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us Offline gustophersmob

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Re: Not a good news...
Reply #30 on: May 08, 2024, 05:52:17 PM
Gotta agree with you GTMB - Vic got the rhetoric very badly wrong

If course they cannot challenge and take on dumb governments with unreasonable rules and directly say
"You got it all wrong guys - SAK (blades) are tools not weapons "
That would do the corporate reputation no good ...... it's not Vic's style and the world is not heading that way!!

But they could say something along the lines of
"We are building a set of SAKs for countries/places/jurisdictions where local laws do not allow a blade to be carried"
Then it just acknowledges what is happening in some places in the world - and  ....... as a good  product development and customer service company they are responding to that need!!  (But not necessarily agreeing with the rules.  :pok:    :tu:   ;) )

Actually they maybe could even preface it with something like:
"A blade has been an essential tool for generations, and still is for many people, in many roles and situations around the world,   however........ etc etc"

That sentence even uses one of their catch phrases....
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=1391

Well put, and this is exactly what I’m driving at. They can satisfy the knife less demand without veering into the political. 


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Re: Not a good news...
Reply #31 on: May 09, 2024, 02:15:03 AM
To be clear, I do not have a problem with bladeless tools in their own right.

My disagreement is more nuanced. The issue is being framed such that a SAK is a weapon, and it appears that victorinox is responding within that narrative frame. This is the quote that concerned me: “In some markets, the blade creates an image of a weapon.“

The “blade” isn’t creating the image, a narrative is being constructed (by dishonest people, imo) and that is what creates the image.

I think Vic would be better served long term to try and educate why a knife, especially a SAK, is a tool and not a weapon. And if they want to have bladeless models to meet demand, fine. Just not as an apparent capitulation to the crazies. They will never be satisfied anyway.

Victorinox is just being like water.  It goes around the rock to regroup on the other side and continue on it's way.  Vic is not saying the knife is a weapon, the GOVERNMENT is saying so.  Vic is just trying to continue to sell tools.

By the way, I agree with you and the other poster a ove who makes the "civilization" argument.   People should be trusted in polite society, not suspected.

Leatherman makes (made?) a bladeless Rebar.  Did we have this same argument back then?  Probably, now that I think of it


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Re: Not a good news...
Reply #32 on: May 11, 2024, 06:45:53 AM
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Re: Not a good news...
Reply #33 on: May 11, 2024, 07:03:32 AM
Victorinox is just being like water.  It goes around the rock to regroup on the other side and continue on it's way.  Vic is not saying the knife is a weapon, the GOVERNMENT is saying so.  Vic is just trying to continue to sell tools.

By the way, I agree with you and the other poster a ove who makes the "civilization" argument.   People should be trusted in polite society, not suspected.

Leatherman makes (made?) a bladeless Rebar.  Did we have this same argument back then?  Probably, now that I think of it

With you & the other poster. I'll add that banning SAKs - as well as ever-increasing paranoia over "security" & general increases in bureaucracy - really does feel to me like end-of-civilization stuff.
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Re: Not a good news...
Reply #34 on: August 29, 2024, 11:30:05 AM
According to what happens in the next few Months, it might be Germany will Bann Blades over 6cm ...  i dont know if it would be completly on the Puplic Room, or only on Puplic Transport.. , and whit an Swiss Army Knive, if they meassure wrong, like from the Scale to the Tip, you are over 6 cm

So an Bladeless Swiss Army Knive for Puplic Envroivments where maybe not that bad idea:

my Whislist where:
- instead of the Small Blade (Pen Blade) the Nail Cleaner from the Wenger /Delemont Collection) ,
- Pliers
- Scissors,
- this Bit Driver like the Cybertools got
- Bottle Opener
- this Package Opener Combo Tool from the Companion ..

On the Other side the usual stuff ..
Your SAK is only fully yours, when it bites you, or you opend a Trink of your joice whit it
SAKs i have: Huntsman Light (Red Transparent), Workchamp (Black), Wenger EvoGrip S557 (Red), Swisschamp XLT (Red Transparent).. Swisschamp (Blue Transparent) Cybertool L (Blue Celidor (custom scales) , Huntsman (Black Celidor) , Victorinox EvoGrip S557 (Red, but sadly lost in my house somewhere) Victorinox Delemont S17 and S57 ..  , waiting for: Swiza D09 Blue


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Re: Not a good news...
Reply #35 on: August 31, 2024, 06:09:36 PM
According to what happens in the next few Months, it might be Germany will Bann Blades over 6cm ...  i dont know if it would be completly on the Puplic Room, or only on Puplic Transport.. , and whit an Swiss Army Knive, if they meassure wrong, like from the Scale to the Tip, you are over 6 cm

So an Bladeless Swiss Army Knive for Puplic Envroivments where maybe not that bad idea:

my Whislist where:
- instead of the Small Blade (Pen Blade) the Nail Cleaner from the Wenger /Delemont Collection) ,
- Pliers
- Scissors,
- this Bit Driver like the Cybertools got
- Bottle Opener
- this Package Opener Combo Tool from the Companion ..

On the Other side the usual stuff ..

Yeah, our incompetent politicians. At least we got weed legalized.

Your selection of tools is very well thought.

How about the fish scaler? I would add it to it.


 

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