UK Legal Carry Thread!

[cerbera147]

Silly price, but I quite like this http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=5768

I just want it so I can publicly play with my Cox 

[nuphoria]

Silly price, but I quite like this http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=5768

I just want it so I can publicly play with my Cox  (Image removed from quote.)

It seems the other one in that range is called a Haddock - what exactly are Boker up to then? 

[John]

You cannot carry the "cox" in public   it'll get you into trouble right away  

"Hello" "3 times"   "what is that in your hand"


err   "it's only my cox officer"      

[AHB]

Since Sebenzas are off limit, I'm definitely gonna need a Boker Cox..

Time to save my money for one, I guess. 

[jzmtl]

CF UKPK is out, under $100 in one store even.

[Benner]

That'll be one sweet knife 

[Gadget Guy]

Wow!!!   

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

There's a good reason I only carry sak's

While broadly true, you've got to be being a idiot to draw that kind of attention, and then your really asking for it anyway aren't you

[Gareth]

I'll make this point right now.  You DON'T need an excuse/specific reason to carry a sub 3" non-locking knife, WHATEVER the nice WPC told the guy.  Re the offensive weapons act, yes they can arrest you for carrying just about anything that might be used as a weapon, but the onus is on them to prove their case, not on you to defend it.

He does make a good case for the way the law is being applied though, i.e. a handy one to tack onto other charges. 

All-in-all I'll keep carrying my SAKs and non-locking multi's in confidence.

[cerbera147]

I am a little confused as to why a guy from New Zealand is making a video about UK knife law 

I'll make this point right now.  You DON'T need an excuse/specific reason to carry a sub 3" non-locking knife, WHATEVER the nice WPC told the guy.

I agree with Gareth; less than 3" and non locking is absolutely fine even if stopped for something unrelated. Obviously The Offensive Weapons Act adds a different angle to that but normal day to day you'll be fine.

The other thing that annoyed me was when he spoke about how they measure it. The law is pretty black and white and if the cutting edge is less than 3" then you are legal

I wonder how many stabbing cases there are involving expensive Spyderco's, Sebenza's, etc. I would imagine most are common kitchen knives and probably even the humble Stanley knife mentioned in the video.

[Gadget Guy]

I am a little confused as to why a guy from New Zealand is making a video about UK knife law 

I'll make this point right now.  You DON'T need an excuse/specific reason to carry a sub 3" non-locking knife, WHATEVER the nice WPC told the guy.

I agree with Gareth; less than 3" and non locking is absolutely fine even if stopped for something unrelated. Obviously The Offensive Weapons Act adds a different angle to that but normal day to day you'll be fine.

The other thing that annoyed me was when he spoke about how they measure it. The law is pretty black and white and if the cutting edge is less than 3" then you are legal

I wonder how many stabbing cases there are involving expensive Spyderco's, Sebenza's, etc. I would imagine most are common kitchen knives and probably even the humble Stanley knife mentioned in the video.

He's a knifemaker trying to sell his knives in the UK.  Dan, the next day or two for sure my friend! I just haven't been able to get home.    I'll make it up to you...   

[Zed]

and oddly although not carried unless at the bottom of my backpack these 2 bryd's i have are a good example, the meadowlark is smaller than 3inch's but locks, so does the littele finch but if stabbed what one is more dangerouse out of these 2 blades    the rescue blade is not a stabbig shape and the finch is, but both ilegal due to stupid lock blade law, the lock blade i think is the best idea for a knife as makes it safe, we are living in the ark here 

[craigy]

Wow!!!   

thats a good interpretation of the law.i now have a classic on my keys and my core in my toolbox at work thus selling alot of my others bar my victorinox climber and 2 sideclips which id sell also and have the 3 2 vics and the leatherman.

[Nikos]

OT: What's with the strange accent? Welsh or something?

[Dunc]

OT: What's with the strange accent? Welsh or something?

I believe he is from New Zealand .

[Zed]

are Svord Peasant Knife  uk legal, no locking as such , 3inch blade, there pretty cheap as if the mechanism is legal but blade a little too long i might shorten one 

[Sparky415]

They are a little over 3'' Mate but they can be shortened 

  I didn't answer your question, yes I think they are legal if shortened

[Neil]

<voice of doom>

However, if it went to court I wouldn't fancy my chances.  Remember the reason we can not carry locking blades in the UK without reasonable cause (or lawful authority... I add this before the pedants have a go ) is that it was successfully argued in court that a folding blade when locked becomes a fixed blade.  Well, when you hold an opened Peasant knife it effectively becomes a fixed blade. 

So technically its a non-locking folder and if the blade were shortened you could argue that its suitable for casual carry but I'm guessing that you'd end up in the magistrates court the next day.  Who wants to be the test case?

</voice of doom>

[Zed]

<voice of doom>

However, if it went to court I wouldn't fancy my chances.  Remember the reason we can not carry locking blades in the UK without reasonable cause (or lawful authority... I add this before the pedants have a go ) is that it was successfully argued in court that a folding blade when locked becomes a fixed blade.  Well, when you hold an opened Peasant knife it effectively becomes a fixed blade. 

So technically its a non-locking folder and if the blade were shortened you could argue that its suitable for casual carry but I'm guessing that you'd end up in the magistrates court the next day.  Who wants to be the test case?

</voice of doom>

thanks tony,

ok voice of doom      yeah i feel this way neil for me this would be a knife i would keep in my backpack while on 2-3 day hikes, so hopefullly i would never be asked to open my bag plus i would need it for a reason, 

[Sparky415]

The voice of doom is right  but if want me to shorten yours I'm happy to chop a bit off the end for you 

[Zed]

The voice of doom is right  but if want me to shorten yours I'm happy to chop a bit off the end for you 

i might hold you to this tony  although not got one yet,    i should have one in a few weeks so ill get back to you, im going to mod the wood grips as well 

[Sparky415]

They are lovely to work on, just held together with two screws and a pin,
take out the two screws and push the 'nut' bits out then wiggle and pull the scales apart
(use a screwdriver that fits well as the screws are very soft and its easy to ruin the head) 



picture added 

[Zed]

They are lovely to work on, just held together with two screws and a pin,
take out the two screws and push the 'nut' bits out then wiggle and pull the scales apart
(use a screwdriver that fits well as the screws are very soft and its easy to ruin the head) 

cheers tony for the advice, im going to bolt the grips together and round the edges off and remove the varnish, plus make finger grooves, 

[cerbera147]

Think this post is valid here as well 

There is a really interesting thread in progress on BB. It has a copy of the actual letter they send out.

http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?124625-Spyderco-C101GP2-manix-2-g-10

The OP ordered the Spyderco Manix 2 and got the CRKT as a freebie.

They have classed the Manix 2 as Gravity Knife 
Spyderco Manix 2



And the CRKT as a Flick Knife 
CRKT M16-10KZ


Both are available to buy in the UK 

It would appear that 'if you make a claim, legal proceedings in a Magistrates Court will be taken for condemnation of the items' 

I wish someone would stand up to these bully boys but can understand why no one has. Who would risk it?

[Craig]

Can we add the Leatherman Styles to the list please?

Got my Style PS from Travis yesterday and I think it's great 

[Gareth]

Can we add the Leatherman Styles to the list please?

Got my Style PS from Travis yesterday and I think it's great 

A good reminder mate, cheers.   So I've added the Styles and updated a few links.  Also added a few Spyderco's to the list but I know there is more to do.

[Gareth]

OK I've now simplified the Spyderco section.   I'm sure there are many other knives that should be on the list, if anyone thinks of some then please give me a shout.  If you can dig out a link from the maker's website that would be great too.

[Essexman]

Boker 42 are all non locking and UK legal

Boker Plus Trance 42
Boker Plus Subcom 42
Boker Plus Knives: Subcom 42 Pink 

Edit - Link to HH 

http://www.heinnie.com/search.asp?strKeywords=boker+42&submit=Search

[AimlessWanderer]

Off the top ...

SanRenMu H02
Opinel 2 to 5
CRKT KISS ... not sure of exact name, but there is a slip joint variation
EKA 90 and President

There appear to be some discontinued items in the multitools. Any reason why the Wenger Minigrip isn't there 

and EVENTUALLY (fingers crossed) there might be a Byrd Tern to add to the list 

[Gareth]

OK I've added the Boker Subcom and Trance 42 plus the CRKT Slip KISS and Slip KISS 2.   I'm going to work on the rest later.