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What to buy as new pocket EDC.

Leatherman T4
2 (9.5%)
Victorinox Pioneer X
19 (90.5%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: January 24, 2020, 10:12:58 PM

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Help me decide.
on: January 21, 2020, 10:12:58 PM
Looking to downsize my pocket carry from a Leatherman P2.

Whittled my list down to the Leatherman T4 and Victorinox Pioneer X  :ahhh

Not both, just one, before anyone says it  :tu:

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Re: Help me decide.
Reply #1 on: January 21, 2020, 10:16:13 PM
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Re: Help me decide.
Reply #2 on: January 21, 2020, 10:49:07 PM
PX, no contest...  :salute:
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Re: Help me decide.
Reply #3 on: January 21, 2020, 10:50:16 PM
Considering your location and the local knife laws, and the fact that you wanna downsize: The Pioneer X.

Proven time and time again  :tu:

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Re: Help me decide.
Reply #4 on: January 21, 2020, 11:04:52 PM
Squirt  :whistle: ok ok PX  :tu:
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Re: Help me decide.
Reply #5 on: January 21, 2020, 11:19:52 PM
Pioneer X all the way. Perfect in every way and legal too.

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Reply #6 on: January 21, 2020, 11:21:23 PM
The Pioneer for sure is going to be a quality piece, and a little cheaper than the LM. Plus, 100% Swiss, not "assembled in USA" of parts from wherever.
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Reply #7 on: January 21, 2020, 11:57:01 PM
I'd go for the Pioneer X . UK legal for EDC and all the tools I use most.
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Reply #8 on: January 22, 2020, 02:19:14 AM
The Pioneer X  :cheers:
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Re: Help me decide.
Reply #9 on: January 22, 2020, 02:36:20 AM
Quote from: cody6268 on January 21, 2020, 11:21:23 PM
The Pioneer for sure is going to be a quality piece, and a little cheaper than the LM. Plus, 100% Swiss, not "assembled in USA" of parts from wherever.

Do you own a Free T4?  The T4 I bought was "Made in USA" according to the box.  It also says "designed & manufactured in Portland, Oregon."   Nowhere does it mention or imply foreign parts.
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Reply #10 on: January 22, 2020, 02:51:43 AM
Quote from: parnass on January 22, 2020, 02:36:20 AM
Do you own a Free T4?  The T4 I bought was "Made in USA" according to the box.  It also says "designed & manufactured in Portland, Oregon."   Nowhere does it mention or imply foreign parts.

I knew the P-Series had to have at least enough parts in them for LM to be able to mark the pliers as "MADE IN USA", but not the T-Series. That actually brings the whole line up a few marks for me.
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Re: Help me decide.
Reply #11 on: January 22, 2020, 02:57:25 AM
I bought the Pioneer X in May 2016 and Free T4 three years later.

Both are well built and have an impressive finish, but I prefer the Free T4 for a few reasons.  The T4 tools meet my needs better, specifically the Phillips screwdriver and file, which are missing from the Pioneer X.  I have no need for a can opener.  Your needs may be different.

Too, all the Free T4 implements lock very firmly.  I have had non locking screwdriver blades collapse under pressure while trying to drive screws into my barn's wooden walls and that was annoying.

The Free T4's large slotted screwdriver blade is thicker and better suited for prying than the thinner Pioneer X's blade.

The T4's pocket clip is an advantage to some owners, though I removed the clip because I prefer to carry my tools in a belt holster.  Good luck with whichever you choose.  They are good looking, well constructed tools.

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Reply #12 on: January 22, 2020, 08:20:56 AM
@ UK members,
Is it the OHO, or the lock on the main blade, or both, (or any other feature - blade length?) that makes the Free T4 illegal as EDC (out on the streets)?

Here's a frivolous thought: assuming it's only the lock, modding it to render it street legal might just be as simple as grinding off the locking surface on the main blade's tang/pivot area. Having said that, during any search on your person you would still have to explain this...  :think:
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Re: Help me decide.
Reply #13 on: January 22, 2020, 02:44:23 PM
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Reply #14 on: January 22, 2020, 02:47:22 PM
Quote from: magentus on January 21, 2020, 11:19:52 PM
Pioneer X all the way. Perfect in every way and legal too.

You can win one from hiraethus in his 7000 post thread in the Break Room  :pok: its orange  :ahhh
Thanks, I'll give it a go  :tu:
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Reply #15 on: January 22, 2020, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: parnass on January 22, 2020, 02:57:25 AM
I bought the Pioneer X in May 2016 and Free T4 three years later.

Both are well built and have an impressive finish, but I prefer the Free T4 for a few reasons.  The T4 tools meet my needs better, specifically the Phillips screwdriver and file, which are missing from the Pioneer X.  I have no need for a can opener.  Your needs may be different.

Too, all the Free T4 implements lock very firmly.  I have had non locking screwdriver blades collapse under pressure while trying to drive screws into my barn's wooden walls and that was annoying.

The Free T4's large slotted screwdriver blade is thicker and better suited for prying than the thinner Pioneer X's blade.

The T4's pocket clip is an advantage to some owners, though I removed the clip because I prefer to carry my tools in a belt holster.  Good luck with whichever you choose.  They are good looking, well constructed tools.

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Great info :tu:

I have the P2, I really like the tools and have used them way more than any other MT, just not using the pliers much, hence the downsizing.

I modified the knife to make it more UK friendly and would probably do something similar to the T4 but I look at the PX and think 'wow that's darn nice' and probably be just the ticket.

Anymore comparison pics of the two side by side, width etc  :pok:
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Reply #16 on: January 22, 2020, 03:10:27 PM
Quote from: Dutch_Tooler on January 22, 2020, 08:20:56 AM
@ UK members,
Is it the OHO, or the lock on the main blade, or both, (or any other feature - blade length?) that makes the Free T4 illegal as EDC (out on the streets)?

Here's a frivolous thought: assuming it's only the lock, modding it to render it street legal might just be as simple as grinding off the locking surface on the main blade's tang/pivot area. Having said that, during any search on your person you would still have to explain this...  :think:
Howdy, it's the locks and length that UK law currently recognise as non legal.

In the case of the T4 it's the lock, blade, length ok.

I have thought about modifying it, either by tinkering with the locking mechanism and back of blade notch. Or making the blade into a cutting hook like I did on my P2.
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Reply #17 on: January 22, 2020, 04:45:52 PM
Quote from: badwolf on January 22, 2020, 03:01:56 PM
Great info :tu: ...

Anymore comparison pics of the two side by side, width etc  :pok:

Here is another photo which compares the largest slotted screwdrivers.

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Reply #18 on: January 22, 2020, 05:21:27 PM
I like leatherman but my vote goes to pioneer  :tu:

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Reply #19 on: January 22, 2020, 10:32:03 PM
Pioneer X awl the way!!!!
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Reply #20 on: January 22, 2020, 11:11:30 PM
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Pioneer X awl the way!!!!

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Reply #21 on: January 23, 2020, 02:48:46 AM
Both are great, I alternate between the T4 and Pioneer X on weekends/after work. I mix in the S18 when I think I need a small saw (yard work, hiking, etc.).

I do think the T4 has tougher tools as the stock is thicker and having a dedicated 2.5D Philips driver has been very nice.

Honestly, I know you will be happy either way you go.

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Reply #22 on: January 23, 2020, 04:09:27 AM
I just bit the bullet and ordered a Pioneer X. So I guess that's which Candidate I'm backing :rofl: :tu:
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Reply #23 on: January 23, 2020, 04:10:32 AM
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Re: Help me decide.
Reply #24 on: January 24, 2020, 03:09:21 AM
Parnass makes a pretty good case for the LM, and I think the most useful difference in favor of the LM is the thickness of the tools. 

I would want to know that the thicker screwdriver is actually thin enough to fit into most screws.  One of my LM tools... Wave iirc, has a screwdriver that is sometimes too thick to for some screws... I don't hear anyone else complaining about this, so maybe it's just me. 

If you ask me though - Pioneer X

Can opener makes a decent Philips. 
93mm SAKs have a stronger backspring (than 91mm) so tools stay where you want them. 
You won't be bothered by the authorities with the easily recognizable blade, no need to explain to them that it's non-locking
The awl is going to be your best friend
Narrower overall form factor


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Re: Help me decide.
Reply #25 on: January 24, 2020, 05:46:27 PM
Pioneer X.  You can see my comparison between the two (and a Super Tinker) here:
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,83591.0.html
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Re: Help me decide.
Reply #26 on: January 24, 2020, 08:37:06 PM
Quote from: parnass on January 22, 2020, 04:45:52 PM
Here is another photo which compares the largest slotted screwdrivers.

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Thank you, surprisingly similar in size  :tu:
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Re: Help me decide.
Reply #27 on: January 24, 2020, 08:45:11 PM
Quote from: ElevenBlade on January 24, 2020, 03:09:21 AM
Parnass makes a pretty good case for the LM, and I think the most useful difference in favor of the LM is the thickness of the tools. 

I would want to know that the thicker screwdriver is actually thin enough to fit into most screws.  One of my LM tools... Wave iirc, has a screwdriver that is sometimes too thick to for some screws... I don't hear anyone else complaining about this, so maybe it's just me. 

If you ask me though - Pioneer X

Can opener makes a decent Philips. 
93mm SAKs have a stronger backspring (than 91mm) so tools stay where you want them. 
You won't be bothered by the authorities with the easily recognizable blade, no need to explain to them that it's non-locking
The awl is going to be your best friend
Narrower overall form factor
You make some very good points. I never realized the can opener made pretty darn good Phillips driver until someone here pointed it out.

Thanks for your input  :tu:
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JC PT&A

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Re: Help me decide.
Reply #28 on: January 24, 2020, 09:00:08 PM
Quote from: smiller43147 on January 24, 2020, 05:46:27 PM
Pioneer X.  You can see my comparison between the two (and a Super Tinker) here:
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,83591.0.html
Thanks for the link :tu:
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Re: Help me decide.
Reply #29 on: January 24, 2020, 11:30:51 PM
Pioneer X it is then but what colour :ahhh

Thanks MTO for all your input  :tu:
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