Victorinox Synergy X

[Brock O Lee]

I was talking about the pocket clip holes and the holes in the scales for the pocket clip.

The pivot holes are still 3mm.

Ok, thanks for clarifying...

[gustophersmob]

That's correct, had to remove the pocket clip, drill the holes to 2.5mm since Victorinox had the pin step down to 1.6mm, then rivet it back in place with the barrel and screw in place.  Used red locktite on the screw.  Upon assembly everything went together fine and tightened just fine.

Well done, seems like an elegant solution and it certainly turned out nice

[lazar]

Ok, thanks for clarifying...

Of course 

Well done, seems like an elegant solution and it certainly turned out nice

Thanks! 

[nate j]

as much as I love the rambler, I'd not want to carry it in addition to a 91/93mm

Personally, I think the Rambler and something like a Spartan, Pioneer, Swiss Army 7, etc. makes for a great combo with minimal tool overlap.

[fullbreakfast]

Personally, I think the Rambler and something like a Spartan, Pioneer, Swiss Army 7, etc. makes for a great combo with minimal tool overlap.

I am becoming somewhat obsessed with dual-carrying SAKs. There are so many interesting combinations you can do…

[matzesu]

I carry my Synergy X now along whit the Swisscard Classic, and the Ratschett Bit Set which came whit the Swisstool..
Day 4 after pick up from Packstation and I still not hurt me while I did close it..

Also I still think the holes in the scale dosnt weak it: the Blade an the Skizzors are hinged to the full material side, only the bottle opener and finger nail clean tool are on the hole site,
And I would not use this SAK for heavy prying work, ..
and I have still the Swisstool in my Backpack..

The Synergy is for me an every day carry pocket knife, ..

Wonder what Victorinox would came up whit in the Future, maybe an Synergy Swisschamp..

[BPRoberts]

FYI for anyone iffy on pulling the trigger on a Synergy X, they will be the VSAKC club knife this year (at a small markup) in the dark blue color. Lately, club models have been mostly the same (minus cosmetic differences) all over, so probably the same model for the other clubs.

[Richard Zheng]

Personally, I think the Rambler and something like a Spartan, Pioneer, Swiss Army 7, etc. makes for a great combo with minimal tool overlap.

I used to carry  Pioneer X Alox and a rambler with me, but I've sinced moved on to carrying a compact (in combination with my swisstool XC) since it just has everything I need in one package

[Djiaux]

Looks pretty cool but I think there are three things I'm not sure about

+ The small file has no serrated edge, right? To me that's a feature of Victorinox files. Ok, this one is small. I still hope is good quality

+ This model loses all the back tools. Is it because of the liner lock? I think that is a big con. The same model but classic style has the hook, the screw and the awl.

+ The price! Yikes, 94 euros. The same model but classic is about 47. Would love to get one but that is too steep for what I'm getting.

All in all, it is still a pretty big innovation and a cool pocket knife. Hope you enjoy it guys.

[gustophersmob]

Looks pretty cool but I think there are three things I'm not sure about

+ The small file has no serrated edge, right? To me that's a feature of Victorinox files. Ok, this one is small. I still hope is good quality

+ This model loses all the back tools. Is it because of the liner lock? I think that is a big con. The same model but classic style has the hook, the screw and the awl.

+ The price! Yikes, 94 euros. The same model but classic is about 47. Would love to get one but that is too steep for what I'm getting.

All in all, it is still a pretty big innovation and a cool pocket knife. Hope you enjoy it guys.

The file is intended for grooming, not necessarily for material removal, though it can work. That’s likely why there’s no saw edge.

There’s no back tools because it’s alox. That’s how they all are.

[nate j]

I used to carry  Pioneer X Alox and a rambler with me, but I've sinced moved on to carrying a compact (in combination with my swisstool XC) since it just has everything I need in one package

The inclusion of the Swisstool XC certainly changes the equation.

While the Compact gets an impressive number of features into a two-layer SAK, I’ve long felt the lack of a really effective Phillips screwdriver is its Achilles heel.

Is the Compact covering needs that the SwissTool doesn’t?
 

[Grand_Banana]

The inclusion of the Swisstool XC certainly changes the equation.

While the Compact gets an impressive number of features into a two-layer SAK, I’ve long felt the lack of a really effective Phillips screwdriver is its Achilles heel.

Is the Compact covering needs that the SwissTool doesn’t?
 

I’ve carried a Compact with my Spirit XC a couple of times and I’d say the two different types of scissors (more like snips on the Spirit), the PE blade, and having the hook and corkscrew (and of course scale tools) is really helpful.  I don’t much anymore because I just ended up having the Explorer on me more often and it was more helpful in the longterm with the additional screwdriver and the mag lens.  Plus who doesn’t want to have TWO can openers on their person at all times? 

I wonder if you share the same thoughts about the Compact as a good pair Richard?

[ComboTool]

A question for someone who has both a 91mm Companion and a Synergy (X): are the nail file and the package opener the same in 91 and 93mm (besides the pivot hole diameter of course) or do they have different thicknesses?

[Huntsman]

I was pondering on this very question myself in the last day or two.
I would assume that the PO at least would be thicker as the opener tools on the 93mm family are thicker than their 91mm counterparts.
Unless they popped in some washers to make up the gap.
Let’s see what comes back from the Knights 

[BerkshireHunter]

For me, the skeletonized look is not great. Plus I really do like the can opener layer, I'd feel more naked without that than missing scissors. The pocket clip seems vulnerable, the increased price... lack of a better steel.
I'm not won over on it yet and will likely hold off.
I'd really like a pioneer with nail file, that would be ideal.

[Jazz]

Here's an important observation, for me anyway. When a clip is riveted on, and gets bent out somehow, it's harder to straighten and not wreck it. I might add, I like the riveted knives Victorinox makes. Looks better, and is stronger, in my opinion. Not sure I have any real point here, except I'm not a riveted clip fan.

[BPRoberts]

I could take or leave clips in general. I work a job where I don't want everyone to be able to look at my pocket and see I'm carrying a knife, even a little ol' Swiss Army Knife. I do feel like if you are going to do a clip in 2025, unless you have a very good/specific reason, it should at least be a 2 position clip, and probably a 4. OTOH, it's Victorinox, so the fact that we got a pocket clip before the Yellowstone Caldera went off is a miracle in and of itself.

[Myron]

Totally agree with Mr. Roberts on this.  I was looking forward to trying out the clip thing and possibly converting my life to it.  Unfortunately the new Vx clip is too weak, even for a pocket with a heavy seam, like jeans.  I just don't trust that my knife won't slip out. 

I'm thinking of removing the clip from my new Synergy and carrying it the old fashioned way.

[gustophersmob]

Totally agree with Mr. Roberts on this.  I was looking forward to trying out the clip thing and possibly converting my life to it.  Unfortunately the new Vx clip is too weak, even for a pocket with a heavy seam, like jeans.  I just don't trust that my knife won't slip out. 

I'm thinking of removing the clip from my new Synergy and carrying it the old fashioned way.

I think removing the clip may present two issues:
1) it looks like one of the rivets would be held captive by the back spring, so you couldn’t just drill out the exposed rivet head and pull it out.
2) the clip is recessed into the alox scale, so removing it may look/feel odd.

[lazar]

I think removing the clip may present two issues:
1) it looks like one of the rivets would be held captive by the back spring, so you couldn’t just drill out the exposed rivet head and pull it out.
2) the clip is recessed into the alox scale, so removing it may look/feel odd.

I took apart my Synergy X and if you look inside, nothing is holding it in there besides the rivet itself.  So you could remove the pocket clip and then push out the pins.

Your right though in that it would look a little odd.

[gustophersmob]

I took apart my Synergy X and if you look inside, nothing is holding it in there besides the rivet itself.  So you could remove the pocket clip and then push out the pins.

Your right though in that it would look a little odd.

I probably didn’t explain myself well, but I meant trying to remove the pocket clip without disassembling the knife. You’d have to drill out both rivet head from the outside of the clip, then you could push one rivet through the scale to the inside of the knife to remove, but the other rivet looks to be blocked by the back spring.

[lazar]

I probably didn’t explain myself well, but I meant trying to remove the pocket clip without disassembling the knife. You’d have to drill out both rivet head from the outside of the clip, then you could push one rivet through the scale to the inside of the knife to remove, but the other rivet looks to be blocked by the back spring.

I understood what you said.  You can remove the pocket clip and the rivet without disassembling the knife.  Nothing blocking the rivet on the inside of the knife.

[gustophersmob]

I understood what you said.  You can remove the pocket clip and the rivet without disassembling the knife.  Nothing blocking the rivet on the inside of the knife.

Ah, ok. That’s good to know 

[rep]

I don't have a Synergy, but I do have a Companion Slim, so I did a few thickness comparison measurements with my calipers.  All taken at the tang.  Anyone that has a Synergy, or something else interesting, can chime in here.

                                blade          screwdriver             can opener                                   knife thickness
electrician (1990's)  2.7 mm          2.2                            2.0 (electrician  blade)                11.4 mm
pioneer x (2023)    2.7                  2.2                             2.2                                                  14.7
climber  (1980's)    2.3                  2.0                             2.0                                                  17
Companion slim    none              2.2                              2.2 (package opener)                  11.4

[Huntsman]

Thanks Rep

From this can we deduce that the package opener on the Alox models are thicker than the Cellidor ones: 2.2 vs 2.0? 
- See the can-opener column

PS - I got a bit confused by the knife thickness column - thinking "Wow - That is a very thick blade!"
- Then I realised that that is the whole SAK!         

[Richard Zheng]

Thanks Rep

From this can we deduce that the package opener on the Alox models are thicker than the Cellidor ones: 2.2 vs 2.0? 
- See the can-opener column

PS - I got a bit confused by the knife thickness column - thinking "That is a very thick blade!"
- Then I realised that that is the whole SAK   

A 17mm thick blade would be like an axe!

[mzil]

https://youtu.be/6O1jQ6MMEcI?si=4ktc30LNxQh0FUqn
Youtube title: "Victorinox Synergy X Alox FIRST MOD!"

[ComboTool]

                                blade          screwdriver             can opener                                   knife thickness
electrician (1990's)  2.7 mm          2.2                            2.0 (electrician  blade)                11.4 mm
pioneer x (2023)    2.7                  2.2                             2.2                                                  14.7
climber  (1980's)    2.3                  2.0                             2.0                                                  17
Companion slim    none              2.2                              2.2 (package opener)                  11.4

Thanks a lot! Can someone who has a Synergy X and a Companion do the same comparison for the nail file?

[matzesu]

I did use the Package Opener yesterday on the Package for my new Dual Screen Retrohandheld (AYN Thor), did cut quite good ^^

Anywone cut themself trying to close the Blade?
Me neither ^^

[pomsbz]

I ordered the Synergy X in red, my first new or different SAK in a very long time. My life is purely urban these days and I usually carry a Sportsman but the Synergy looked so shiny.. 

I like the cuttouts and the red looks great though I get the feeling with it in hand that this type of sparkly anodising might wear quite fast?

I like the absence of keyring nub which I always file off anyway.

This lock specifically is not something I like, I have liner locks in other knives and they're fine but none of them with a spring, especially as strong a spring as this. Putting your finger in the way is not my idea of fun. When I release a liner lock on a regular knife the blade sometimes drops to my finger but it doesn't have any force to start cutting into me. It also makes this knife a (careful) two hand close, a regular SAK can be closed one handed against my leg. Not a deal breaker but I ordered it before I even realised it even had a lock. Whoops.

The clip doesn't bother me in hand which I was worried about. Disappears.

I like the package opener, works really well, I still think a pruner blade is the ultimate package opener though! My kingdom for a Rancher in that colour!

In the end it went back in the box in the drawer and I ordered the 91mm Companion. Thing is that for urban use the package opener and nail file are great additions to a SAK but there's too much now missing for someone used to the simple Sportsman . With a regular Alox you can supplement with a classic but now you have too much overlap.

Or how about a Companion 'Sportsman' with the package opener rather than the can opener? I have a feeling that would be a hit. It's almost there already.