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The Gas Station MRE challenge

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Re: The Gas Station MRE challenge
Reply #630 on: May 30, 2021, 07:13:50 PM
Great work, Vitor & Sarlac!   :2tu:

( Will that be enough to keep the Sarlac Pit going and growing???  :ahhh  )


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Reply #631 on: May 30, 2021, 07:57:29 PM
I dug out my custom alcohol stove for a little refamiliarization and training.

This hand-wrought, fire-breathing dragon of a cook stove was made at tremendous expense from two old cans and a bit of plumber's mat.





The little demon cranks out the BTU's, but there are a few short comings:

• In the photo above, the stove is raging. But the flame is very hard to see. This is a bit of a safety hazard....especially for an absentminded person like me..... :whistle:

• It takes experience to gauge just how much fuel to use for a given cooking task. As a result, I usually overfill the stove and end up wasting fuel.

• If the stove is under filled for a cook, adding more fuel can be dangerous because the flames are so hard to see. Therefore, the stove and food (in the middle of being cooked) must cool down before fresh fuel is added. Again, wasted time and wasted fuel ( because of decreased efficiency ).

• The stove uses a large volume of fuel. While these things are remarkably effective, they seem to suck up fuel. The little fuel bottle ( 4oz/125mL ) in the above photo works for 2-3 cooks, depending on the size of the cooks and expertise of the operator. ( So....two cooks for me...  :rofl: )

• These stoves tend to be adversely affected by the wind. A windscreen of some kind is mandatory in my mind. I went all out and got this custom windscreen ( Which I found in the pantry. Mrs Nix later told me it was a roasting tray. Who knew?   :dunno:  Looked like a windscreen to me. )

• There is a real tipping hazard with these stove. If they tip over while alight, burning fuel will cascade over the forest floor causing a wildfire and killing the operator and numerous small woodland creatures. And because you added extra fuel to be sure you have enough for the full cook, that wildfire will be especially exciting.

• Not much surface area to balance a pot. Especially a larger pot. I used a pot stand in the stove. This stove doesn't really require a pot stand, but the pot stand balances pots & mugs better and lets the stove burn much hotter. ( The pot stand is easily the most expensive part of this set up. ) There are some commercially available windscreens that work as pot stands, but I've never tried one.


Advantages......

• Cheap, simple, durable, effective. If you have a mutlitool with you--and I know you do--you can probably repair it or make a new one.

• Easy to light. No instructions needed. ( For Fuzzy's sake: add fuel to the inner chamber and add a spark or flame. When the hair on your hand is singed you know the stove is burning. )

• Fuel ( alcohol, methylated spirits, HEET, methanol, and/or pure moonshine ) is easy to find and relatively inexpensive.

• You know how much fuel you have left! No guessing how many cooks are left in that old Isobutane canister.

• Works fairly well in cold weather. All stove face challenges in cold weather, but liquid fuel stove seem to be easier to get going in real cold.

• The windscreen takes up no space, is lightweight, and really improves the stove's efficiency.

So, for today's training I added about (rough guess) two ounces of methylated spirits and used my pot stand. The stove brought 12 measured ounce of tap water to a simmer in about 3 minutes. In 5.25 minutes my mug looked like this:



Not bad!

And the stove continued to burn until the 8.75 minute mark. Which means I wasted enough fuel to bring another 12ox of water to a simmer.....  :facepalm:

Anyway, having revisited this little stove, I think I will try to use it to heat up at least one meal from my GSMRE. Breakfast definitely needs hot water. Dinner will benefit from heating up, too.

Guess I better refill me fuel bottle.......


Note: there is no requirement to use a camping stove to heat up your meal. The requirement is to use foods that can be reheated by camping stoves, solar ovens, flameless ration heaters, etc..... Still.....why not use Chow Day as a testing and training opportunity......?   :pok:
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Re: The Gas Station MRE challenge
Reply #632 on: May 30, 2021, 08:17:26 PM
I don't have one  :dunno:

   ...looking at a Kelly Kettle 0.6l 


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Re: The Gas Station MRE challenge
Reply #633 on: May 30, 2021, 08:32:47 PM
I don't have one  :dunno:

   ...looking at a Kelly Kettle 0.6l

An alcohol stove can be made in about 10 minutes....including cleaning the cat food out of the can.....

However, I highly recommend that Kelly Kettle!*

Mrs Nix & I have a 1.2L (I think....) Kelly Kettle and love it!  They do a great job of creating hot water.....and with a pot stand on the top....you can use it to cook with, too!   :ahhh




* I recommend it so highly because I'd like you to test it out, before I spend the money for one. Inexpensive, they are not.....


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Re: The Gas Station MRE challenge
Reply #634 on: May 30, 2021, 09:15:07 PM
I don't have one  :dunno:

   ...looking at a Kelly Kettle 0.6l

An alcohol stove can even be made out of a soda/beer can and using rubbing alcohol as fuel and no stand required.  It is not the best or most efficient but I’ve done it.


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Reply #635 on: May 30, 2021, 09:31:13 PM
An alcohol stove can even be made out of a soda/beer can and using rubbing alcohol as fuel and no stand required.  It is not the best or most efficient but I’ve done it.

Just so!

And....the stove doesn't need a pot stand. A stand can be improvised for the pot. The stove just needs to be able to operate, under the pot.  ;)


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The Gas Station MRE challenge
Reply #636 on: May 30, 2021, 10:12:38 PM
I dug out my custom alcohol stove for a little refamiliarization and training.

This hand-wrought, fire-breathing dragon of a cook stove was made at tremendous expense from two old cans and a bit of plumber's mat.


(Image removed from quote.)


The little demon cranks out the BTU's, but there are a few short comings:

• In the photo above, the stove is raging. But the flame is very hard to see. This is a bit of a safety hazard....especially for an absentminded person like me..... :whistle:

• It takes experience to gauge just how much fuel to use for a given cooking task. As a result, I usually overfill the stove and end up wasting fuel.

• If the stove is under filled for a cook, adding more fuel can be dangerous because the flames are so hard to see. Therefore, the stove and food (in the middle of being cooked) must cool down before fresh fuel is added. Again, wasted time and wasted fuel ( because of decreased efficiency ).

• The stove uses a large volume of fuel. While these things are remarkably effective, they seem to suck up fuel. The little fuel bottle ( 4oz/125mL ) in the above photo works for 2-3 cooks, depending on the size of the cooks and expertise of the operator. ( So....two cooks for me...  :rofl: )

• These stoves tend to be adversely affected by the wind. A windscreen of some kind is mandatory in my mind. I went all out and got this custom windscreen ( Which I found in the pantry. Mrs Nix later told me it was a roasting tray. Who knew?   :dunno:  Looked like a windscreen to me. )

• There is a real tipping hazard with these stove. If they tip over while alight, burning fuel will cascade over the forest floor causing a wildfire and killing the operator and numerous small woodland creatures. And because you added extra fuel to be sure you have enough for the full cook, that wildfire will be especially exciting.

• Not much surface area to balance a pot. Especially a larger pot. I used a pot stand in the stove. This stove doesn't really require a pot stand, but the pot stand balances pots & mugs better and lets the stove burn much hotter. ( The pot stand is easily the most expensive part of this set up. ) There are some commercially available windscreens that work as pot stands, but I've never tried one.


Advantages......

• Cheap, simple, durable, effective. If you have a mutlitool with you--and I know you do--you can probably repair it or make a new one.

• Easy to light. No instructions needed. ( For Fuzzy's sake: add fuel to the inner chamber and add a spark or flame. When the hair on your hand is singed you know the stove is burning. )

• Fuel ( alcohol, methylated spirits, HEET, methanol, and/or pure moonshine ) is easy to find and relatively inexpensive.

• You know how much fuel you have left! No guessing how many cooks are left in that old Isobutane canister.

• Works fairly well in cold weather. All stove face challenges in cold weather, but liquid fuel stove seem to be easier to get going in real cold.

• The windscreen takes up no space, is lightweight, and really improves the stove's efficiency.

So, for today's training I added about (rough guess) two ounces of methylated spirits and used my pot stand. The stove brought 12 measured ounce of tap water to a simmer in about 3 minutes. In 5.25 minutes my mug looked like this:

(Image removed from quote.)

Not bad!

And the stove continued to burn until the 8.75 minute mark. Which means I wasted enough fuel to bring another 12ox of water to a simmer.....  :facepalm:

Anyway, having revisited this little stove, I think I will try to use it to heat up at least one meal from my GSMRE. Breakfast definitely needs hot water. Dinner will benefit from heating up, too.

Guess I better refill me fuel bottle.......


Note: there is no requirement to use a camping stove to heat up your meal. The requirement is to use foods that can be reheated by camping stoves, solar ovens, flameless ration heaters, etc..... Still.....why not use Chow Day as a testing and training opportunity......?   :pok:

Nice and small little set-up.  I love the green cup.

I haven’t tried the fancy feast style alcohol burner, but I did a soda can one.  You also really need something to use to snuff it out, unless you plan on just letting it burn until all fuel is gone.  Both present their own safety hazards.  If doing alcohol, I prefer the Trangia style (also RedCamp, Solo, Goshawk, etc) burner.  The simmer rings can be used to snuff it out and the cap with o-ring usually allow storing excess fuel in the burner so you don’t waste if you misjudge.  The trangia style burner also fits and can be used in my twig stove, so for me it is a win.


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Re: The Gas Station MRE challenge
Reply #637 on: May 30, 2021, 10:17:31 PM
Thanks Jack and Sherry  :hatsoff:

I've spent some time thinking about a stove for hiking and figured that a gas one will have problems with wind (we have some here sometimes  :D ).
I'm not sure about an alcohol one either.
I've used a simple Espit stove a couple of times and it's not ideal.
When I saw Borgs pics of the Kelly Kettle I knew that would work for me... if not too big... and expesive  :think:



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Reply #638 on: May 30, 2021, 11:12:03 PM
Nice and small little set-up.  I love the green cup.

I haven’t tried the fancy feast style alcohol burner, but I did a soda can one.  You also really need something to use to snuff it out, unless you plan on just letting it burn until all fuel is gone.  Both present their own safety hazards.  If doing alcohol, I prefer the Trangia style (also RedCamp, Solo, Goshawk, etc) burner.  The simmer rings can be used to snuff it out and the cap with o-ring usually allow storing excess fuel in the burner so you don’t waste if you misjudge.  The trangia style burner also fits and can be used in my twig stove, so for me it is a win.


Great tip! 

I actually ordered a Trangia a little while back, but haven't gotten it yet.   :tu:

While my double can system works fairly well, I'd like something a bit more durable and liked the idea that you can 1) use the simmer plate to control the flame/snuff the fire, and 2) save residual, unburnt, alcohol in the stove.  I suspect the Trangia is just plain more efficient, too.

Remind me of the name/brand of your twig stove?  :think:

Does it work well with the Trangia?

My windscreen is great....but not durable. Easy to replace, but, again, something more durable would be great. The old "Trangia Triangle" doesn't seem ot be be made any more. I love the idea of your dual purpose twig stove/Trangia unit!   :tu:

( Goshawk stoves are hard to find ( here in the USA ). They are available, but expensive compared to a Trangia.....or empty cat food can..... )


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Reply #639 on: May 31, 2021, 12:10:42 AM
Ah, ha.....

Found your other thread on the Firebox Nano. Very nice!

Checked on Amazon....Ti is pricey, SS is still a bit much, but I am tempted. There is a version that comes with a packing box that serves as an ashtray:



In wildfire country, that ash tray seems like a good idea.  :tu:


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Reply #640 on: May 31, 2021, 12:13:04 AM
Thanks Jack and Sherry  :hatsoff:

I've spent some time thinking about a stove for hiking and figured that a gas one will have problems with wind (we have some here sometimes  :D ).
I'm not sure about an alcohol one either.
I've used a simple Espit stove a couple of times and it's not ideal.
When I saw Borgs pics of the Kelly Kettle I knew that would work for me... if not too big... and expesive  :think:

The Kelly kettle feeds off the wind, makes it burn hotter  :D  but yes a bit on the bulky side and not cheap, but fuel is free, i saw it as an investment that will last me years and i don't see any reason why it wont, great for food heating, for hiking it would depend what else you are carrying and pack size but it fits in my small pack no probs, its not heavy though, with the hobo stove over the fire base you can keep heating if the chimney top stove didn't heat it already, the water boils quick, if i was to buy mine again i would just get the kettle, hobo stove and the chimney top stove, i wont use the cups and dont have to use the pots, the wire grill can be easily made  :tu:

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Reply #641 on: May 31, 2021, 12:15:54 AM
Borg, is your Trekker the aluminum or steel version?

Our "Scout" is steel. We got just the kettle (with fire base) and the hobo stove thingy. Great for a small fry pan.   :tu:

The Scout (1.2L) is too big for backpacking, but is great for car camping.

I agree about the Kelly being fairly windproof. Once that chimney starts drawing, it is soup time!


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Reply #642 on: May 31, 2021, 12:18:12 AM
Ah, ha.....

Found your other thread on the Firebox Nano. Very nice!

Checked on Amazon....Ti is pricey, SS is still a bit much, but I am tempted. There is a version that comes with a packing box that serves as an ashtray:

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In wildfire country, that ash tray seems like a good idea.  :tu:

I'm not going to go there as i am sorted but... does that all fold up into the metal case/ash tray ?  Asking for a friend...
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Reply #643 on: May 31, 2021, 12:19:56 AM
I'm not going to go there as i am sorted but... does that all fold up into the metal case/ash tray ?  Asking for a friend...

Yes. Awl fits into that tiny metal case. 7oz. Slips into a cargo pocket. That's what I told my friend.


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Reply #644 on: May 31, 2021, 12:30:24 AM
Borg, is your Trekker the aluminum or steel version?

Our "Scout" is steel. We got just the kettle (with fire base) and the hobo stove thingy. Great for a small fry pan.   :tu:

The Scout (1.2L) is too big for backpacking, but is great for car camping.

SS, i think it's fine for hiking, obviously its a lot bigger than a small gas stove but wood is free and the wind wont be an issue  :tu:

Yes. Awl fits into that tiny metal case. 7oz. Slips into a cargo pocket. That's what I told my friend.

Interesting  :gimme: nahh i'm all set, no more stoves for me, but twig burners have a lot going for them, even if you have to carry some dry wood from home its still worth it i think  :tu:
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Reply #645 on: May 31, 2021, 12:35:17 AM
Mrs Nix: that's clearly a windscreen, not a roasting tray.  :pok:


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Reply #646 on: May 31, 2021, 12:54:11 AM
Ah, ha.....

Found your other thread on the Firebox Nano. Very nice!

Checked on Amazon....Ti is pricey, SS is still a bit much, but I am tempted. There is a version that comes with a packing box that serves as an ashtray:

(Image removed from quote.)

In wildfire country, that ash tray seems like a good idea.  :tu:
If you decide to get a Firebox Nano, I recommend going straight through the site.  I’m not sure about Amazon’s pricing, but I know some sites charge more than you can get directly through Firebox.  Also, I think they are running a 10% for Father’s Day (fathers10) right now.  Under value kits the SS with the metal packing box (x-case) is $44.99.

The Trangia fits into the Nano either suspended on pins or on the bottom.  In addition to the lid and simmer cap, the Trangia style does seem to be a little more efficient.

Here it is pictured with the x-case and the Goshawk (which is exact same size as Trangia) suspended on pins. 

The flame guard (helps prevent flames from making handles hot) is an add on.
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Reply #647 on: May 31, 2021, 01:08:07 AM
I'm not going to go there as i am sorted but... does that all fold up into the metal case/ash tray ?  Asking for a friend...
Yes.  As Nix said it all fits into the metal case

I replaced the carbon felt with a piece of suede.  The 6 inch ruler is shown for size and it is about .75in thick when closed.

The thread Nix shared above is me going on about how much I love this little stove.

Interesting  :gimme: nahh i'm all set, no more stoves for me, but twig burners have a lot going for them, even if you have to carry some dry wood from home its still worth it i think  :tu:
Agree, with the twig burners having a lot going for them.  I can easily boil 12oz of water with just a handful of twigs. 
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Reply #648 on: May 31, 2021, 01:37:50 AM
Mrs Nix: that's clearly a windscreen, not a roasting tray.  :pok:


Great minds think alike!   :cheers:


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Re: The Gas Station MRE challenge
Reply #649 on: May 31, 2021, 09:23:06 AM
Thanks Borg, Jack and Sherry... I might stick with the 0.6l Kelly Kettle idea. Will decide after another coffee or two  :hatsoff:


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Reply #650 on: May 31, 2021, 02:29:10 PM
Thanks Borg, Jack and Sherry... I might stick with the 0.6l Kelly Kettle idea. Will decide after another coffee or two  :hatsoff:

Won't you need a stove to make that coffee?  Seems like you've gotten yourself into a catch-22 situation......    :rofl:


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Reply #651 on: May 31, 2021, 04:42:13 PM
Stashed in a cool, dry spot awaiting the day :D
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Reply #652 on: May 31, 2021, 04:43:24 PM
 :cheers:

Climate control conditions are recommended!   :rofl:


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Reply #653 on: May 31, 2021, 04:54:11 PM
Buddy, it'd be the first time!!  :rofl:
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Reply #654 on: May 31, 2021, 04:56:32 PM
That was my thought, too!   :rofl:


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Reply #655 on: May 31, 2021, 04:59:25 PM
 :tu: :rofl: :tu:
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Reply #656 on: May 31, 2021, 05:20:27 PM
Won't you need a stove to make that coffee?  Seems like you've gotten yourself into a catch-22 situation......    :rofl:

Now you sound like my wife  >:(


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Reply #657 on: May 31, 2021, 05:46:14 PM
 :rofl:
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Reply #658 on: May 31, 2021, 06:31:47 PM
Well, I have a stove*....so I made some coffee........






I don't think anyone chose to use these 'coffee singles' for his or her GSMRE. I'm a little surprised by that.

I went with the traditional MRE choice of instant coffee for my GSMRE. For me ( and Barry, I'm sure ), an MRE isn't an MRE if it don't include some "Coffee, Instant, Type II". So I selected the civilian equivalent for my GSMRE.

When I go camping, I usually take tea bags with me. I love tea and find it to be excellent in the morning in the woods. However, and this is just my personal quirk, I find coffee ( with milk and sugar ) to be a bit more warming. As a result, in cooler weather with frosty mornings expected, I'll pack along these coffee 'tea bags'. I find they work really well ( not as tasty as an espresso machine, but everything tastes better in the woods, right? ). As a bonus, there is no extra gear to pack or clean. I just empty the grounds out and pack up my trash.





The instructions say to soak in 6-8 oz of hot water. Well......my smallest mug is 10oz, so that's what I use. I steep for 3-4 minutes. And, I find that this combination works well. The resultant coffee is a bit on the weak side, to be frank. This is not Navy bridge java. But, if you wanted a sterner cup of rocket fuel, I suppose you could double up on the tea coffee bags. I haven't tried that.

For ease and convenience and coffee that tastes better than instant, I think these are worth a try!   :tu:



* It is a complete coincidence that I chose to use the marvelously fun and speedy Kelly Kettle "Scout" to make this morning's hot water. We're expecting a warm day to day and I didn't want to heat up the house brewing up one cup of coffee. ( Mrs Nix did take advantage of the abundant hot water to fix herself another cup of tea. ) I was not trying to tempt Sos24 or McStitchy in any way.
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Reply #659 on: May 31, 2021, 08:54:02 PM
Ah well... against everyones suggestions, and because it was payday, I went ahead and ordered a...


      ...Kelly Kettle  :D

With some luck it might arrive on Saturday even  :popcorn:


 

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