Post by: ThePeacent on January 05, 2019, 05:19:21 PM
This is the knife display at the USN UDT/SEAL Museum located in Ft Pierce Florida. This is what some SEAL teams carry or have carried in their missions :o
(https://i.imgur.com/YHI5fvU.jpg)
Post by: smiller43147 on January 05, 2019, 05:26:56 PM
Post by: CallsignBadger on January 05, 2019, 05:35:36 PM
Post by: RF52 on January 05, 2019, 08:09:46 PM
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Post by: CallsignBadger on January 05, 2019, 08:25:22 PM
Post by: Nix on January 05, 2019, 08:46:42 PM
(http://thumb1.zeppy.io/d/l400/pict/254037510864/buck-buckmaster-184-survival-knife-original-version-1984)
It was called the 'BuckMaster'. It was developed by Buck as a 'survival knife' possibly with the SEALs in mind (?). The two spikes on the guard are removable (for normal use). The spikes get installed to transform the Buck 184 into a grapnel hook. I think the handle is hollow, intended to be used to stash 'survival' gear.
I've heard that the knife actually gets pretty good reviews....except it's very heavy. I think the weight killed it and the 184 got dropped. Apparently the 184 inspired the 185, the BuckMaster LT:
(http://www.survivalknife184.com/buck185lt/buck185lt/buck185lt-1.jpg)
I don't know much about the 185 knife, but it does look lighter!
Post by: Nix on January 05, 2019, 08:48:51 PM
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The Buck Model 185 was not made very long and discontinued in 1989. According to Joe Houser at Buck Knives there where only about 6000 made from 1986 to 1989. Joe said "1986 we made 4000. We only made another 2000 before dropping it from the line in 1989".
Post by: styx on January 05, 2019, 08:59:52 PM
Post by: Nix on January 05, 2019, 09:09:20 PM
USMC:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41Cexr4h1ZL._SY450_.jpg)
Mk3:
(http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/23573/21576763_1.jpg?v=8D2137E22F5C380)
I guess SEALs are not gentle with their gear; I had one SEAL tell me he would never carry an expensive knife because he was just to hard on them. These guys also developed a non-magnetic knife for underwater work. I think it's at the bottom of the row with the BuckMaster. I forget the name of that one (MPK maybe?).
With regard to SAK's I know a couple of SEALs mentioned to me that they like SAK's with saw blades, but I don't recall a specific model. I'd be willing to bet the Camper or Farmer would be a prime choice, but I wouldn't bet against a Fieldmaster.
It always seemed to me that I was much fussier about the knives I carried than were the SEALs I've met and talked with. Always a mistake to generalize, but as a bunch they seem like pretty pragmatic people.
I don't know if today's SEALs have been bitten by the knife bug and are using fancier stuff. At one point, I thought I had heard Cold Steel's SRK was being used in training. Most military PX's carry the SRK as well as still carrying the venerable USMC Kabar.
Post by: Nix on January 05, 2019, 09:09:49 PM
Nix is there anything you don't know?
I don't know?
:rofl:
Post by: Nix on January 05, 2019, 09:10:45 PM
The older I get, the more I realize how much I don't know! :rofl:
Post by: Sea Monster on January 05, 2019, 09:40:28 PM
the user themselves is also not necessarily objective in their criteria and selection, and officially requested gear, or privately purchased gear, is just as likely to be affected by personal whims or fantasies.
of cause, I'd be putting whole departments of colonels and aides, hangers-on, speech writers, misc support staff out of business if I just said "All Government agencies get Mora Knives, move on" the economy would probably collapse.
Post by: RF52 on January 06, 2019, 12:18:07 AM
RF, are you referring to this one?That's the one
(http://thumb1.zeppy.io/d/l400/pict/254037510864/buck-buckmaster-184-survival-knife-original-version-1984)
It was called the 'BuckMaster'. It was developed by Buck as a 'survival knife' possibly with the SEALs in mind (?). The two spikes on the guard are removable (for normal use). The spikes get installed to transform the Buck 184 into a grapnel hook. I think the handle is hollow, intended to be used to stash 'survival' gear.
I've heard that the knife actually gets pretty good reviews....except it's very heavy. I think the weight killed it and the 184 got dropped. Apparently the 184 inspired the 185, the BuckMaster LT:
(http://www.survivalknife184.com/buck185lt/buck185lt/buck185lt-1.jpg)
I don't know much about the 185 knife, but it does look lighter!
I still think it looks awkward to use even if the grappling hook conversion makes it kind of cool!Sent fra min FRD-L09 via Tapatalk
Post by: cody6268 on January 06, 2019, 01:52:26 AM
The SAKs:
Victorinox Explorer (in fact, if you zoom in; you cansee it clearly)
And Victorinox C-something another. By the length of the word, guessing Champion or Craftsman, likely the latter more than former.
Gerbers:
MP600SS, MP600BO, MP600DET.
Post by: SteveC on January 06, 2019, 01:57:12 AM
(http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff366/C1911/Navy/SEAL%20Museum/160_zpsc0bf870b.jpg)
(http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=1092891)
Post by: SteveC on January 06, 2019, 02:01:01 AM
Does anyone know what the folder? is in the top left hand corner?
The SAKs:
Victorinox Explorer (in fact, if you zoom in; you cansee it clearly)
And Victorinox C-something another. By the length of the word, guessing Champion or Craftsman, likely the latter more than former.
Gerbers:
MP600SS, MP600BO, MP600DET.
It's labeled as a multipurpose folding demo knife
Zoomable pic Here (http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=1092891)
Post by: Alan K. on January 06, 2019, 02:38:26 AM
Post by: styx on January 06, 2019, 10:02:02 AM
Post by: Poncho65 on January 06, 2019, 04:21:34 PM
Post by: ThePeacent on January 06, 2019, 06:34:51 PM
thanks for the additional pics! :tu:
Post by: eTripper on January 07, 2019, 12:03:56 AM
(http://cdn0.thetruthaboutknives.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IMG_0334-600x450.jpg)
Post by: CallsignBadger on January 07, 2019, 03:01:54 AM
Post by: SteveC on January 07, 2019, 05:56:14 AM
Post by: eTripper on January 07, 2019, 06:56:33 AM
(https://www.vancouvertacticalsupplies.com/knives/images/knife_survival_l.jpg)
Post by: eTripper on January 07, 2019, 07:00:04 AM
Post by: styx on January 07, 2019, 10:25:58 AM
Post by: LoopCutter on January 19, 2019, 09:47:40 PM
For deployments, they would take personal selected tools to have on base, usually without personal attachment, yet missions may require set specs.
Buck does have a very nice fix blade designed by a former Navy Seal, the "245". https://www.buckknives.com/product/245-matt-would-go/0245MCSMWG2-B/
It is one knife I know for certain was designed by a Seal and is marketed to his honor. Presently out of stock.
Post by: VICMAN on January 20, 2019, 05:42:58 PM
RF, are you referring to this one
It was called the 'BuckMaster'. It was developed by Buck as a 'survival knife' possibly with the SEALs in mind (?). The two spikes on the guard are removable (for normal use). The spikes get installed to transform the Buck 184 into a grapnel hook. I think the handle is hollow, intended to be used to stash 'survival' gear.
Here are 2 pics of my Buckmaster.
Click on pics for best pictures.
Post by: RF52 on January 20, 2019, 10:11:34 PM
But where are the spikes?RF, are you referring to this one
It was called the 'BuckMaster'. It was developed by Buck as a 'survival knife' possibly with the SEALs in mind (?). The two spikes on the guard are removable (for normal use). The spikes get installed to transform the Buck 184 into a grapnel hook. I think the handle is hollow, intended to be used to stash 'survival' gear.
Here are 2 pics of my Buckmaster.
Click on pics for best pictures.
Sent fra min FRD-L09 via Tapatalk
Post by: SteveC on January 20, 2019, 10:42:10 PM
Post by: Nix on January 21, 2019, 12:24:44 AM
But where are the spikes?
The spikes are removable. You can screw the spikes into the cross guard in order to use the knife as a grappling hook. The lanyard ring is strong enough to attach a strong rope to it. The knife gets tossed up to grab fast to a ship's railing or a tree, etc..... Then you climb on up!
This always seemed like a bad idea, especially in the dark.
I don't like the idea of throwing a knife up over my head and hoping it catches on something strong. A big heavy knife falling down toward my head in the dark doesn't sound great. :dunno:
Post by: SteveC on January 21, 2019, 01:02:42 AM
Post by: Nix on January 21, 2019, 01:03:05 AM
Post by: Nix on January 21, 2019, 01:03:48 AM
Buck does have a very nice fix blade designed by a former Navy Seal, the "245". https://www.buckknives.com/product/245-matt-would-go/0245MCSMWG2-B/
It is one knife I know for certain was designed by a Seal and is marketed to his honor. Presently out of stock.
The 245 is a nice knife. Buck does a nice job with it and the grinds on mine are quite good.
(https://i.imgur.com/zLv52vX.jpg)
I do like the 4” clip blade and Buck’s treatment of the 5160 steel. 5160 doesn’t seem like the best choice for a salsmurfer knife, but it is well known for it’s toughness, and it takes a good sharp edge.
I do not like the handle. The downward curve of the handle limits it’s utility in some grips. I find that my big hands don’t fir the handle all that well. The finger grooves are OK in some grips, but feel unnatural in others.
I think a slightly bigger handle with less pronounced finger grooves would make this a more universally comfortable handle. A straight handle would make it more useful.
Post by: RF52 on January 21, 2019, 05:02:36 AM
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Post by: lister on January 21, 2019, 01:18:03 PM
The spikes are removable. You can screw the spikes into the cross guard in order to use the knife as a grappling hook. The lanyard ring is strong enough to attach a strong rope to it. The knife gets tossed up to grab fast to a ship's railing or a tree, etc..... Then you climb on up!
This always seemed like a bad idea, especially in the dark.
I don't like the idea of throwing a knife up over my head and hoping it catches on something strong. A big heavy knife falling down toward my head in the dark doesn't sound great. :dunno:
So not only can you fall down when the grappling hook fails, you also get a knife stuck in your forehead when the said grappling hook comes down after you... :woohoo:
:D
Post by: VICMAN on January 21, 2019, 01:24:17 PM
But where are the spikes?
Here are 2 pics of my Buckmaster.
Click on pics for best pictures.
The spikes are in one of the pouches on the sheath. :D
They get in the way for normal use.
Post by: VICMAN on January 21, 2019, 01:25:13 PM
Sweet Buckmaster Vman ! :like: :tu:
Thanks Steve! :cheers:
Post by: VICMAN on January 21, 2019, 01:27:44 PM
The 245 is a nice knife. Buck does a nice job with it and the grinds on mine are quite good.
I do like the 4” clip blade and Buck’s treatment of the 5160 steel. 5160 doesn’t seem like the best choice for a salsmurfer knife, but it is well known for it’s toughness, and it takes a good sharp edge.
Nice knife Nix! :like: :tu: :tu:
Post by: RF52 on January 21, 2019, 02:40:04 PM
Cool looking knife without the spikes too :cheers:But where are the spikes?
Here are 2 pics of my Buckmaster.
Click on pics for best pictures.
The spikes are in one of the pouches on the sheath. :D
They get in the way for normal use.
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Post by: genevabuck on January 21, 2019, 04:50:50 PM
Post by: Nix on January 21, 2019, 04:52:42 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on January 21, 2019, 05:29:35 PM
I guess SEALs are not gentle with their gear; I had one SEAL tell me he would never carry an expensive knife because he was just to hard on them. [...]It always seemed to me that I was much fussier about the knives I carried than were the SEALs I've met and talked with. Always a mistake to generalize, but as a bunch they seem like pretty pragmatic people.Shows they probably rely less on knives than one would think/movies suggest.
It can also be seen in the design of the issued knifes that go from "double edged dagger with cross-guard" (Fairbairn-Sykes) style to a more general utilitarian knife (I presume more reliable weapons and better supply chain are a major factor for this).
Post by: SteveC on January 21, 2019, 05:56:51 PM
A few years ago I posted a thread here with pictures of members of SEAL Team 6 carrying chrome Leatherman WAVES.
This one ? No mention of Chrome :think:
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,29205.msg500834.html#msg500834
Post by: VICMAN on January 21, 2019, 06:34:10 PM
Cool looking knife without the spikes too :cheers:
Thanks RF52! :cheers:
Post by: genevabuck on January 21, 2019, 08:16:07 PM
A few years ago I posted a thread here with pictures of members of SEAL Team 6 carrying chrome Leatherman WAVES.
This one ? No mention of Chrome :think:
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,29205.msg500834.html#msg500834
Yes, scroll down for pic of Aaron Vaughn.
Post by: genevabuck on January 21, 2019, 10:11:21 PM
Chromed? That's some fancy bling.... :o
:oops: I meant stainless steel.
Post by: papadan on January 23, 2019, 06:48:28 AM
Post by: styx on January 23, 2019, 02:45:30 PM
I've already made the plans! My KaBar is why I am even alive, and it will be buried with me.
good choice
Post by: Sam Lim on January 23, 2019, 02:51:45 PM
Post by: VICMAN on January 23, 2019, 03:14:11 PM
I got this off ebay a while back. Probably nothing official but a pretty cool piece to own. :cheers:
Cool Wave Sam! :like: :tu: :tu:
Post by: Nix on January 23, 2019, 03:34:36 PM
I've already made the plans! My KaBar is why I am even alive, and it will be buried with me.
Photograph of the aforementioned KaBAr? :pok:
Post by: Sam Lim on January 23, 2019, 03:51:07 PM
I got this off ebay a while back. Probably nothing official but a pretty cool piece to own. :cheers:
Cool Wave Sam! :like: :tu: :tu:
:cheers:
Post by: SteveC on January 23, 2019, 03:59:21 PM
I've already made the plans! My KaBar is why I am even alive, and it will be buried with me.
Photograph of the aforementioned KaBAr? :pok:
+1
Post by: SteveC on January 23, 2019, 03:59:40 PM
Post by: papadan on January 25, 2019, 12:34:29 AM
This one was issued to me in 76, it still has the stains of the Nam jungles all over it.I've already made the plans! My KaBar is why I am even alive, and it will be buried with me.
Photograph of the aforementioned KaBAr? :pok:
Post by: Nix on January 25, 2019, 01:02:45 AM
Handle hold up OK in that damp environment?