01:23:25 PM
What drives us to buy knives and tools?

For most the "want" is probably bigger than the "need", if the latter even applies.
I know I, myself am guilty to that for sure.

Where does the want come from?
Materials used? Heritage of the brand? Brand love? Historic models?

Whatever the reason, this post today is about... Nostalgia!

I can imagine many former servicemen and -women got issued the misnamed "Demo knife" back in their military days of the past. Many got abused and tortured to the point they just gave up.
Though many survived and started a second life in a tackle- or fishing box.
Camillus was the first brand to produce the knife, some others followed.
To many, the Camillus will always be the one true Demo knife.


Whatever happened long after that initial period of overflood, it caused a fall in availability of the Original Camillus knives.
Prices have been going up, availability went down. Even though they're usually "only" around the $40-50 mark when found nowadays, they were worth pocket change just over a decade ago.

What happened next?
Colonial rebooted the design in this modern age and decided to release it to the general public, having everyone who wants one back out of nostalgia the option of filling the void.


Or didn't they?


Colonial front, Camillus back

The overall feel is quite similar, even though the diamond shaped holes are only superficial on the modern Colonial.
This does make the scales more pleasing on the eyes.
The overall size has been shortened and narrowed, allowing a little easier pocket carry without loosing functionality.
The bail is shortened, widened and rounded instead of flat; removing any chance of hardpoints on the bail.


Camillus left, Colonial right

Camillus up, Colonial down

Customer reviews online read about how the Colonial version feels better built in hand compared to what the former GI's can remember.
I disagree.

The Colonial seems well built, with only a small gap between a liner and backspring.
Not much of an issue since the original Camillus has that too :shrug: .
However, the rivets are peened way worse.
The heads feel like thick nailheads that can snag on the lining of your jeans. Consider me unimpressed!
The Camillus, however, has nicely rounded peens that sit flush with the scales.

No matter how nicely finished the Colonial can be otherwise, these rivetheads are truly horrible and bring an annoying feeling to the knife that could have been easily avoided.

The US mark on the scales are lasered on the Colonial instead of stamped.
I can believe the cost cutting factor, but a true Demo knife should have it stamped to my feel.
Especially when you consider the $47, MRSP in the US (add tax and import duties overseas) a stamp would have been a nice touch.

Colonial didn't only shrink the overall size of the tool, but also the inner tools like the cap lifter/screwdriver:



The can opener, which isn't marked as such on the Colonial:

No matter how silly it was, the lack of the can opener stamping leaves me a bit hanging again on the Colonial.

These tools were not shortened on the Colonial because of a lack of real estate. The Colonial isn't that much smaller that it should have such a drastically shorter opener layer to begin with.
It's simply because blade crinking was not used on the Colonial, where Camillus did.


The awls are about the same size even though my Camillus one might have been shortened. I have no reference myself to clear that up.



The Camillus used a rounded, sharp tipped awl that looks perfect for leatherwork whereas Colonial used a spiked, sharpened awl similar to Victorinox' design which could prove more functional in the 21st century.

Blade size and grind are similar, but the Camillus has it's nail nick way more upfront to the tip of the blade.


Camillus on the left, Colonial on the right.


Personally I prefer Camillus' original way, since Colonial's bottle opener is partially in the way of the nail nick to open the blade.

The writing in the Colonial blade is also lasered on, and will wear out with moderate use just like the "US" mark on the front scale.


All in all the Colonial is a good, everyday knife that'll do all the cutting you'd require from a Swiss Army Knife sized tool.
It does leaves me hungry about some details that make a Demo knife a Demo knife. Especially since some details wouldn't be that hard to add. It's a fun tool to see it "evolved" into a little more modern day knife but honestly; nice peening of the rivets alone would make a world of difference.

If you can pick one up for a good deal, do it! Just don't expect it to replace an OG Demo completely.
If you can't, I'd advise picking up a good condition Camillus for $60 over a new $47 Colonial any day.




As a side note, Colonial does not seem to have a US production facility any more, even though their knives are offered as "US made".

People requesting for more info from Colonial never got a reply, so it's their conclusion that these GI knives must be made in partnership with another US company.


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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #1 on: April 09, 2020, 01:54:17 PM
Nice write up and comparison !  :cheers:


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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #2 on: April 09, 2020, 01:59:26 PM
Nice write up and comparison !  :cheers:
:iagree:
I have a 1982 Camillus. They’re nice little knives, mine has a bit of a weak spring on one tool, otherwise fine, and I ground some of the hump off the back of the blade.
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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #3 on: April 09, 2020, 02:40:50 PM


Nice write up and comparison !  :cheers:

:hatsoff: thanks!

:iagree:
I have a 1982 Camillus. They’re nice little knives, mine has a bit of a weak spring on one tool, otherwise fine, and I ground some of the hump off the back of the blade.

Thank you!
Keep in mind not to fan the blades open in any other way but completely open or closed.
It's said that the backsprings can weaken or even break when opening a tool with the tool on the other side half open. :ahhh


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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #4 on: April 09, 2020, 04:57:06 PM
I enjoyed this post.  A friend really likes his demo knife but sadly lost it.  Once the flea markets open again I will hunt one down for him.  He was gonna buy one of the bay of fleas but I see them a lot so I said for him to be patient. 
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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #5 on: April 09, 2020, 05:37:29 PM
Good to know :D

They're like hen's teeth here...


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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #6 on: April 09, 2020, 08:47:11 PM
Nice review.  Because I was a fan of the Camillus Scout knife, I've always suspected I'd like the Demo. 

I like the extra belly on the blade for working on wood, and I've always liked the can opener. (comparing both to Victorinox)

Good to know they're not quite the same. 


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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #7 on: April 10, 2020, 09:25:26 AM

:hatsoff: thanks!

Thank you!
Keep in mind not to fan the blades open in any other way but completely open or closed.
It's said that the backsprings can weaken or even break when opening a tool with the tool on the other side half open. :ahhh
:hatsoff: I'll keep that in mind.
Andrew


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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #8 on: April 10, 2020, 07:14:26 PM


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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #9 on: April 21, 2020, 05:29:27 AM
Noah went to see the Colonial plant when he was in the area and found out that it had closed some time beforehand.  I don't know where production is anymore :think:
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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #10 on: April 21, 2020, 08:54:18 AM
Colonial went bankrupt in 2007.

Some time later the brand name was bought by a Chinese company who now uses to brand on mediocre Chinese made knives.


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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #11 on: April 21, 2020, 02:32:45 PM
Colonial went bankrupt in 2007.

Some time later the brand name was bought by a Chinese company who now uses to brand on mediocre Chinese made knives.

Isn't that the Camillus story?


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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #12 on: April 21, 2020, 02:33:58 PM
Isn't that the Camillus story?
Oops :facepalm:

I mixed up myself :rofl: you're right!

Ignore that last post from me.


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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #13 on: April 22, 2020, 01:08:16 AM
Very nice thread mechanical! I am a big fan of the old camillus demo knives, I myself have a 1973 era one that I got on Ebay, and used to have a Chinese made one from a sporting goods store. My grandfather still has his in his toolbox. Of the two, the Chinese one opened a lot smoother than the us one, but the steel was not as good, and the can opener soon broke after I bought it. I'll try to post some pics later when my computer is up and running :like:
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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #14 on: April 22, 2020, 01:16:25 AM
Here is a pic of the two of them side by side, the Chinese one is on the bottom of the pic, and you can see the broken can opener. Both of these are camillus knives, with about 45 years difference in quality
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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #15 on: April 22, 2020, 08:48:29 AM
:tu: thanks!


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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #16 on: April 22, 2020, 04:39:35 PM
Colonial went bankrupt in 2007.

Some time later the brand name was bought by a Chinese company who now uses to brand on mediocre Chinese made knives.

 :ahhh one of my first knives was a USA made colonial scout knife.
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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #17 on: April 22, 2020, 06:27:30 PM
Colonial is still around and making knives in the US


https://www.colonialknifecorp.com/


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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #18 on: April 22, 2020, 06:29:18 PM
Yup. Steve's right.
As pointed out earlier, it was Camillus who went bankrupt.


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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #19 on: April 23, 2020, 04:01:48 PM
Shame really how these companies ended.

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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #20 on: April 23, 2020, 04:26:21 PM
That’s a really great and informative video. Thanks for sharing.


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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #21 on: April 23, 2020, 05:13:36 PM
Shame really how these companies ended.



It really is a pity.  Camillus is one of the few brands of anything that I'm interested in.  I'd even buy one of their tacticool knives - but I don't know that it's even true to the brand. 

I have two of them.  I use both in the outdoors - the scout knife once in a very long while just to try it out... and a folding hunter for all sorts of campy things. 


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Reply #22 on: April 27, 2020, 11:28:56 PM
Yup. Steve's right.
As pointed out earlier, it was Camillus who went bankrupt.

 :oops: Whew! well at least one of them is still up and running
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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #23 on: April 27, 2020, 11:32:59 PM
Shame really how these companies ended.



It is. About a year ago the cutter i was stationed at did a port call in newport Rhode Island, and i went to see the colonial plant, only to find out it wasnt there anymore. When i heard this i though they had gone under like so many other great companies.
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Re: Camillus Demo knife vs Colonial reincarnation
Reply #24 on: April 27, 2020, 11:36:04 PM
It is. About a year ago the cutter i was stationed at did a port call in newport Rhode Island, and i went to see the colonial plant, only to find out it wasnt there anymore. When i heard this i though they had gone under like so many other great companies.
Strange, since this 2018 edition is marked "Rhode Island" ??


 

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