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Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools 834

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Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« on: May 12, 2017, 12:29:16 AM »
Might be a minority, but I imagine some of us carry or at least own non-lethal defense weapons, so let's show them off, yeah?

I'll start with my Kimber PepperBlaster II;




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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2017, 12:35:41 AM »
I have some 12 gauge shells reloaded with rock salt. Does that count?

Nate
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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2017, 12:43:00 AM »
I don't carry any less than lethal devices nowadays (or really any lethal ones other than a pocket knife) but I used to.  In my time I have carried the following:

Rapid Rotation Baton:


ASP baton:


Winchester Expandable Baton:


Monadnok PR-24 Side Handle Baton:


I also carried what was essentially bear spray, but in a dispenser designed for use on groups of people called Smiling Death Brand.  I don't think it exists anymore, but boy was it fun.  We also had access to some cool tazers and stun guns and we used to use them on each other when we weren't on duty.  like, everyone sitting around watching a game on Sunday afternoon, and someone gets up to go to the washroom and you coat his nachos with pepper spray or stick a stun gun in the cushions so when he'd sit down again he'd get zapped.

Ah the good old days....   :whistle:

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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2017, 12:50:05 AM »
Can't seem to locate my collapsible baton at the moment...

I have a Fury with a very grippy handle. Not as nice as an Asp, but pretty good for the price.
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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2017, 12:54:38 AM »
Batons are illegal around here sadly. I would carry one if I could.

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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2017, 03:55:31 AM »
Batons are illegal around here sadly. I would carry one if I could.
Same here. Batons, clubs, saps, pepper spray above a certain dose, fixed blade knives of any length, nunchucks, throwing stars, brass knucks, double edged knives, spring assisted knives, butterfly knives, gravity knives, any folding knife with blade over 3", the list goes on. All illegal to carry here.

So, I just carry a pistol and extra ammo. That is legal (with permit).

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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2017, 04:16:49 AM »
Batons are illegal around here sadly. I would carry one if I could.
Same here. Batons, clubs, saps, pepper spray above a certain dose, fixed blade knives of any length, nunchucks, throwing stars, brass knucks, double edged knives, spring assisted knives, butterfly knives, gravity knives, any folding knife with blade over 3", the list goes on. All illegal to carry here.

So, I just carry a pistol and extra ammo. That is legal (with permit).

Dang, mind me asking what state?

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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2017, 05:01:46 AM »
Seattle area of Washington State.

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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2017, 08:04:04 AM »
Batons are illegal around here sadly. I would carry one if I could.
Same here. Batons, clubs, saps, pepper spray above a certain dose, fixed blade knives of any length, nunchucks, throwing stars, brass knucks, double edged knives, spring assisted knives, butterfly knives, gravity knives, any folding knife with blade over 3", the list goes on. All illegal to carry here.

So, I just carry a pistol and extra ammo. That is legal (with permit).
So non-lethal is illegal, lethal is legal?
My head hurts.

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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2017, 02:03:08 PM »
Batons are illegal around here sadly. I would carry one if I could.
Same here. Batons, clubs, saps, pepper spray above a certain dose, fixed blade knives of any length, nunchucks, throwing stars, brass knucks, double edged knives, spring assisted knives, butterfly knives, gravity knives, any folding knife with blade over 3", the list goes on. All illegal to carry here.

So, I just carry a pistol and extra ammo. That is legal (with permit).

Yeesh...

The only thing on that list that's banned where I live is throwing stars.
To avoid getting overly political, I'll just say, that stinks.
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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2017, 11:45:02 AM »
Batons are illegal around here sadly. I would carry one if I could.
Same here. Batons, clubs, saps, pepper spray above a certain dose, fixed blade knives of any length, nunchucks, throwing stars, brass knucks, double edged knives, spring assisted knives, butterfly knives, gravity knives, any folding knife with blade over 3", the list goes on. All illegal to carry here.

So, I just carry a pistol and extra ammo. That is legal (with permit).
So non-lethal is illegal, lethal is legal?
My head hurts.

The US Constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms so states are limited to what they can legislate regarding firearms ownership and carry, although many do still try.  I believe carry permits are issued by the state though, which means that a license in one state is not necessarily valid in another, so even people with licenses have to be careful where they go.

There is no right to batons, pepper spray, knives, brass knuckles, ninja stars etc guaranteed by the constitution so states are free to legislate and/or ban those kinds of things all they like.

It leads to silly things like "you are a civilian and therefore can't carry a stunning gun but by all means feel free to carry a .357."

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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2017, 02:10:20 PM »
Batons are illegal around here sadly. I would carry one if I could.
Same here. Batons, clubs, saps, pepper spray above a certain dose, fixed blade knives of any length, nunchucks, throwing stars, brass knucks, double edged knives, spring assisted knives, butterfly knives, gravity knives, any folding knife with blade over 3", the list goes on. All illegal to carry here.

So, I just carry a pistol and extra ammo. That is legal (with permit).
So non-lethal is illegal, lethal is legal?
My head hurts.

The US Constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms so states are limited to what they can legislate regarding firearms ownership and carry, although many do still try.  I believe carry permits are issued by the state though, which means that a license in one state is not necessarily valid in another, so even people with licenses have to be careful where they go.

There is no right to batons, pepper spray, knives, brass knuckles, ninja stars etc guaranteed by the constitution so states are free to legislate and/or ban those kinds of things all they like.

It leads to silly things like "you are a civilian and therefore can't carry a stunning gun but by all means feel free to carry a .357."

Def

You are correct there. That's info any permit holder should keep handy about their specific state.
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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2017, 03:07:36 PM »
Correct and silly does not begin to describe it.

Laws change State by State and in Washington State: County by County; and City by City. What is called a Concealed Pistol License in this State is just that. It is not a concealed weapon license.BTW, Oregon is even odder in some places and they don't recognize any other State's Concealed Pistol/Weapon license.

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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2017, 06:49:20 AM »
Ive always been a fan of the humble pocket stick...... Kubotans and Koppo sticks are very underrated IMO.


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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2017, 05:23:15 PM »


carried always somewhere accessible: first defense: awareness, second: words, third: gestures, fourth: hands, fifth: spray, sixth: weapon



And some days, if I travel somewhere ugly (generally very late in the night) or far away where I feel like I might have trouble I carry a NN Multitool paired with a Knipex Cobra, which takes the place of the Blunt Nose multitool I often EDC and I pocket carry it (jacket/coat/large or cargo pocket) for utility but obvious secondary functions in mind. And it's just a tool, for repairing things and fixing your car ya know?   :tu:



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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2017, 03:02:20 AM »
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carried always somewhere accessible: first defense: awareness, second: words, third: gestures, fourth: hands, fifth: spray, sixth: weapon

(Image removed from quote.)

And some days, if I travel somewhere ugly (generally very late in the night) or far away where I feel like I might have trouble I carry a NN Multitool paired with a Knipex Cobra, which takes the place of the Blunt Nose multitool I often EDC and I pocket carry it (jacket/coat/large or cargo pocket) for utility but obvious secondary functions in mind. And it's just a tool, for repairing things and fixing your car ya know?   :tu:

(Image removed from quote.)

And clearly the Espada is for emergency nail trimming  :D :tu:
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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2017, 01:13:21 PM »
Of course it is... what else would you use an Espada for?

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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2017, 03:42:11 AM »
Come to Vermont. So long as it is under six feet long, you can conceal it if  you can own it.

Except for slungshot. Not sling shots, slungshot- a weight on a length of cord. Black jacks and saps are included; oddly enough, a manriki-gusari is not illegal (4-5' of light chain with a weight at either end), nor is a bola. That, and auto knives longer than 3", unless you are (or were) fire, EMS, LEO or military, or have a doctor's note certifying a disability .

Less than leathal... Steel toed sneakers? I used to carry a 21" ASP, but I got sick of denting floors closing it.

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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2017, 11:35:29 PM »
It's non lethal if I miss  :whistle:




But realistically, any weapons carry is forbidden for me. I can carry a knife as a tool - but our laws more or less mean "If you started the day carrying a weapon, it wasn't self defence - you were planning to get into a fight"

So you've just got to make sure you're always standing near a half brick or something when someone wants to throw down....

« Last Edit: May 24, 2017, 11:40:10 PM by Sea Monster »
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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2017, 06:20:23 PM »
Over here, if you have been training any fighting arts or sports, (long enough to maybe have learned something useful - like running), then you are legally considered to be using harmful tools. Basically in the same category as forks, dishes or the staple 2 by 4. Some get really disappointed to hear that after years of training their hands, feet and teeth still aren't considered lethal weapons.

Anyway, I don't carry anything normally. But I have on special moody occasion carried a shopping bag. Which just might have had something very hard and heavy inside it. Shopping bags are quick and easy to get most places in the world, quite discrete and the cloth ones actually last a while.






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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2017, 10:38:37 AM »
I carry myself around and I consider myself to be a rather less than lethal person.   :D

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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2017, 03:49:06 PM »
Alright, I finally got around to digging up the baton;





It's decent, though pretty heavy. Doesn't compare to an Asp, but the price point is considerably lower.
My advice to anyone looking at one of these Fury batons is avoid the longer models. The shorter ones are pretty stout, but the long ones feel really flimsy.
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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2017, 05:15:57 PM »
Batons are illegal around here sadly. I would carry one if I could.

+1

 :facepalm:

Recently, I re-began to carry my S&W Military & Police Pen.

The fob makes it easier to retrieve from the jacket pocket in a ready-to-use grip. I also carry a Fisher Space pen in my pocket. It's got a Volvo engraving (got it 2nd hand like that).

« Last Edit: June 08, 2017, 05:17:05 PM by pfrsantos »

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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2017, 01:55:15 PM »
I don't like messing around with batons, pepper spray, kubotons, and that stuff. If I am going someplace I can't carry my gun, then I'm carrying one of my walking sticks. Irish Blackthorn, hickory, ash. It's always there right in my hand ready to go, and I'd rather have 34 inches of well seasoned blackthorn than some silly little baton.

I keep them in an umbrella stand by the door and just grab one on the way out.


The one on the far right I bought in a little shop in Dublin. The shop owner had it in a rack of similar sticks labeled fighting sticks. It's oil finished instead of the traditional black lacquer finish, and very heavy and dense. I think it cold brain a brontosaurus. I'm not sure it's non lethal.
« Last Edit: September 15, 2017, 02:01:24 PM by cbl51 »
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Re: Non- (Or at Least Less-Than) Lethal Weapons and Tools
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2017, 04:16:55 PM »
I carry pepper gel pepper spray.  I've not had to use it as my first line of self defense,   Eye contact along with Jedi mind control usually works but some are resistant to my silky words  :rofl:

Truth is sometimes you will just have to walk away.  I know for some its a hard thing to do.  You are flooded with adrenaline/machismo and your man card is at stake.  Walk away.  Obviously there are times when you cannot.  There may come a time when you must posture to let the other person know you are as willing to engage.  Stay in control and stay cool.  I've learned there is always someone willing to go to jail over BS.  If you have served time then you know that is not somewhere you want to be especially at our age ( 40+).  Lots of money on lawyers and lots of lost time.  Its never worth the trip through the court system.   

         

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