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Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23

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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #150 on: February 06, 2023, 05:40:45 AM
There's a survival instructor on YouTube somewhere that has said that he carries a Leatherman Wave, because he likes to have a serrated blade and a plain edge.  He says that serrated blades are best used for cutting man-made things, and plain edges are good for natural things. 

Makes good sense to me.  Serrated edge for plastic and paracord, plain edge for wood and food.
That does make sense :iagree:

I like the set up of the skele blade (same with the Opi 8 outdoor) with a straight edge at the end so good for food and then the serrated edge towards the ricasso where you can cut paracord, shred boxes etc

VIC tend to do it the other way around (eg butter blade on the spirit, 08 Soldier) which I still find quite useable but perhaps a little less utility. Still find both perfectly good in use having said that, perhaps as they’re less aggressive serrations :think:


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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #151 on: February 06, 2023, 06:10:37 AM
Serrated edge for plastic and paracord...
I've awlways had better luck cutting paracord with plain edges. Maybe I'm doing it wrong? :think:

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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #152 on: February 06, 2023, 12:53:36 PM
Day 6 - I posted yesterdays pic pretty late and almost forgot but not long after midnight I took todays pic but it didn't feel right to post them so close together. But I'm working nights and have to turn the sleep rhythm and was up until 4am and watched some TV and had a beer and used the Spatha to open said beer. I used the spine of the blade in the same way you would use a lighter/bolt/fork or anything else laying around

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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #153 on: February 06, 2023, 01:59:28 PM
That does make sense :iagree:

I like the set up of the skele blade (same with the Opi 8 outdoor) with a straight edge at the end so good for food and then the serrated edge towards the ricasso where you can cut paracord, shred boxes etc

VIC tend to do it the other way around (eg butter blade on the spirit, 08 Soldier) which I still find quite useable but perhaps a little less utility. Still find both perfectly good in use having said that, perhaps as they’re less aggressive serrations :think:

The vic serrations, being situated the way they are, allow you to "carve" with the plain edge of the blade, and when cutting a looped length of rope will allow you to flick the blade through with some momentum and finish the cut before the tip of the blade leaves the rope.  I think that's the advantage here.

But 6 in one, half a dozen in the other... as they say. 


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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #154 on: February 06, 2023, 02:07:00 PM
There's a survival instructor on YouTube somewhere that has said that he carries a Leatherman Wave, because he likes to have a serrated blade and a plain edge.  He says that serrated blades are best used for cutting man-made things, and plain edges are good for natural things. 

Makes good sense to me.  Serrated edge for plastic and paracord, plain edge for wood and food.

While it might pan out like that for some people on average, I think it's a misleading over simplification.
In general serrations excel on fibrous material, and slick surfaces where it's hard to penetrate and get the cut started. You'll find either in both of those camps (man made and nature).


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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #155 on: February 06, 2023, 02:33:42 PM
That does make sense :iagree:

I like the set up of the skele blade (same with the Opi 8 outdoor) with a straight edge at the end so good for food and then the serrated edge towards the ricasso where you can cut paracord, shred boxes etc

VIC tend to do it the other way around (eg butter blade on the spirit, 08 Soldier) which I still find quite useable but perhaps a little less utility. Still find both perfectly good in use having said that, perhaps as they’re less aggressive serrations :think:

Both have their place, I think. With my first ever CE blade arriving today, I'll be careful to not pretend I know this to be true, but I've used PE and SE enough to know that I sometimes prefer either at either end.
For general use I'd probably prefer PE at the tip and SE at the heel. The acute edge of the SE grind is great for push cuts and you want to keep the material close to the handle doing push cuts. The same is true when you're doing saw cuts through difficult materials.
For precision cuts and finishing off cuts against a cutting board, it's nice to have a section of PE at the tip. Actually, most of Spyderco's SE blades have this feature, though the PE section makes up significantly less of the blade than on their designated CE blades.

If any type of carving is on the table, I'd try to avoid SE at the heel. It's OK for making coarse speer cuts and such, but not ideal for detail work.
Like elevenblade mentions, serrations toward the tip will also prevent material slipping for unsupported cuts and aid in penetration all the way through your cutting motion.
One thing I do like about my serrated Spyderco Manbug Salt is that it has a very acute tooth at the very tip of the blade. This tooth penetrates packing tape and thin packaging very effortlessly and safely with minimal force applied. It's like having a mini gut hook at the tip, and I for most packages I just use that one groove at the tip for the whole cut. I find this especially useful when opening packages with delicate content.

In general I'm more inclined to prefer serrations toward the heel, but this is purely based on intuition. And there will always be exceptions.


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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #156 on: February 06, 2023, 02:34:47 PM
Day 6
More cutting, this time with scissors.
Horrible !
Even the SE would be better !
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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #157 on: February 06, 2023, 03:01:29 PM
Both have their place, I think. With my first ever CE blade arriving today, I'll be careful to not pretend I know this to be true, but I've used PE and SE enough to know that I sometimes prefer either at either end.
For general use I'd probably prefer PE at the tip and SE at the heel. The acute edge of the SE grind is great for push cuts and you want to keep the material close to the handle doing push cuts. The same is true when you're doing saw cuts through difficult materials.
For precision cuts and finishing off cuts against a cutting board, it's nice to have a section of PE at the tip. Actually, most of Spyderco's SE blades have this feature, though the PE section makes up significantly less of the blade than on their designated CE blades.

If any type of carving is on the table, I'd try to avoid SE at the heel. It's OK for making coarse speer cuts and such, but not ideal for detail work.
Like elevenblade mentions, serrations toward the tip will also prevent material slipping for unsupported cuts and aid in penetration all the way through your cutting motion.
One thing I do like about my serrated Spyderco Manbug Salt is that it has a very acute tooth at the very tip of the blade. This tooth penetrates packing tape and thin packaging very effortlessly and safely with minimal force applied. It's like having a mini gut hook at the tip, and I for most packages I just use that one groove at the tip for the whole cut. I find this especially useful when opening packages with delicate content.

In general I'm more inclined to prefer serrations toward the heel, but this is purely based on intuition. And there will always be exceptions.

Well said! :cheers:


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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #158 on: February 06, 2023, 03:51:50 PM
Day 6

No use today, but an informal poll. How do people feel about the holeless backside awl on the 08? I think it's my least favorite of the 3 current models. While I'm sure it's marginally more durable than the 91mm's sewing eye model (and one less place to get crudded up), the eye is "free" utility. The 93mm inline is my favorite, being both more comfortable to use, and a great secondary blade.

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I have never used the awl/reamer to sew and I highly doubt that I ever will, so the eye just serves to weaken a tool I use as a poker/scraper/center punch/drill.


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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #159 on: February 06, 2023, 10:11:20 PM

I have never used the awl/reamer to sew and I highly doubt that I ever will, so the eye just serves to weaken a tool I use as a poker/scraper/center punch/drill.

Agreed! I have never sewn using an awl but have done plenty of reaming/poking.

Day 6:

More box destruction!!



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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #160 on: February 06, 2023, 10:56:29 PM
It has finally arrived. My very first (true) CE.
It is also, Day of the Sámi People today, so my brand new Thin red line Endela had to share the spotlight with one of my oldest knives and my very first sámi knife (Leuku).



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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #161 on: February 07, 2023, 12:24:23 AM
Combo Edge Challenge
Day 6 of 30
Wenger Highlander

My wife has the 'niffles and needed a fresh box of tissues.



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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #162 on: February 07, 2023, 12:36:22 AM
It has finally arrived. My very first (true) CE.
It is also, Day of the Sámi People today, so my brand new Thin red line Endela had to share the spotlight with one of my oldest knives and my very first sámi knife (Leuku).

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Very nice!  I'm curious to see how you like the Endela.  Spyderco is supposed to be one of the best in manufacturing serrated blades.  I always think that the tip is too skinny and prone to breakage, but they seem very popular regardless. 


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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #163 on: February 07, 2023, 01:02:29 AM
Day 6

Opening a box of cancer and reproductive harm.




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Reply #164 on: February 07, 2023, 01:07:32 AM
Day 6

Opening a box of cancer and reproductive harm.


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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #165 on: February 07, 2023, 01:14:39 AM
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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #166 on: February 07, 2023, 02:27:30 AM
Day 7

Traditional challenge apple slice test. The nice beefy blade of the 08 did a great job. No discerernable difference between SE and PE.  [ You are not allowed to view this attachment ]  


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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #167 on: February 07, 2023, 03:29:28 AM
Day 6:

The 40-something-year-old feed box lid broke again, due to the fact the plywood sheet it's made out of is in really poor condition. Didn't have my phone for much of the work, so I didn't take as many photos as I should have.

I tried using what drywall screws I could scrape together and pieces of broken pallets. That didn't work well.

I used the entire tool set of the GAK--blade for carving and whittling (had to cut a stick as I'd misplaced the old, broken screwdriver that normally holds the feed box lid up), saw for cutting the old pallet lumber, large slotted screwdriver for prying and chiseling out the rotted remants in the bad part that failed, Phillips and can opener SD for turning Phillips, awl for starting screws.





The Crucial is too light duty for "big" jobs and me and the MP400/450 never got along well, so I brought out the MP600 AR Sight Tool; which has the ultimate MP600 blade. It is only shared with a Snap-On exclusive version, which I couldn't afford. I bought the cheapest MP600ST I Could find, only to find that the carbon scraper was broke. Gerber gave me a new one no questions asked.   I had to borrow a cutter for the Center Drive (yup, they shatter), so I need to buy new cutters or machine tool inserts (which I've heard break less).

Military kits replaced the now-retired MP600ST with the far more versatile Center Drive, which is basically a standard Center Drive with a special bit kit with M4-centric bits (with the sight tool being just a really big bit in the pouch--that slot now holds a 1/4 hex to 1/4 socket adapter). I have both, and use both. The Center Drive is far less specialized than the MP600, w which means I use it more.




I ended up screwing a board to the top using heavy screws leftover from having a new metal roof put on an outbuilding, and some stronger scrap lumber.  Old pallet lumber did not work, and it seemed to split and break under little pressure.



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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #168 on: February 07, 2023, 03:35:57 AM
Two low impact uses today...

1. cut open a bag of noodles to go with dinner

2.  trimmed the wrapper of a chocolate to find the sweepstakes code on the inside without ripping it in half (as I normally do), only to find that the sweepstakes is overwith. 


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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #169 on: February 07, 2023, 03:49:26 AM
Day 8

Bet I’m not the only one with jars of old screws, nails, washers and fasteners etc that you know one day will come in handy :D

No blade use so far but the PST II driver used to secure this empty wine box I found (googled the wine, apparently A$300 a bottle :ahhh, well out of my price range) settled for a beer :cheers:




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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #170 on: February 07, 2023, 07:14:26 AM
Day 8

Bet I’m not the only one with jars of old screws, nails, washers and fasteners etc that you know one day will come in handy :D

No blade use so far but the PST II driver used to secure this empty wine box I found (googled the wine, apparently A$300 a bottle :ahhh, well out of my price range) settled for a beer :cheers:

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I'm guilty to a jar or two like that. But the largest I ever seen are my dad's military chest with odd nuts and bolts. If I remember correct it's about 50x30 cm and maybe 20 cm high it is a pain to go through but you always find what you need


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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #171 on: February 07, 2023, 07:42:19 AM
I'm guilty to a jar or two like that. But the largest I ever seen are my dad's military chest with odd nuts and bolts. If I remember correct it's about 50x30 cm and maybe 20 cm high it is a pain to go through but you always find what you need
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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #172 on: February 07, 2023, 07:59:28 AM
And even though we know the store down the road carries all the screws we would ever need, we still hang on those jars.
And every time we use something from those jars, it feels like we should publish the magnificent result of our age-long foresight in the local newspaper, get an orchestra to accompany the moment, or something at least get a medal and the right to buy another MT to use the screws.
All I ever get is : "it's not the right color, dad !"


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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #173 on: February 07, 2023, 08:39:17 AM
And even though we know the store down the road carries all the screws we would ever need, we still hang on those jars.
And every time we use something from those jars, it feels like we should publish the magnificent result of our age-long foresight in the local newspaper, get an orchestra to accompany the moment, or something at least get a medal and the right to buy another MT to use the screws.
All I ever get is : "it's not the right color, dad !"
Hahaha exactly! :tu:


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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #174 on: February 07, 2023, 02:18:19 PM
Two low impact uses today...

1. cut open a bag of noodles to go with dinner

2.  trimmed the wrapper of a chocolate to find the sweepstakes code on the inside without ripping it in half (as I normally do), only to find that the sweepstakes is overwith.

Artsy!


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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #175 on: February 07, 2023, 03:25:09 PM
Hahaha exactly! :tu:
:iagree: I carried a large coffee can of nuts, bots, etc in my old '71 Volkswagen Camper for years.  I miss that can!  :rofl:
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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #176 on: February 07, 2023, 03:26:15 PM
Day 7:  Just a pic today, this time with my Wichard sailor's knife.
Barry


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Reply #177 on: February 07, 2023, 06:32:39 PM
Day 7:  Just a pic today, this time with my Wichard sailor's knife.

Nice!  Sailor’s knives are a great example of a combo edge put to good use.


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Reply #178 on: February 07, 2023, 07:26:26 PM
Thanks! I love them! 
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Re: Combo Edge Challenge 2/1-3/2/23
Reply #179 on: February 07, 2023, 07:56:06 PM
Day 7 - slept most of the day, picked up the kids, made dinner and then back to work. Opened the webbing around some fresh garlic for the chilli but I didn't take any pictures so here is one from the locker room

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