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UK Legal Carry Thread!
on: December 30, 2008, 08:00:19 PM
Ok if like me your tired of trawling the internet for interesting, but UK street legal edc how about we make a list of them here for easy reference for us poor oppressed Brits :)

Add your sugestions, and either Ben or myself will edit them into this thread to make life easier all round :)

So it's up to you fella's to make this idea work, so get listing :)

Folding knives

Spyderco Slip Joints - http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/list.php?category=18
Spyderco Slipit's - http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/list.php?category=16
CRKT Journeyer - http://www.crkt.com/journeyer-folding-knife?srch_pid=714&child=714&search_id=1132996
CRKT Liong Mah Folder - http://www.crkt.com/Design5-Folding-Pocket-Knife
CRKT Edgie - http://www.crkt.com/Edgie-Self-Sharpening-Knife-Razor-Sharp-Edge
CRKT Slip KISS - http://www.crkt.com/Slip-KISS--275-Blade-Razor-Sharp-Edge-Anthracite-Scales-Knife?&search_id=983345
CRKT Slip KISS II - http://www.crkt.com/Slip-KISS-2--2375-Blade-Razor-Sharp-Edge?&search_id=983345
Boker Buddy - http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=hhwpvl1009267&strParents=&CAT_ID=116&P_ID=3578
Boker Plus Subcom 42 - http://www.heinnie.com/boker-plus-knives-subcom-42
Boker Plus Nano - http://www.heinnie.com/Nano-42/p--8405/
Boker Trance 42 - http://www.heinnie.com/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry-Knives/Boker-Plus-UK-Legal-/Boker-Plus-Trance-42/p-92-641-765-5217/
Falkniven U1 - http://www.fallkniven.com/en/shop/details/462/22/folding-knives/slip-joint/u1c
Douk-Douk (small) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douk-Douk
Moki Thuja UK - http://www.heinnie.com/hy3ie71011594/Knives/Moki/Moki-Thuja-UK/p-92-175-1541/
Maserin Marinera - http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=849wem1030116&strParents=&CAT_ID=92&P_ID=2922&strPageHistory=search&numSearchStartRecord=49
Maserin Colt Temperino - http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4983
Kershaw Mini Biner - http://www.kershawknives.com/productdetails.php?id=480&brand=kershaw
Byrd Wings Slippit - http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=398
Byrd Tern - http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=679
Citadel Buddy - http://knives-citadel.com/displayKnife.php?id=65
SOG Micron - http://sogknives.com/store/micron.html
Sanrenmu H02 - http://www.sanrenmu.com/sanrenmu-h02.html
Opinel's No2-No5 - http://boutique.opinel-musee.com/index_uk.aspx?Globales%2fRZ=3473&Rf=ZUAML92QQQQQQWUJH4MPAQYFTQ&Param%2fIdGamme=1655&Param%2fIdFournisseur=10708&Param%2fIdMagasin=0&Param%2fIdProduit=7315&NumEtape=3
EKA Swede 90 - http://ekaknives.co.uk/folding-knives/609004-swede-90.html
EKA Compact - http://ekaknives.co.uk/folding-knives/703504-compact.html
SOG Contractor II - http://sogknives.com/store/EL-20.html
Fantoni Dweller - http://www.heinnie.com/fantoni-dweller
Enzo PK70 - https://www.brisa.fi/port...d=index&cPath=119_316

Many traditional style pocket knives are OK, just make sure that what you are looking at  has all the blades sub 3" and is non-locking.  Some makers to look at:
W.R Case - http://www.wrcase.com/index_en.php
A.Wright - http://heinnie.com/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry-Knives/A.Wright-UK-Legal-Knives/c-1-92-641-818/
Rough Rider - http://www.heinnie.com/knives-and-tools/folding-blade-knives/f/brand/roughrider/uk_friendly_carry/yes
There are many more traditional knife makers out there though.

Swiss Army Knives - All those with a blade below 3" and where the blade does not lock.  Below are a good selection.

Victorinox Soldier (make sure it's the 2 handed ALOX version) - http://www.victorinox.ch/index.cfm?site=victorinox.ch&page=234&lang=E
Victorinox Swisschamp - http://www.victorinox.ch/index.cfm?site=victorinox.ch&page=167&lang=E

Multitools

Bear and Son Bear Jaws/ Super Bear Jaws (those without locks) - http://www.multitool.org/miscellaneous-tools/medium-tools/bear-and-son-bear-jaws.html
Leatherman Juice series - http://www.leatherman.com/family/multi-tools/Pocket-Size_Tools
Leatherman Knifeless Fuse - http://www.leatherman.com/product/Knifeless_Fuse
Leatherman Squirt PS4 - http://www.leatherman.com/product/Squirt_PS4
Leatherman Squirt ES4 - http://www.leatherman.com/product/Squirt_ES4
Leatherman Style - http://www.leatherman.com/product/Style
Leatherman Style CS - http://www.leatherman.com/product/Style_CS
Leatherman Style PS - http://www.leatherman.com/product/Style_PS
Gerber Pocket Tool - http://www.gerbergear.com/Survival/Tools/Pocket-Tool_31-001050N
Gerber Shard - http://www.gerbergear.com/Essentials/Tools/Shard-Keychain-Tool_31-000400
Gerber Splice - http://www.gerbergear.com/Essentials/Tools/Splice-Pocket-Tool_31-000013
Gerber Vice - http://www.gerbergear.com/Essentials/Tools/Vice-Pocket-Tool_31-000021
Gerber Solstice - http://www.multitool.org/gerber/keychain-tools/gerber-solstice.html
Gerber Dime - http://www.gerbergear.co.uk/Essentials/Tools/Dime-Red_31-001040
Gerber Balance - http://www.gerbergear.co.uk/Essentials/Tools/Balance-Jaw-Tool-Gray_31-001250
Gerber Steady - http://www.gerbergear.co.uk/Outdoor/Tools/Steady-Tool_31-001043
Atwood tools (all bladeless models) - http://www.atwoodknives.com/
Swiss-Tech tools - http://www.swisstechtools.com/
Sebertech tools - http://www.multitool.org/Miscellaneous-Tools/Keyring-Tools/2008/01/11/sebertech-m3.html
CRKT Guppie - http://www.crkt.com/Guppie?&search_id=983567
CRKT Li'l Guppie - http://www.crkt.com/Lil-Guppie?&search_id=983567
CRKT Get-a-way driver - http://www.crkt.com/Get-a-Way-Driver-Torx-Set
Byrd Firebyrd - http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=207
Beretta Shotgun tool - http://www.heinnie.com/qp9l8i1009924/Pocket-Tools/Beretta/Berretta-Shotgun-Tool/p-94-400-2464/
Gatco/Timberline Frog Tool - http://www.multitool.org/miscellaneous-tools/medium-tools/gatco/timberline-frog-tool.html
Latshaw Pocketwrench II - http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=16106.0
Wenger Minigrip - http://www.multitool.org/Wenger/Small-Tools/2006/10/30/wenger-pocketgripminigrip.html

UK carry laws, in English!...


It is illegal to carry any sharp or bladed instrument in a public place (with the exception of a folding pocket knife, which has a blade that is less than 7.62 cm (3 inches)).

A lock knife is not a folding pocket knife and therefore it is illegal to carry around such a knife regardless of the length of the blade. A lock knife means a knife which is similar to a folding knife, in that there is a spring holding the blade closed. However, a lock knife has a mechanism which locks the blade in position when fully extended, the blade cannot be closed without that mechanism being released. A lock knife is not an offensive weapon per se (because these knives were made with a specific purpose in mind and not as a weapon). However, possession of a lock knife in a public place without reasonable excuse is an offence.

Possession of a multi-tool incorporating a prohibited blade/pointed article is capable of being an offence under this section even if there are other tools on the instrument which may be of use to a person in a public place (screwdriver, can opener).

The ban is not total, it is for the person in possession of such an instrument to prove on the balance of probabilities that he/she had good reason for its possession. It will have to be genuine, for example, someone back packing across the Lake District may reasonably be expected to have a knife for the preparation of meals. It will be far more difficult to justify on the streets of a city or town, but there will be occasions when someone is genuinely going to a martial arts sport or scout meeting (which is easily checked).

The penalty for committing this offence is a minimum prison sentence of six months, maximum four years and/or a fine.


The UK carry laws legal speak...

CJA 1988 – Section 139: Offence of having article with blade or point in
public place
(1) Subject to subsections (4) and (5) below, any person who has an article to which this
section applies with him in a public place shall be guilty of an offence.
(2) Subject to subsection (3) below, this section applies to any article which has a blade or
is sharply pointed except a folding pocketknife.
(3) This section applies to a folding pocketknife if the cutting edge of its blade exceeds 3
inches.
(4) It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove
that he had good reason or lawful authority for having the article with him in a public
place.
(5) Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (4) above, it shall be a defence for a
person charged with an offence under this section to prove that he had the article with
him —
a. for use at work;
b. for religious reasons; or
c. as part of any national costume.
(6) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) above shall be liable -
a. on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months,
or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or both;
b. on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two
years, or a fine, or both.
(Continues overleaf)
(7) In this section “public place” includes any place to which at the material time the public
have or are permitted access, whether on payment or otherwise.
(8 ) This section shall not have effect in relation to anything done before it comes into force.
The text quoted on this card is from the Criminal Justice Act 1988
and can be checked for veracity (or for any changes to the law) online at:
http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?LegType=All+Prim
ary&PageNumber=1&Year=1988&NavFrom=2&parentActiveTextDocId
=2116646&ActiveTextDocId=2116820&filesize=4465
Please type the above URL into your web browser as one line of text, there are no spaces.


Handy link :) http://www.davidappleton.co.uk/bbforum/cja1988_s139_card.pdf

Disclaimer - This thread is intended as a guide only, you are responsible for insuring that you are working within the Law.  Multitool.org, the owner and staff will bear absolutely no responsibility for your actions.
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Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Reply #1 on: December 30, 2008, 08:13:11 PM
« Last Edit: December 30, 2008, 08:22:59 PM by Benner »
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Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Reply #2 on: December 30, 2008, 08:23:37 PM
Thought links would be handy, so I have edited my post above.
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Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Reply #3 on: December 30, 2008, 08:26:37 PM
Spyderco UKPK,
Spyderco Pride,
CRKT Edgie,
Boker Buddy.


Oh wait Benner said those  ::)

Basically any non locking (liner/frame/lockback or other locking mechanism) under 3" or 7.62 cm is allowed (and  where the blade folds into the handle).

Remember....no gravity knives, no flick knives, no "combat" knives, no auto's, no switchblades', no butterfly knives and no disguised knives.

If you breach this the maximum penalty for carrying a knife is four years in prison and a fine of £5000.

And breath  :police:

I reckon best value is the CRKT Edgie...best performer Spyderco UKPK...best all rounder SAK Swisschamp.

Any questions feel free to ask or PM  :salute:


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Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Reply #4 on: December 30, 2008, 08:29:08 PM
Also don't carry these:

    *  flick knives
    * gravity knives
    * knuckle-dusters
    * sword-sticks
    * samurai swords
    * hand-claws
    * foot-claws
    * belt-buckle knives
    * push daggers
    * butterfly knives
    * blow-pipes or guns
    * kubotan (cylindrical container, holding spikes)
    * shuriken (also known as 'death stars' or 'throwing stars')
    * telescopic truncheons (automatically extending)
    * kusari-gama (sickle attached to a rope, cord or wire)
    * kyoketsu-shoge (hook-knife attached to a rope, cord or wire)
    * kusari (weight attached to a rope, cord or wire)
    * disguised knives (for example, lipstick knives)
    * stealth knives
    * straight, side-handled or friction-lock truncheons

Above + public place = Prison :pok: :police:


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Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Reply #5 on: December 30, 2008, 08:39:28 PM


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Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Reply #6 on: December 30, 2008, 08:43:59 PM
Spyderco UKPK,
Spyderco Pride,
CRKT Edgie,
Boker Buddy.


Oh wait Benner said those  ::)

Basically any non locking (liner/frame/lockback or other locking mechanism) under 3" or 7.62 cm is allowed (and  where the blade folds into the handle).

Remember....no gravity knives, no flick knives, no "combat" knives, no auto's, no switchblades', no butterfly knives and no disguised knives.

If you breach this the maximum penalty for carrying a knife is four years in prison and a fine of £5000.

And breath  :police:

I reckon best value is the CRKT Edgie...best performer Spyderco UKPK...best all rounder SAK Swisschamp.

Any questions feel free to ask or PM  :salute:

I think the Swisschamp is probably the most non knife user friendly EDC knife available.  :)
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Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Reply #7 on: December 30, 2008, 09:04:16 PM
Heh, those prohibited weapon sounds like Canada's, you know those ninja stars are really leathal!
 
Can you guys carry opinel with lock ring popped off?


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Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Reply #8 on: December 30, 2008, 09:06:59 PM
Heh, those prohibited weapon sounds like Canada's, you know those ninja stars are really leathal!
 
Can you guys carry opinel with lock ring popped off?

We can indeed as it is therefore no longer a locker. 

People have made alterations to axis locks to make them EDCable as well.
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Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Reply #9 on: December 30, 2008, 09:34:09 PM
Heh, those prohibited weapon sounds like Canada's, you know those ninja stars are really leathal!
 
Can you guys carry opinel with lock ring popped off?

There's also the smaller opinels that have no lock, I think No.5 and below.  Any 58mm, 74mm, 84mm, 91mm, 93mm Vic. is OK.  Technically the 108mm is legal as well but as its over 76mm with the tang its probably not wise.  Obviously the larger 111mm Vics. are a no no.  Most of the 85mm and smaller Wengers are OK but any with the padloc system are a no go.

What about plier based MTs?  The LM Juice range are OK but what about others?  I'm always slightly concerned about tools like the Mini or the PT-510 as whilst there is no lock on the blade once the blade is out and the tool closed back up the blade can't be folded back into the handle, how would this be viewed?  :think:

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Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Reply #10 on: December 30, 2008, 09:37:28 PM
Heh, those prohibited weapon sounds like Canada's, you know those ninja stars are really leathal!
 
Can you guys carry opinel with lock ring popped off?

There's also the smaller opinels that have no lock, I think No.5 and below.  Any 58mm, 74mm, 84mm, 91mm, 93mm Vic. is OK.  Technically the 108mm is legal as well but as its over 76mm with the tang its probably not wise.  Obviously the larger 111mm Vics. are a no no.  Most of the 85mm and smaller Wengers are OK but any with the padloc system are a no go.

What about plier based MTs?  The LM Juice range are OK but what about others?  I'm always slightly concerned about tools like the Mini or the PT-510 as whilst there is no lock on the blade once the blade is out and the tool closed back up the blade can't be folded back into the handle, how would this be viewed?  :think:

Neil

I think strictly speaking those aren't legal either, however, I am sure I have seen discussions where that is just regarded as being a little OTT.

Also, strictly speaking, saw's that lock and/or are over 3" and aren't legal EDC either.  Again though I think that is being a bit OTT.

I'd be interested in hearing Flash's take on it though.  :)

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Reply #11 on: December 30, 2008, 09:44:47 PM

Also, strictly speaking, saw's aren't legal EDC either.  Again though I think that is being a bit OTT.


I would imagine saws come into the sharp and or pointy category, so if under 76mm and non-locking would still be OK.

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Reply #12 on: December 30, 2008, 09:46:11 PM

Also, strictly speaking, saw's aren't legal EDC either.  Again though I think that is being a bit OTT.


I would imagine saws come into the sharp and or pointy category, so if under 76mm and non-locking would still be OK.

Neil

Sorry I meant that, so will edit my post above to avoid confusion.
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Reply #13 on: December 30, 2008, 09:46:41 PM
eeeeeeeeeeer OK well um this is where the "Black and white" of the judicious system gets a little "grey"

Officer discretion applies here as well as this summary (written by someone else):

The Act specifies a number of reasonable excuses for having custody of a knife. This does not limit any other reasonable excuse that a person might have although self defence or defence of another person is not a reasonable excuse for having custody of a knife.
Under the Act it is a reasonable excuse for a person to have custody of a knife, if the custody is reasonably necessary in all circumstances for any of the following:-

          o lawful pursuit of the person's occupation
          o preparation or consumption of food or drink
          o participation in a lawful entertainment, recreation or sport
          o exhibition of knives for retail or other trade purposes
          o organised exhibition by knife collectors
          o wearing of an official uniform
          o genuine relgious purposes

            or during travel to or from or incidental to any of these activities

So its a strange one with regards to the Locking MT's...To not tempt fate why not stick with a juice or a Pocket Power thingy.  :salute:



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Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Reply #14 on: December 30, 2008, 09:48:53 PM
But what about the fact that when closed (say on a PST) the blade can't close as it will hit the other handle?
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Reply #15 on: December 30, 2008, 09:53:35 PM

          o genuine relgious purposes

You know, I think I've read in u.k. if you get so many members you will be given official religion status, like how jedi is now recognized as an official religion.


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Reply #16 on: December 30, 2008, 09:54:49 PM

          o genuine relgious purposes

You know, I think I've read in u.k. if you get so many members you will be given official religion status, like how jedi is now recognized as an official religion.

Nice idea!  :D An MTO religion.  :D 

I wonder how many members you need?  :think:
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Reply #17 on: December 30, 2008, 09:55:46 PM
So where can I buy a lightsabre...


Benner....would the PP be viewed as a form of frame lock?  I honestly don't know and reckon it would take a stated case at a court to decide it.

As a mod why don't you sacrifice yourself for the greater good  :pok:


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Reply #18 on: December 30, 2008, 09:58:01 PM
So where can I buy a lightsabre...


Benner....would the PP be viewed as a form of frame lock?  I honestly don't know and reckon it would take a stated case at a court to decide it.

As a mod why don't you sacrifice yourself for the greater good  :pok:

Although I love this place, I don't love it that much.  :D

I'm torn now whether to add the PST for example to the list now.  :-\  I can't say I would ever be worried about carrying one.
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Reply #19 on: December 30, 2008, 10:15:08 PM
Gerber Shortcut - http://www.gerbergear.com/index.php/product/id/89 and Gerber Clutch - http://www.gerbergear.com/index.php/product/id/97 added as I am safe with those.  :D
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Reply #20 on: December 30, 2008, 10:21:04 PM
Given the present climate perhaps it would be wise to keep the list to those we know to be legal rather than think are.   Then again, given the reaction of people to any size or shape of blade we could just give up now and just presume they'll be grief if we dare to use a Classic in a public place  :-\

It might also be an idea to mention that vehicles are also considered public spaces and that all bets are off as to what you can or can't carry on the public transport system  :ahhh

Isn't the law so much fun :P :P

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Reply #21 on: December 30, 2008, 10:24:18 PM
Given the present climate perhaps it would be wise to keep the list to those we know to be legal rather than think are.   Then again, given the reaction of people to any size or shape of blade we could just give up now and just presume they'll be grief if we dare to use a Classic in a public place  :-\

It might also be an idea to mention that vehicles are also considered public spaces and that all bets are off as to what you can or can't carry on the public transport system  :ahhh

Isn't the law so much fun :P :P

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I think you are right, this list should be definites only.  :tu:

The Knifeless Fuse http://leatherman.com/multi-tools/full-size-tools/knifeless-fuse.aspx is a safe one as it has no saw or knife.
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Reply #22 on: December 30, 2008, 10:31:55 PM
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The Knifeless Fuse http://leatherman.com/multi-tools/full-size-tools/knifeless-fuse.aspx is a safe one as it has no saw or knife.

Does have a few pointy bits though :P

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Reply #23 on: December 30, 2008, 10:32:55 PM
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The Knifeless Fuse http://leatherman.com/multi-tools/full-size-tools/knifeless-fuse.aspx is a safe one as it has no saw or knife.

Does have a few pointy bits though :P

Neil

Very true that.

I wonder what would happen if I waved around a blade of grass a bit too vigourously?  :D
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Reply #24 on: December 30, 2008, 10:35:31 PM
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The Knifeless Fuse http://leatherman.com/multi-tools/full-size-tools/knifeless-fuse.aspx is a safe one as it has no saw or knife.

Does have a few pointy bits though :P

Neil

Very true that.

I wonder what would happen if I waved around a blade of grass a bit too vigourously?  :D

Are you maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad?  :ahhh

Didn't you ever blow a grass reed at school and get cut  :cry:


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Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Reply #25 on: December 30, 2008, 10:36:35 PM
You'd be carted off for sure but not for breaking the law ;) 

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Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Reply #26 on: December 30, 2008, 10:36:43 PM
Good work so far fella's :tu:
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Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Reply #27 on: December 30, 2008, 10:41:09 PM
One of my personel favourite that I just can't justify owning coz of the price :o Falkniven U1 http://fallkniven.com/u1/us-u1.htm  :)
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Reply #28 on: December 30, 2008, 10:49:21 PM
Are they that much more than a UKPK?   Not really, now go buy one so I can play with it ;)

"The blade is instead held in place with an springsteel key, a technique which has been in use for more than 100 years and which ensures that the blade does not fold."  They seem very confident of that  ::)

Anyone own one of these?

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Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Reply #29 on: December 30, 2008, 10:51:53 PM
Are they that much more than a UKPK?   Not really, now go buy one so I can play with it ;)

"The blade is instead held in place with an springsteel key, a technique which has been in use for more than 100 years and which ensures that the blade does not fold."  They seem very confident of that  ::)

Anyone own one of these?

Neil
I'm waiting for Spyderco to get there arse into gear and get the Urban out ::), but it is really tempting as it's a cracking wee knife :drool:

I think Bob (Bison) has got one, but that might be a U2 I can't remember :think:
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