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Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion

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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #30 on: August 16, 2025, 03:40:21 AM
It probably comes down to what you need. I’m not necessarily saying it’s a bad tool, just that it won’t do what I want it to to replace the can opener.
What I meant was the trade-offs might make some sense if the package opener would pass through security screenings where a knife blade wouldn’t.  But if it won’t, it’s completely and utterly pointless IMO.


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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #31 on: August 16, 2025, 03:42:35 AM
Ah, I understand now. I agree  :tu:


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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #32 on: August 16, 2025, 04:03:33 AM
Sorry to read of your disappointment!

Victorinox has been misleading users about the bladeless models.  That buyers thought these were already TSA approved. That was never indicated. Just assumed.

The Celidor Companion model only provides for the new package tool, and the pen sized file as offered on several same sized models.  Just lower price than the stylish release, yet a tad over priced imho.

Just like the majority here, the search will continue😉

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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #33 on: August 16, 2025, 04:57:17 AM
...one thing I've realized is that alox, specifically the pioneer, just gives me the warm fuzzies.  There's a certain je ne sais quoi about it.  The Companion, and other cellidor for that matter, just feel more like function over form; strictly a tool and lacking that aesthetic in some way.  Not that just a tool is bad, but that is part of the decision difficulty for me.

As a musician, the analogy comes to mind that trying to get excited about cellidor is like getting excited about new tires or something, whereas the pioneer is like getting excited about a new guitar.  There's a "there" there.

My sentiments exactly... 👍👍

The robust 93mm alox's have "ruined" both the 84mm and 91mm cellidor ranges for me. I dislike the flimsy feel of their cellidor frames and the thinner tools.

Strangely enough, I prefer the 58mm and 74mm cellidors over their alox cousins, for their thickness and scale tools.
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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #34 on: August 16, 2025, 05:20:27 AM
The robust 93mm alox's have "ruined" both the 84mm and 91mm cellidor ranges for me. I dislike the flimsy feel of their cellidor frames and the thinner tools.

Strangely enough, I prefer the 58mm and 74mm cellidors over their alox cousins, for their thickness and scale tools.
Not so strange IMO….

The 93mm tools actually are thicker and beefier than the 84mm or 91mm tools.

Whereas with the 58mm and 74mm, the tools are exactly the same between the cellidor and alox models.


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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #35 on: August 16, 2025, 06:21:18 AM
...with the pioneer X it just felt so dense, like a little brick in the pocket...

I agree, the X feels dense and heavy compared to the sleek Pioneer.

Here is an idea from left-field... Have you ever considered changing your carry method?  :pok:

When I did this, a whole new world opened up for carrying the heavier and thicker alox models.

For years I used to hang a Cadet or Pioneer from the corner of the LFP. It would be comfy, and not print much of an outline. A Pioneer X (one layer thicker) however would print an outline, and was noticeable. The pocket hanger was also fairly obvious to a trained eye.

I now hang them from my belt on a paracord loop, to also dangle vertically inside the LFP, but on the opposite side of the pocket. Weight is now a non-issue, and I can carry a Pioneer X or Farmer without noticing them, or printing a significant outline. The lanyard is trivial to loop around the belt without removing the belt, and easy to unclip from the knife when used. The lanyard is surprisingly hard to spot on a dark belt. I usually cover it with the tip of the belt.

I have two lengths of paracord loops to cater for different pocket designs, like jeans vs khaki slacks etc.







Apologies for the detour, back to the Companion talk again...  :salute:
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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #36 on: August 16, 2025, 06:47:19 AM
I initially liked the idea of a package opener, until I realised it would probably need frequent sharpening? The stainless steel on Vic blades is not known for its wear resistance, and you are focussing a whole lot of cutting and wear on a tiny cutting edge... Not a recipe for longevity...
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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #37 on: August 16, 2025, 08:34:26 AM
So ... I'm not especially taken by the Companion either way (and I'm a T&T fan so Alex is not my sweet spot though I do carry it from time to time) but what is the Companion Slim Alox achieving? I'd not seen this until today and I'm not sure I get the point...
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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #38 on: August 16, 2025, 02:53:44 PM
My sentiments exactly... 👍👍

The robust 93mm alox's have "ruined" both the 84mm and 91mm cellidor ranges for me. I dislike the flimsy feel of their cellidor frames and the thinner tools.

Strangely enough, I prefer the 58mm and 74mm cellidors over their alox cousins, for their thickness and scale tools.

I’ve never owned a 74mm, but I still prefer alox in the 58mm. That being said, I’m not as opposed to cellidor on the smaller platform because, as nate j says, the tools/construction are still basically the same.


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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #39 on: August 16, 2025, 02:56:59 PM
I agree, the X feels dense and heavy compared to the sleek Pioneer.

Here is an idea from left-field... Have you ever considered changing your carry method?  :pok:

When I did this, a whole new world opened up for carrying the heavier and thicker alox models.

For years I used to hang a Cadet or Pioneer from the corner of the LFP. It would be comfy, and not print much of an outline. A Pioneer X (one layer thicker) however would print an outline, and was noticeable. The pocket hanger was also fairly obvious to a trained eye.

I now hang them from my belt on a paracord loop, to also dangle vertically inside the LFP, but on the opposite side of the pocket. Weight is now a non-issue, and I can carry a Pioneer X or Farmer without noticing them, or printing a significant outline. The lanyard is trivial to loop around the belt without removing the belt, and easy to unclip from the knife when used. The lanyard is surprisingly hard to spot on a dark belt. I usually cover it with the tip of the belt.

I have two lengths of paracord loops to cater for different pocket designs, like jeans vs khaki slacks etc.







Apologies for the detour, back to the Companion talk again...  :salute:

No apologies needed, this is MTO, detours are practically mandatory! :D

I like your idea, though I’ve always preferred loose in pocket carry. I’ve also always removed the keyring nub from my carry alox, so that’s a bit of a challenge to try this…

I did briefly experiment with a homemade leather pocket caddy, but didn’t like the bulk or the extra effort needed to retrieve an item.


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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #40 on: August 16, 2025, 02:59:17 PM
I initially liked the idea of a package opener, until I realised it would probably need frequent sharpening? The stainless steel on Vic blades is not known for its wear resistance, and you are focussing a whole lot of cutting and wear on a tiny cutting edge... Not a recipe for longevity...

I wondered about that as well, though I’d almost prefer it was a little more dull like the can opener, at least on the protruding “tooth” part of the package opener.

I think that tooth would be reasonable to sharpen, but the serrations seem problematic. The grooves are small and I’ve not seen a sharpening rod skinny enough to work for that.


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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #41 on: August 16, 2025, 03:01:01 PM
So ... I'm not especially taken by the Companion either way (and I'm a T&T fan so Alex is not my sweet spot though I do carry it from time to time) but what is the Companion Slim Alox achieving? I'd not seen this until today and I'm not sure I get the point...

I think it could make some sense if you live in a jurisdiction that basically bans blades.  Assuming they don’t consider the package opener a blade. I think there’s almost no way TSA in the US would be ok with the package opener, so I don’t see it as a good option to fly with.


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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #42 on: August 16, 2025, 03:57:59 PM
Well, the companion is safely on its way back to Victorinox. I guess there’s no getting around the fact that the pioneer is probably the perfect pocket knife for me (though a cadet X could possibly change my mind).

Now back to the alox scales, smooth backside, and the opener later as god intended.


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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #43 on: August 16, 2025, 04:18:37 PM
I love the RED!

And the wear on your Pioneer is more advanced than mine😉 🌹

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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #44 on: August 16, 2025, 04:24:27 PM
Very nice! And $25 is a steal!

I carried a black pioneer for 6 years prior to receiving the 2018 berry red one for Christmas that year. I’ve carried the red one since, so over 6.5 years now.

Here’s a couple pics of Ol’Blackie. Not quite as black anymore!


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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #45 on: August 16, 2025, 04:36:15 PM
That is sweet!

I kick myself, for not buying a few more when Cutlery Shoppe had those Pioneer for sale. 

And yes the DARK GREY is a tint different than an actual BLACK when I compared it to a BLACK Alox at a store.

For the price, I used it as a work knife, cutting cable sheathing and stripping wire when installing parking equipment on parking lots and cutting loops for vehicle detection.   Rough concrete prematurely aged mine.
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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #46 on: August 19, 2025, 06:29:38 PM
I got the alox slim 3 bladed one and it's quite functional, keep looking for the knife blade though... Put the package opener on a pioneer x or farmer x would be a better set up. Have the cellidor inbound and will test for a month if its more practical than a climber. Worst case put it in car glove box or first aid kit.of

Also would like to see the package tool replace the magnifying glass on the explorer.


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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #47 on: August 20, 2025, 12:40:07 AM
Also would like to see the package tool replace the magnifying glass on the explorer.
Blasphemy!  :viking:

Joking aside, different strokes for different folks, but I can’t see how a package opener on a tool that already has two knife blades would be more valuable than the mag glass (or any other unique tool).


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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #48 on: August 20, 2025, 02:37:31 AM
Re the OP.......  :iagree:   Me too

I think the Companion would be a really nice EDC tool.
I like that it has the nailfile; and the box-opener would be really handy.

I awlready have two Companions: The Swiss Spirit and the New Yorker
But they are so nice and special - That maybe I should keep them pristine and as 'collectibles'/shelf queens   :o
But then that kind of goes against my view that SAKs/MTs are for using (.... says the man with a collection of 200+ SAKs   :pok:   :rofl:)

What are your views team?   ???
  • New Celllidor Companion for EDC?
  • Start to EDC one of my other Companions?
  • Do nothing and just stick with the current EDC set up: Climbers, Explorer, Compact?
I could almost do a poll on that  !!
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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #49 on: August 20, 2025, 03:03:01 AM
I don't think there's any reason to switch off of an existing 3-4 layer SAK for the Companion set for general EDC. The package opener does open packages very well, but the can opener is more versatile. The file for blade swap is a little better,  but then I'd rather just carry a Wenger and keep the CO, the semi-locking flathead, etc.

I really wish Vic had gotten the file onto the Alox Companion, but I guess they'd need a "matching" tool for the layer (can opener AND package opener?) I picked up the gold one and, while I wouldn't trust it through TSA, it's be a good choice for lower security venues like stadiums.

I think the Sydney Style is one of the best cosmetic scale variants they've done in ages, and I might pick one up. If not, I'm sure I'll get a basic Cellidor eventually.


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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #50 on: August 20, 2025, 03:11:15 AM
I did order the Cellidor COMPANION. 

And, after two days, I was not feeling “it”  and then did a side by side to my COMPACT which is assigned to my crossbody bag sitting next to my Spirit BxSB.

It came down to COMPACT being two layers and the COMPANION being  three layers.   The COMPACT kept its place.

A SPARTAN  is 1st choice for pocket carry, or my PIONEER.

The COMPANION is nearby, and I have tried the package tool several times, it works, yet I can use a knife or pen blade just as easily.

@Huntsman - I was not aware of a Swiss Spirit model of the COMPANION, is it a unique scale design as the Sydney, Paris and NewYork models?
I just could buy those models due to the price and then likely a display unit.

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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #51 on: August 20, 2025, 03:50:19 AM
This is gonna sound weird, but I am seeing myself going more for the Companion Slim. For the majority of cutting chores--scissors are enough. For much of the tough-to-cut stuff, the package opener's tip and serrations should do it. If I do need a blade--I've got more than enough fairly lightweight one-hand-open folders ready.

That being said, even if the Slim is Alox, I just don't see any advantage over the regular Companion. They're practically the same price, yet you gain almost double the tools (blade, nail file, awl, scissors, hook, toothpick, tweezers, pen--and I can add a straight pin and the micro driver).  In addition, I rarely go in any "no weapons" places where a blade could cause trouble--just one doctor that is inside a hospital. For that, I just leave my stuff in the car.

Now the one that's just scissors--I'm definitely getting it alongside the regular Companion. It's technically bladeless (for most bladeless jobs, I go with a Swiss Tech + OPT), and adds scissors to any tool/knife that doesn't have them. Also, due to dropping the openers layer, it's considerably cheaper than the other Companions.  Heavy farm/shop type cutting is often challenging for 58mm, but 91mm and up scissors are plenty sturdy.


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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #52 on: August 20, 2025, 05:29:43 AM
From your considerations, you laid out in your post the Pioneer X would be a wise choice.
Pioneer 93 mm verse 91, also called a STURDY MODEL.
Harty tools are in place,  each are more robust than other Vic tools in the 91s. Plus two blades and a AWL. THE AWL IS AWL important on the farm, even if opening packages 😜

A 3 layer just as the Celidor companion.

The COMPACT is the only scissors model in 91mm and two layers I believe.

ImHO, the COMPANION VERSIONS, are an urban use tool.
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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #53 on: August 20, 2025, 12:46:28 PM
@Huntsman - I was not aware of a Swiss Spirit model of the COMPANION, is it a unique scale design as the Sydney, Paris and NewYork models?

It's in the Wiki Companion page here:
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Companion+91+mm
And the Spirit page here:
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Swiss+Spirit+Special+Edition

There is awlso is a video about it in this thread here: https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,94197.msg2540343.html#msg2540343


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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #54 on: August 21, 2025, 01:22:04 PM
It's not always about TSA.
Some work environments ban blade carrying, but still a sensible guy wants to have a few tools with him. A friend of mine works at a factory that would just fire anyone found with a blade on himself, and so reverted to the Jetsetter@Work. Now he's contemplating a Companion Celidor.
Same with me!

What I meant was the trade-offs might make some sense if the package opener would pass through security screenings where a knife blade wouldn’t.  But if it won’t, it’s completely and utterly pointless IMO.
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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #55 on: August 21, 2025, 01:25:12 PM
It's not always about TSA.
Some work environments ban blade carrying, but still a sensible guy wants to have a few tools with him. A friend of mine works at a factory that would just fire anyone found with a blade on himself, and so reverted to the Jetsetter@Work. Now he's contemplating a Companion Celidor.
Same with me!

The cellidor companion has a full size knife blade.


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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #56 on: August 21, 2025, 01:50:14 PM
The cellidor companion has a full size knife blade.

That's the sort of confusion that arises from naming four very different items "companion".  Would any potential customer actually refuse to buy if the word 'bladeless' had been included in the names? 
Best wishes.  G
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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #57 on: August 21, 2025, 02:22:40 PM
That's the sort of confusion that arises from naming four very different items "companion".  Would any potential customer actually refuse to buy if the word 'bladeless' had been included in the names? 
Best wishes.  G
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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #58 on: August 21, 2025, 02:52:12 PM
It's in the Wiki Companion page here:
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Companion+91+mm
And the Spirit page here:
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Swiss+Spirit+Special+Edition

There is awlso is a video about it in this thread here: https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,94197.msg2540343.html#msg2540343

Thank you!  :cheers:

As shared previously, I feel I a complete novice regarding SAK models.   Wenger and Victorinox models are in so many configurations.

You do a great job contributing to SAKWIKI.   I learn each time I visit!!! 

Just as this time I realized the COMPANION is built on the CLIMBER frame 😱. One of my goto patterns. 

PIONEER and SPARTAN models are yet nick and nick for daily pocket carry, with a COMPACT in my carry bag along side a Spirit (Bo) MXBS.


PS: your wood scaled COMPANION is a beautiful knife. I would have bought I knew of that series before yesterday 😉
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Re: Contemplating the New Cellidor Companion
Reply #59 on: August 22, 2025, 12:27:55 AM
Thanks for the nice feedback LC - We do our best and comments like this are much appreciated    :D    :cheers:

And yes the configuration options are quite bewildering - especially for the 85mm Wengers !!  :o
And even SAKWiki is not awlways complete on those - ie a new variation turns up


 

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