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Grandfathers old Victoryinox Knife
on: January 17, 2025, 04:09:30 PM
Hello People
From Father and his Grandfather I received this old Victorinox (Elsener Schwyz) Pocketknife.
Could someone help me date it, or has further Background information?

All the help is much appreciated!

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Re: Grandfathers old Victoryinox Knife
Reply #1 on: January 17, 2025, 05:37:07 PM
Wow. This is an amazing and legit 100+ yr old knife. It looks like a Model 235U (the old version of the modern "Climber" model) probably made sometime in the later 1910s/early 1920s (I'm travelling so I don't have the info for an exact date). Couple of observations:
  • This knife is carbon steel, not stainless, hence the patina on it. This doesn't necessarily mean it was made before 1923 when Elsener introduced stainless steel as they made carbon steel SAKs well into the 1940s, but it is a good guess on the age.
  • The scales on this are rounded fiber, which is what you see on the oldest knives with fiber scales. Fiber scaled knives from the 30s tend to be very flat.
  • This is a three pin knife, so a little newer than the 4 pin knives from the 1900s-1910s
  • The inlay is machine cut, so a little newer than the earliest hand-cut logos. But still very old
  • The bottom of the can open is broken at the bottom, which seems to be the only real problem with this. Usually on knives of this age the blades are sharpened to nothing, the scissors are broken, etc.
This is a very valuable knife from a collector perspective - there are not a lot of knives from this era that have survived. 

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Re: Grandfathers old Victoryinox Knife
Reply #2 on: January 17, 2025, 06:42:55 PM
Very cool knife, and wonder a treasure to have as an heirloom!

Also, jazzbass, your wealth of knowledge is always amazing!
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Re: Grandfathers old Victoryinox Knife
Reply #3 on: January 17, 2025, 11:14:07 PM
Wow, thank you very much for the reply. I had no idea.
I am Swiss, so we always have lots of pocketknives laying around. We almost sold it for nothing, as someone wanted to give us 70.- How valuable is it actually? Is there somewhere I could read more about it?

Thank you very much for your helpful reply.

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Re: Grandfathers old Victoryinox Knife
Reply #4 on: January 18, 2025, 03:32:16 AM
Quote from: gustophersmob on January 17, 2025, 06:42:55 PM
Very cool knife, and wonder a treasure to have as an heirloom!

Also, jazzbass, your wealth of knowledge is always amazing!

I agree on both counts! :like: :iagree:
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Re: Grandfathers old Victoryinox Knife
Reply #5 on: January 18, 2025, 05:28:22 PM
Congrats,, great knife!!!  :like:
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Re: Grandfathers old Victoryinox Knife
Reply #6 on: January 18, 2025, 05:29:31 PM
Quote from: jazzbass on January 17, 2025, 05:37:07 PM
Wow. This is an amazing and legit 100+ yr old knife. It looks like a Model 235U (the old version of the modern "Climber" model) probably made sometime in the later 1910s/early 1920s (I'm travelling so I don't have the info for an exact date). Couple of observations:
  • This knife is carbon steel, not stainless, hence the patina on it. This doesn't necessarily mean it was made before 1923 when Elsener introduced stainless steel as they made carbon steel SAKs well into the 1940s, but it is a good guess on the age.
  • The scales on this are rounded fiber, which is what you see on the oldest knives with fiber scales. Fiber scaled knives from the 30s tend to be very flat.
  • This is a three pin knife, so a little newer than the 4 pin knives from the 1900s-1910s
  • The inlay is machine cut, so a little newer than the earliest hand-cut logos. But still very old
  • The bottom of the can open is broken at the bottom, which seems to be the only real problem with this. Usually on knives of this age the blades are sharpened to nothing, the scissors are broken, etc.
This is a very valuable knife from a collector perspective - there are not a lot of knives from this era that have survived.
I was hoping you would see and respond to this one.
 :cheers:
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Re: Grandfathers old Victoryinox Knife
Reply #7 on: January 18, 2025, 07:45:41 PM
Quote from: nate j on January 18, 2025, 05:29:31 PM
I was hoping you would see and respond to this one.
 :cheers:

I did. super grateful for @jazzbass reply. I would like to read more, are there specific books for that sort of informations?
How much is that knife worth?

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Re: Grandfathers old Victoryinox Knife
Reply #8 on: January 18, 2025, 08:13:23 PM
Quote from: pehetec625 on January 18, 2025, 07:45:41 PM
How much is that knife worth?

I think it is worth at least $800 US Dollars.  I think I paid more for mine which is similar time frame (I think yours is older), since there was another bidder interested in it.
It is always difficult to determine value as it matters how much someone wants it and is willing to have it in their collection.
Mine:
Rest in peace ColoSwiss, you will always be remembered.
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Re: Grandfathers old Victoryinox Knife
Reply #9 on: January 19, 2025, 01:38:11 PM
Nice knife, FB!  :like: :like: :cheers:
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Re: Grandfathers old Victoryinox Knife
Reply #10 on: January 19, 2025, 05:07:35 PM
Rest in peace ColoSwiss, you will always be remembered.
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Re: Grandfathers old Victoryinox Knife
Reply #11 on: January 19, 2025, 10:20:40 PM
Quote from: FolderBeholder on January 18, 2025, 08:13:23 PM
I think it is worth at least $800 US Dollars.  I think I paid more for mine which is similar time frame (I think yours is older), since there was another bidder interested in it.
It is always difficult to determine value as it matters how much someone wants it and is willing to have it in their collection.
Mine:

ah cool, wow thats crazy. never would have tought that. we have more. if you like i can post the other two, altough much never. maybe someone would be glad to have them.

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Re: Grandfathers old Victoryinox Knife
Reply #12 on: January 19, 2025, 10:24:46 PM
Lovely old knife you have there.

I think it would clean up nicely - Just some wire wool and oil on the metal and 'inside'.
So that it looks similar to FB's - Although it's important not to over-restore/clean - At least IMHO
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Re: Grandfathers old Victoryinox Knife
Reply #13 on: January 20, 2025, 12:08:24 AM
PS. You might want to try the catalogues page in the Wiki
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Swiss+Army+Knife+Catalogs
Eg The one from 1903 - Your knife is on page 6.

Other pages in the Wiki may be useful - Eg The books page - You might want to track one of them down.
Also there is the Vintage SAKs page here at MT.o and several other threads in MTo on old models
- Have a dig around and particularly look out for JB's posts!!

And/or try Elsinox/Ulli's website - And JazzBass's book when it comes out!  ;)
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Re: Grandfathers old Victoryinox Knife
Reply #14 on: January 20, 2025, 12:21:50 AM
PPS.
The other two knives (Standard/Spartan) are much more recent .

The top one confused me, as my spreadsheet says the four looped, smooth corkscrew came in in 1991 - But the awl had a hole post 85. So a contradiction! :(
We often get this with SAKs - Possibly using up old awls on a custom/special run?  ???
I am sure JB,or smarter/more knowledgeable folk, can explain.

The second one would be '80 - '85:
Four looped fluted corkscrew, no sewing eye in awl, stainless steel cross (?) 
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Re: Grandfathers old Victoryinox Knife
Reply #15 on: January 20, 2025, 02:57:14 AM
If only that old knife could talk.

Ill bet it has seen many things and used for many things.
obviously well used and probably loved.
Ill lay money on the fact that it was in his pocket every day.
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Re: Grandfathers old Victoryinox Knife
Reply #16 on: January 20, 2025, 05:54:09 PM
Many, many thanks, for all the helpful replies. I appreciate it a lot. Super valuable to me.

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Re: Grandfathers old Victoryinox Knife
Reply #17 on: January 20, 2025, 10:35:59 PM
A fantastic old SAK. Definitely keep it in the family! :tu:

As for the combination of no sewing eye in the awl and smooth corkscrew: if the SAK in question was a user, it's possible one tool or the other was replaced under warranty.
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Re: Grandfathers old Victoryinox Knife
Reply #18 on: January 20, 2025, 11:44:07 PM
This knife is incredible!  Congratulations on such a wonderful family heirloom. 

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Re: Grandfathers old Victoryinox Knife
Reply #19 on: January 21, 2025, 05:58:24 PM
Quote from: pehetec625 on January 20, 2025, 05:54:09 PM
Many, many thanks, for all the helpful replies. I appreciate it a lot. Super valuable to me.
Welcome aboard! Very nice SAKs you got there. Thanks for sharing!

 :cheers: :tu:
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It is just a matter of time before they add the word “Syndrome” after my last name.

I don't have OCD, I have OCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ.

I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.

Eff the ineffable, scrut the inscrutable.

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