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Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities

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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #150 on: September 25, 2020, 11:55:01 PM
ElevenBlade

Would you consider a belt with an integrated horizontal knife pouch sewn half way between buckle and side seam on a pair of pants?

I have been thinking about this as a product for awhile.

Maybe also a version that the pouch snaps onto the belt, rather than threads through it.

I have tried a lot of different knife carriers and found them all wanting.

I frankly am amazed Victorinox does not make such a belt.

But they are certainly leaving the lane open for someone else.

Sell a black and a brown belt at a slight discount.



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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #151 on: September 26, 2020, 12:05:25 AM
Eleven Blade,

Also along the same lines, it seems a line of pants needs to be made specifically for men and women that carry knives.

I have an old pair of Riggs work pants with a leather insert at the bottom of the side pocket edge that much improves the experience of carrying a knife with a clip. I would like this in a pair of casual khakis and even in a pair of black or grey dress pants.

Next, a pair of Duluth Trading Company cargo shorts I wear have a useful change pocket at the bottom of the side pocket that I now use to carry my Wenger in all the time. This has lead me to sketch a little a side pocket designed so it has three pockets on the thigh side of the side pocket for inserting a flashlight, a 2 layer SAK and a maybe even a small plier. 

Truth be known, I don’t like pocket clips for carry. But a lot do. But with or without a clip, I would like having inner pockets to slide my knives and flashlight into, so my keys ride on the bottom of the pocket within attacking my knives.

 


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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #152 on: September 26, 2020, 01:09:24 AM
Given that Victorinox dabbled in clothing in the post 9/11 period, I'm sure they thought of integrating a SAK pocket into clothing.  A belt with some sort of horizontal sheath would be a great idea, though it would have to be removable so you can slide the belt through your belt loops.

Given that a SAK pocket is cleverly and quite unabashedly integrated into their luggage, I'm sure they thought of it for their clothing, and canned the idea.... I wonder what why.


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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #153 on: September 26, 2020, 02:08:59 AM
Bring back the Trail Guide!

This.

I'd like to see the return of the Yeoman along with the serrated main blade (or 60/40 serrated) option on more models. And how about some new scale colors? I'd like to see an international rescue orange, a battleship grey and a navy blue, available in standard or plus.

And that.

Preferably together.

The Trail Guide is awesome for the size IMO. I’ve warmed up quite a bit to the newer stainless Metal Saw...and this update has been on my list for a Mod. Just got a donor in for the saw and have the full serrated blades pretty well stocked. And if I build it, including a hook file is possible where Vx probably wouldn’t.

But it would be much nicer to have one made by Vx even if a SE. More so for me if it was also PS coated and Onyx scale tools.

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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #154 on: September 30, 2020, 06:35:56 PM
one realistic possibility is that they are taking away the 74mm line except for the Moneyclip....    :rant: :poh: :wait:


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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #155 on: September 30, 2020, 10:16:51 PM
one realistic possibility is that they are taking away the 74mm line except for the Moneyclip....    :rant: :poh: :wait:

I hope it does not happen, otherwise I will have to buy myself a sizeable supply of Executive  :facepalm:


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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #156 on: October 06, 2020, 08:02:15 AM
Given that Victorinox dabbled in clothing in the post 9/11 period, I'm sure they thought of integrating a SAK pocket into clothing.  A belt with some sort of horizontal sheath would be a great idea, though it would have to be removable so you can slide the belt through your belt loops.

Given that a SAK pocket is cleverly and quite unabashedly integrated into their luggage, I'm sure they thought of it for their clothing, and canned the idea.... I wonder what why.

Found this online:
"Swiss brand Victorinox will discontinue its apparel business at the end of 2017. The final collection will be spring 17, with the exception of Japan, which will close with autumn 17"

I think they discontinued their all their clothing products possibly due to it being unprofitable. Its probably not easy to enter a whole new market without any experience and also the fact that Victorinox is widely considered a luxury brand



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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #157 on: October 12, 2020, 11:04:04 PM
one realistic possibility is that they are taking away the 74mm line except for the Moneyclip....    :rant: :poh: :wait:

This just in... All of the 74mm is apparently going away... Including the Moneyclip. 


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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #158 on: October 13, 2020, 12:37:14 AM
This just in... All of the 74mm is apparently going away... Including the Moneyclip.
Shame. Ordered spare ambassador and executive on the weekend (both second hand on fleabay- prices still good before word gets out)

Realistic possibility- maybe some new models in the wings, alox compact on my wishlist, yes you’d lose back tools and scale tools but it’d be very slim and think would sell well :think: certainly to me anyway :rofl:


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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #159 on: October 13, 2020, 02:04:09 AM
Shame. Ordered spare ambassador and executive on the weekend (both second hand on fleabay- prices still good before word gets out)

Realistic possibility- maybe some new models in the wings, alox compact on my wishlist, yes you’d lose back tools and scale tools but it’d be very slim and think would sell well :think: certainly to me anyway :rofl:


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I certainly hope that they have some new offerings (that don't have a winter theme).  The Alox Compact is a Vogaguer... it's long been discontinued and I don't think it's coming back. 


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Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #160 on: October 13, 2020, 02:10:48 AM
I certainly hope that they have some new offerings (that don't have a winter theme).  The Alox Compact is a Vogaguer... it's long been discontinued and I don't think it's coming back.
Been looking for a voyageur for some time EB, one on eBay currently for $500, keen but not that keen…did pick up a golfer fairly reasonably recently so some consolation.
Really like the 84mm size and know they don’t (can’t apparently) do scissors in that size anymore, but a 93mm alox compact should be doable shouldn’t it? Blade and scissors from PX/FX plus the combo tool :like:


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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #161 on: October 13, 2020, 02:19:17 AM
Been looking for a voyageur for some time EB, one on eBay currently for $500, keen but not that keen…did pick up a golfer fairly reasonably recently so some consolation.
Really like the 84mm size and know they don’t (can’t apparently) do scissors in that size anymore, but a 91mm alox compact should be doable shouldn’t it?


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Same...  You're basically forced to do a mod, or buy one made by one of the lovely people on MTo.  Lately I've gotten to thinking that there's no telling when I am going to be disinterested in scissors... as over the years I've had other "must-have" implements that I don't need any more...  So I don't want to spend toooo too much money on a SAK. 


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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #162 on: October 13, 2020, 02:38:51 AM
:iagree: scissors are a must have for me too


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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #163 on: October 13, 2020, 04:24:52 AM
Honestly, I never understood the 74mm size. Imho, they are too big to put on a keychain, but too small to carry by themselves  :dunno:
The smallest SAK size I would consider carrying (besides 58mm which is perfect for the keychain) is 84mm.

I agree about the scissors though. One of my most used tools on a SAK or MT in general. They need to bring them back to 84mm. And yes, I know the machine is broken. Then have a new one made! If BMW breaks a stamping machine for something they don’t stop making the model that needs the part, they get a new one!  :rant: Yes I know, maybe not quite comparable, but I am sure you agree there is part truth to that. The only reason they don’t do that, in my mind, is that the 84mm series is also not a big seller.



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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #164 on: October 13, 2020, 04:35:00 AM
Honestly, I never understood the 74mm size. Imho, they are too big to put on a keychain, but too small to carry by themselves  :dunno:
The smallest SAK size I would consider carrying (besides 58mm which is perfect for the keychain) is 84mm.

I agree about the scissors though. One of my most used tools on a SAK or MT in general. They need to bring them back to 84mm. And yes, I know the machine is broken. Then have a new one made! If BMW breaks a stamping machine for something they don’t stop making the model that needs the part, they get a new one!  :rant: Yes I know, maybe not quite comparable, but I am sure you agree there is part truth to that. The only reason they don’t do that, in my mind, is that the 84mm series is also not a big seller.

It's too large for keychain for me (though I don't keychain any of them), but not sure how it can be too small for pocket carry  ???

I find the 74 size so much better for usability than the 58, and the blades are more practical. Even the small blade on it is thicker, taller, and slightly shorter than the one on the 58... it feels much stronger (also has a really strong backspring for some reason).

Agreed on the machine -- machines break sometimes, so fix it?  :pok: They must have done the math and figured it's not worth it. The reality is they're looking to maximize profits rather than produce each of our ideal SAKs, unfortunately.


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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #165 on: October 13, 2020, 04:52:57 AM
Honestly, I never understood the 74mm size. Imho, they are too big to put on a keychain, but too small to carry by themselves  :dunno:
The smallest SAK size I would consider carrying (besides 58mm which is perfect for the keychain) is 84mm.

I agree about the scissors though. One of my most used tools on a SAK or MT in general. They need to bring them back to 84mm. And yes, I know the machine is broken. Then have a new one made! If BMW breaks a stamping machine for something they don’t stop making the model that needs the part, they get a new one!  :rant: Yes I know, maybe not quite comparable, but I am sure you agree there is part truth to that. The only reason they don’t do that, in my mind, is that the 84mm series is also not a big seller.

I agree with you about the 74 mm.
58 mm are better on a key .
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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #166 on: October 13, 2020, 03:14:54 PM
It's too large for keychain for me (though I don't keychain any of them), but not sure how it can be too small for pocket carry  ???


They are perfectly fine for pocket carry. But for me there is a minimal SAK size that I would carry without feeling the need to add other tools. And that is the 84mm range.


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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #167 on: October 14, 2020, 03:21:57 AM
It's too large for keychain for me (though I don't keychain any of them), but not sure how it can be too small for pocket carry  ???

I find the 74 size so much better for usability than the 58, and the blades are more practical. Even the small blade on it is thicker, taller, and slightly shorter than the one on the 58... it feels much stronger (also has a really strong backspring for some reason).

Agreed on the machine -- machines break sometimes, so fix it?  :pok: They must have done the math and figured it's not worth it. The reality is they're looking to maximize profits rather than produce each of our ideal SAKs, unfortunately.


I'm begining to think that the machine being broken is an urban legend.

The guys in the board room are an interesting breed.  In the documentary that was done about the factory, they ask some of the top guys in the company what they carry in their pocket, the responses where a bit surprising... I can't remember what they all were, but it might be the CEO that EDCs the SAK with an altimeter on it.  They just might be out of touch with the rest of us. 


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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #168 on: October 14, 2020, 04:29:25 AM
That might be. You also have to take into consideration that we are a rare breed. We are not their average customer. Just because we like something, doesn’t mean the rest of their customers will.


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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #169 on: October 14, 2020, 04:53:53 AM
That might be. You also have to take into consideration that we are a rare breed. We are not their average customer. Just because we like something, doesn’t mean the rest of their customers will.

Very true


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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #170 on: October 14, 2020, 01:28:38 PM
I'm begining to think that the machine being broken is an urban legend.

The guys in the board room are an interesting breed.  In the documentary that was done about the factory, they ask some of the top guys in the company what they carry in their pocket, the responses where a bit surprising... I can't remember what they all were, but it might be the CEO that EDCs the SAK with an altimeter on it.  They just might be out of touch with the rest of us.

Yup that's right. Carl Elsner Jr. carries the Traveler and the Signature Lite on his keys (at the time of the documentary at least...)
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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #171 on: October 14, 2020, 04:59:10 PM
Here is something that actually might happen...

I was at a knife-fan meet up in Ibach (roughly 2 weeks ago). There was a guy who does cerakote mods on SAKs (coincidentally, he also went to school with my sister, Switzerland is that small).
He told me, Carl Elsner Jr. corona-save-fist-bumped him and congratulated him on his work. So, maybe we see a change in company policy towards aftermarket modders.
It wouldn't be the internet without people complaining.


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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #172 on: October 14, 2020, 09:40:28 PM
Here is something that actually might happen...

I was at a knife-fan meet up in Ibach (roughly 2 weeks ago). There was a guy who does cerakote mods on SAKs (coincidentally, he also went to school with my sister, Switzerland is that small).
He told me, Carl Elsner Jr. corona-save-fist-bumped him and congratulated him on his work. So, maybe we see a change in company policy towards aftermarket modders.
Stephan B.?
He's doing one for me as we speak :D

Great guy!


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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #173 on: October 14, 2020, 10:37:57 PM
Yup that's right. Carl Elsner Jr. carries the Traveler and the Signature Lite on his keys (at the time of the documentary at least...)

A Climber with a digital thermometer, clock, altimeter etc etc.  Nice


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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #174 on: October 14, 2020, 11:13:02 PM
I'm begining to think that the machine being broken is an urban legend.

I’m almost certain that it is.

Victorinox certainly has enough means to fix or retool for whatever they want. In my chronology...it just seems pretty clear that they were phased out by choice when they retooled the scissors for the various lines starting in about ‘70 with the 91mm. I think 58mm followed not long after, but took a bit to get the 74mm done, maybe in the later ‘70s/early ‘80s.  It seems that 84mm was already mostly phased out by then and the last ‘large’ 84mm 136kmaU were discontinued c. ‘76/‘77, based on the Hoffritz transition for their 11037/F11037 from 84mm to 91mm.

So unless they were to retool to fully support 84mm with metal saws, plus scales and a bunch of others available in 91mm...I don’t see them changing their minds on this. I’d love it if they did, but no way will it happen.

....


More for my wish list...

PS/PVD Serrated Spartan. Or some other PS/Onyx Edition with the serrated main blade.

I was playing with a bunch of my serrated knives over the weekend.
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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #175 on: October 14, 2020, 11:22:57 PM
I’m almost certain that it is.

Victorinox certainly has enough means to fix or retool for whatever they want. In my chronology...it just seems pretty clear that they were phased out by choice when they retooled the scissors for the various lines starting in about ‘70 with the 91mm. I think 58mm followed not long after, but took a bit to get the 74mm done, maybe in the later ‘70s/early ‘80s.  It seems that 84mm was already mostly phased out by then and the last ‘large’ 84mm 136kmaU were discontinued c. ‘76/‘77, based on the Hoffritz transition for their 11037/F11037 from 84mm to 91mm.

So unless they were to retool to fully support 84mm with metal saws, plus scales and a bunch of others available in 91mm...I don’t see them changing their minds on this. I’d love it if they did, but no way will it happen.

....


More for my wish list...

PS/PVD Serrated Spartan. Or some other PS/Onyx Edition with the serrated main blade.

I was playing with a bunch of my serrated knives over the weekend.

'splain?  ???


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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #176 on: October 15, 2020, 12:12:56 AM
'splain?  ???

I believe that time to be the last ‘big’ 84mm made, and the transition ‘proof’ is that Hoffritz was ‘forced’ to make their ‘Master Craftsman’ toolset 91mm going forward. I have these Hoffritz versions in 84mm that are ‘76 (and earlier) construction, and 91mm that is ‘76/‘77 at the latest. Those are the Hoffritz models that correspond to Master Craftsman 84mm/91mm. Hoffritz catalogs from ‘77 and ‘79 in the wiki loosely confirm the timing of the switchover.

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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #177 on: October 15, 2020, 12:15:47 AM
I believe that time to be the last ‘big’ 84mm made, and the transition ‘proof’ is that Hoffritz was ‘forced’ to make their ‘Master Craftsman’ toolset 91mm going forward. I have these Hoffritz versions in 84mm that are ‘76 (and earlier) construction, and 91mm that is ‘76/‘77 at the latest. Those are the Hoffritz models that correspond to Master Craftsman 84mm/91mm. Hoffritz catalogs from ‘77 and ‘79 in the wiki loosely confirm the timing of the switchover.

Did that help?

Ah .... yes thanks!   


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Reply #178 on: October 15, 2020, 05:49:53 AM
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Re: Victorinox in the 2020's: Realistic Possibilities
Reply #179 on: October 15, 2020, 10:47:04 AM
So...

Having spent a while with my Deluxe Tinker, and really liking Vic's mini pliers, i suddenly thought of a model that (as far as i know) doesn't exist, and it would be great. A little bulky but worth it (for me).

And then i found this old thread: https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=40593.0

Similar to what i had in mind, but not quite...

here's the idea from the thread (photoshop'd):



Now my idea was going further as to replace the useless (to me) mag glass with the finer #1 inline phillips, like the one found on the 111mm models:



Now THIS, is a serious tinkerer's EDC tool  :D


Of course we could also have a Yeoman-ized version, to those who want to slim it down...  ;)


So, what do you guys think...?
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