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Title: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Taxi Dad on September 09, 2013, 10:51:34 AM
hi hope nobody minds this but i'd like to start a thread in this section If I've over 'bent' the rules please modds remove the whole thing.

as many of you may have spotted i'm a thinker (well most might say dreamer or fantasist  :whistle:)
I had a want for a Saw blade holder (originally for a gerber mod I've spoken to a few people about) one that was similar to the 'surge' jigsaw blade exchanger, yes I know Gerber do one on the Mp600 but nobody wanted to part with one for some reason  :think: :rofl:
so I went down the road of chatting through some ideas with the very gifted member 'Tofty'. he took the idea and ran with it....leaving me way behind, to be honest, and has come up with, what I think could be a winner ?!?!
I'll let him explain and add his awesome pics but he didn't want to start the thread because of my (small) input, and his low post count. I pretty sure we all know Tofty and have seen his work. lots have even tried and tested his 'pry tool' in a pass round so i'm sure you'll agree he's NOT just one of those chaps who is here to 'sell' his stuff and move on ?
anyhooo I'm waffling (again) so i'll hand over to the man himself !
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Tofty on September 09, 2013, 11:30:18 AM
Thanks Taxi Dad, Hi all,

As Taxi Dad has said he approached me about the possibility of some kind of jigsaw blade holder or handle, so i set about coming up with a design for it.
I've initially gone down the 3D printing route although it is still far from certain whether it will be printable or not.

I personally prefer the idea of an adapter that would connect to a multitool rather than a fully handled piece, although that is still a possibility, so i looked at possible interfaces and decided on the Leatherman Lanyard attachment slot as there is a history of successful saw blade mods using it.

I can't personally think of any simple way of attaching an adapter to a multitool that can secure against both a push and pull sawing motion except for the Leatherman's lanyard point.
If you can think of one i'd like to hear about it.

I then thought about other sigsaw blade holders and their good and bad points:
The Leatherman jigsaw blade works well but it turns out that the blades supplied are non-standard in their thickness (2mm) compared to the standard (1.4mm). This means that without a spacer it can't hold anything but the supplied Leatherman blades.
The Gerber sigsaw blade holder is also non standard as many of that type of blade don't have the required hole in the middle essential for retention.

There are two different types of jigsaw blade interface, Leatherman use the larger type which can be easily retained with the right shaped slot. Gerber use the smaller type which has no proper retention features at all. I had a look at my powered sigsaw and found that it retains the blades through a clever friction method which is too complicated to add to my holder design.

The holder i've designed is simple if not exactly easy to use and will probably work with the smaller blade type but is primarily designed for the larger Leatherman type blades and will take both possible thicknesses.

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Toftylicious/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/JigsawHolder1002c_zps3635a592.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Toftylicious/media/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/JigsawHolder1002c_zps3635a592.jpg.html)

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Toftylicious/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/JigsawHolder1004b_zps5938682d.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Toftylicious/media/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/JigsawHolder1004b_zps5938682d.jpg.html)

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Toftylicious/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/JigsawHolder1003c_zpscbd623a7.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Toftylicious/media/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/JigsawHolder1003c_zpscbd623a7.jpg.html)

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Toftylicious/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/JigsawHolder1001c_zps6cd8f0fa.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Toftylicious/media/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/JigsawHolder1001c_zps6cd8f0fa.jpg.html)

Although the holder has been designed to be 3D printed the M3 threads for the grub screws will still need to be tapped as printing can't produce such fine threads. I wouldn't exactly call it a quick blade exchange system but it should hold the blade firmly and securely.

This is not a commercial venture as such, if the model prints and works successfully then it will be made available to print but as it requires post-print finishing i may offer some completed unit for sale at as low a price as is possible.
Any suggestions or observation as more than welcome and i'd like to know if there are any other possible applications for this.
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: AimlessWanderer on September 09, 2013, 12:48:06 PM
Nice job Peter  :tu:

A couple of thoughts ... as the blade doesn't have to fold, would it be worth looking at larger blades such as reciprocating saw blades or is the tang of the holder going to be too weak.

Another thought is that if you get the tang of the saw to sit deeper, you can get the grub screws to sit in front of the T in an internal dimple and not rely on friction. Less chance of a user feeling they have to bear down when tightening and strip the (delicate) threads ... although there is the possibility of the threads on the screw being damaged by the blade I suppose, which would make releasing the blade tricky  :think: Maybe the thread on the screw would be more durable to damage from the saw, than the holder threads would be to over tightening  :think:
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: enki_ck on September 09, 2013, 01:14:08 PM
I think you might be excused for bending the rules a bit here Tofty, but only cause it's you. :P Grant might :twak: me for saying it though. ;)

Now that's cool. :dd:

The amount of screws worries me though. Here's what I thought wen I saw it. A slide on lock with a compression tab to keep the saw in place. No screws. Maybe some jimping on the sliding part to make it easier to take off. Sorry for te quice MS Paint drawing. :D

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=47167.0;attach=56972;image)


Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: enki_ck on September 09, 2013, 01:16:35 PM
Nice job Peter  :tu:

A couple of thoughts ... as the blade doesn't have to fold, would it be worth looking at larger blades such as reciprocating saw blades or is the tang of the holder going to be too weak.
...

J-Sews already did that. They were being sold through EDCS some time ago.
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: AimlessWanderer on September 09, 2013, 01:17:43 PM
Nice job Peter  :tu:

A couple of thoughts ... as the blade doesn't have to fold, would it be worth looking at larger blades such as reciprocating saw blades or is the tang of the holder going to be too weak.
...

J-Sews already did that. They were being sold through EDCS some time ago.

Absolutely, but he did modified blades rather than a holder that could accommodate standard ones  :)
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 09, 2013, 01:18:35 PM
Both of these guys are loyal plier people, so I think we are good with them posting here.   :D

It looks like a great design so far, but I'm looking at it on my phone so I don't have anything constructive to add at the moment.

Def

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Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: bmot on September 11, 2013, 12:23:53 PM
Nice job Peter  :tu:

A couple of thoughts ... as the blade doesn't have to fold, would it be worth looking at larger blades such as reciprocating saw blades or is the tang of the holder going to be too weak.

Another thought is that if you get the tang of the saw to sit deeper, you can get the grub screws to sit in front of the T in an internal dimple and not rely on friction. Less chance of a user feeling they have to bear down when tightening and strip the (delicate) threads ... although there is the possibility of the threads on the screw being damaged by the blade I suppose, which would make releasing the blade tricky  :think: Maybe the thread on the screw would be more durable to damage from the saw, than the holder threads would be to over tightening  :think:


If I look closely at the pics, it seems it's not friction holding it in, but a 'bump'. The screws only hold the sawblade 'down' behind the bump... (I can't really explain it any better, I think... damn you words :rant: )


Edit: This shows best in the second and third pic.
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Nhoj on September 11, 2013, 12:47:47 PM
It has no name but I can think of plenty of adjectives to compliment it!
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: AimlessWanderer on September 11, 2013, 12:52:04 PM
Nice job Peter  :tu:

A couple of thoughts ... as the blade doesn't have to fold, would it be worth looking at larger blades such as reciprocating saw blades or is the tang of the holder going to be too weak.

Another thought is that if you get the tang of the saw to sit deeper, you can get the grub screws to sit in front of the T in an internal dimple and not rely on friction. Less chance of a user feeling they have to bear down when tightening and strip the (delicate) threads ... although there is the possibility of the threads on the screw being damaged by the blade I suppose, which would make releasing the blade tricky  :think: Maybe the thread on the screw would be more durable to damage from the saw, than the holder threads would be to over tightening  :think:


If I look closely at the pics, it seems it's not friction holding it in, but a 'bump'. The screws only hold the sawblade 'down' behind the bump... (I can't really explain it any better, I think... damn you words :rant: )


Edit: This shows best in the second and third pic.

Ahhhh - I see what you mean now Tom  :tu:
Ignore my previous stupidity please Peter  :D :D
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Tofty on September 11, 2013, 07:41:52 PM
Nice job Peter  :tu:

A couple of thoughts ... as the blade doesn't have to fold, would it be worth looking at larger blades such as reciprocating saw blades or is the tang of the holder going to be too weak.

Another thought is that if you get the tang of the saw to sit deeper, you can get the grub screws to sit in front of the T in an internal dimple and not rely on friction. Less chance of a user feeling they have to bear down when tightening and strip the (delicate) threads ... although there is the possibility of the threads on the screw being damaged by the blade I suppose, which would make releasing the blade tricky  :think: Maybe the thread on the screw would be more durable to damage from the saw, than the holder threads would be to over tightening  :think:


If I look closely at the pics, it seems it's not friction holding it in, but a 'bump'. The screws only hold the sawblade 'down' behind the bump... (I can't really explain it any better, I think... damn you words :rant: )


Edit: This shows best in the second and third pic.

Ahhhh - I see what you mean now Tom  :tu:
Ignore my previous stupidity please Peter  :D :D

Tom is indeed correct, the blade drops in behind two posts that retain the 'wings' of the blade's interface and the grub screws just keep the blade from moving out of this position. There are four grub screws because i wanted to reduce twisting and keep the blade as secure as possible, all blades are subtly different so friction retention is still an important part of the design to avoid unwanted movement.

The design also allows the smaller blade type to fit inside the holder but they would only be retained by the friction of the grub screws so probably not a great idea as jigsaw blade's teeth are arranged for cutting on the pull stroke rather than the push stroke like hacksaw blades.


I think you might be excused for bending the rules a bit here Tofty, but only cause it's you. :P Grant might :twak: me for saying it though. ;)
Now that's cool. :dd:
The amount of screws worries me though. Here's what I thought wen I saw it. A slide on lock with a compression tab to keep the saw in place. No screws. Maybe some jimping on the sliding part to make it easier to take off. Sorry for te quice MS Paint drawing. :D

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=47167.0;attach=56972;image)

Thanks enki_ck it's a good idea for a quick blade exchanger, the only problem is the poor surface finish and low detail resolution of current 3D printing which limit the complexity of the design,
I'll keep it in mind though for future revisions.


Nice job Peter  :tu:

A couple of thoughts ... as the blade doesn't have to fold, would it be worth looking at larger blades such as reciprocating saw blades or is the tang of the holder going to be too weak.
...

J-Sews already did that. They were being sold through EDCS some time ago.

Absolutely, but he did modified blades rather than a holder that could accommodate standard ones  :)

So long as the Leatherman lanyard interface works as a printed object then any other type of tool adapter can be substituted for the jigsaw holder including a reciprocating blade holder, proper 1/4" hex driver or even a 1/4" square driver.
J-sews' blades were a great idea but my plan is to allow non speSmurfpillsed tools, blades and bits to be used which could be bought from any hardware store so only a multitool and adapter need to be carried.


Both of these guys are loyal plier people, so I think we are good with them posting here.   :D
It looks like a great design so far, but I'm looking at it on my phone so I don't have anything constructive to add at the moment.
Def

Thanks Grant, i tried to make sure this thread was in the right spirit for this sub-forum.


It has no name but I can think of plenty of adjectives to compliment it!

Thanks Nhoj......i think. My idea was to call it the 'Blade SAWted' but i suspect that's rubbish.
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: bmot on September 11, 2013, 11:56:41 PM
Hmmm.... the "bladeyard"-attachment?  :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Rorschach on September 14, 2013, 08:30:39 PM
How about the blade clip?

Looks awesome anyway, I want one ;)
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: livan on September 15, 2013, 03:53:36 AM
вариант (http://s013.radikal.ru/i322/1309/bb/91849e7a73e8t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/fp/806f18c004804e0ea910e287f44d052d)
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: CanadianLMfan on September 21, 2013, 04:04:41 PM
 :tu:
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Tofty on September 25, 2013, 01:04:45 AM
I'll do a proper update tomorrow but thought i'd show off the pictures of the prototype.

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Toftylicious/EDC%20Keychain/JigsawHolder001b_zps97728274.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Toftylicious/media/EDC%20Keychain/JigsawHolder001b_zps97728274.jpg.html)

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Toftylicious/EDC%20Keychain/JigsawHolder003b_zps15a4f0bb.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Toftylicious/media/EDC%20Keychain/JigsawHolder003b_zps15a4f0bb.jpg.html)

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Toftylicious/EDC%20Keychain/JigsawHolder004b_zps2fb84763.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Toftylicious/media/EDC%20Keychain/JigsawHolder004b_zps2fb84763.jpg.html)

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Toftylicious/EDC%20Keychain/JigsawHolder006b_zps7876e8f1.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Toftylicious/media/EDC%20Keychain/JigsawHolder006b_zps7876e8f1.jpg.html)

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Toftylicious/EDC%20Keychain/JigsawHolder007c_zps4491b938.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Toftylicious/media/EDC%20Keychain/JigsawHolder007c_zps4491b938.jpg.html)

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Toftylicious/EDC%20Keychain/JigsawHolder009b_zps76aacf5d.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Toftylicious/media/EDC%20Keychain/JigsawHolder009b_zps76aacf5d.jpg.html)
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: derekmac on September 25, 2013, 01:38:52 AM
Damn tofty, that looks great!:tu:


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Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: sawman on September 25, 2013, 01:48:24 AM
I love it!  If this becomes available, I may just have to get another Wave and compliment it with one. SPLENDID work!  :D :tu:
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: gregozedobe on September 25, 2013, 03:05:47 AM
I love it!  If this becomes available, I may just have to get another Wave and compliment it with one. SPLENDID work!  :D :tu:

Looks very promising  :tu:
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Tofty on September 25, 2013, 01:21:57 PM
Hmmm.... the "bladeyard"-attachment?  :facepalm: :facepalm:

I'd say that such a name implies the ability to store blades as well so yeah it's a Picard facepalm from me on that one as well i'm afraid.


How about the blade clip?

Looks awesome anyway, I want one ;)

Interesting, but i'd go more towards 'saw' rather than 'blade' so perhaps 'Saw Clip' or 'Jigsaw Clip'.

Thanks hopefully we can make it work.


вариант (http://s013.radikal.ru/i322/1309/bb/91849e7a73e8t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/fp/806f18c004804e0ea910e287f44d052d)

Good idea, a clever design that doesn't require extra tools to replace the blades.
The problems as i see them though are a thread that fine will be hard to print and the lanyard ring attachment will most likely bent under sawing stresses as it's made of quite thin steel. The attachment point on the prototype is thicker than the lanyard ring as it makes use of all available space inside the multitool which the lanyard ring does not.


:tu:

Thanks, i suspect this project is right up your street.


Right onto the update....

The pictures above show what appears to be a fully working prototype and to some extent that is true, in that the concept has been proved to be sound and that 3D printing can achieve the desired detail and accuracy (caveat to follow).
However i've cheated a little bit, the jigsaw blade cavity is slightly too small so i trimmed down the blade itself to allow it to fit. I suspected this would be the case as working out the material shrinkage factors of internal cavities is always very difficult with 3D printed object, but after a bit of measuring i can just correct the model slightly and it should be fine there after.

The threads were  quite easy to tap and feel strong enough to do the job. The grub screws i had to hand were only 4mm long when i had designed for 6mm so that's why they are so deep into the holder.

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Toftylicious/EDC%20Keychain/JigsawHolder007c_zps4491b938.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Toftylicious/media/EDC%20Keychain/JigsawHolder007c_zps4491b938.jpg.html)

As you can see from the picture i had to cut away some material from around the base and i also had to extent the locking slot out a bit, but again with these things taken account of on the model there is no reason why a run of jigsaw holders couldn't happen.

Price will be the issue though as the model printed in stainless steel costs 23 euros + postage and that's before the threads are cut, grub screws added and further postage is considered.
I can fettle the model slightly to try and bring the cost down by a euro or two but that's about it.


Damn tofty, that looks great!:tu:

I love it!  If this becomes available, I may just have to get another Wave and compliment it with one. SPLENDID work!  :D :tu:

Looks very promising  :tu:

Thanks guys, now that the Leatherman clip interface has been shown to be printable pretty much anything can be added to the other end, even the sort after plunger attachment
:sak:
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Rorschach on September 25, 2013, 07:29:36 PM
Looks awesome! Price is a little higher than I had hoped for but I think it would be worth it. I can tap my own holes and have loads of grub screws to keep cost down ;)
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: CanadianLMfan on September 27, 2013, 02:03:45 PM
 :drool:
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: ducttapetech on September 27, 2013, 02:26:42 PM
Nice work! Damn fine engineering.

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Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: rdub934 on October 05, 2013, 04:55:29 PM
Holy cow. I want one. Please tell me someone is going to make these available for purchase. I would definitely get one to keep with my Wave.
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: nuphoria on October 05, 2013, 08:25:57 PM
Got nothing constructive to say about the design, except what a great idea! :cheers:
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Sparky415 on October 05, 2013, 10:34:56 PM
Got nothing constructive to say about the design, except what a great idea! :cheers:

What she said  :salute:
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Tofty on October 08, 2013, 12:43:48 PM
Thanks everyone, i've made the modifications needed and the model should be good to go.
The model is now up on Shapeways for purchase but still requires an M3 tap and some grub screws to finish it off (a comparable unified thread could be cut but i'm not sure which).

I'll order another one to make sure everything is correct then perhaps discuss with the powers at be whether a small run of finished versions is a good idea.
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Taxi Dad on October 08, 2013, 01:18:50 PM
 :gimme:
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: ducttapetech on October 08, 2013, 01:19:22 PM
Sweet! Thanks Totfy

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Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: CanadianLMfan on October 09, 2013, 02:00:11 PM
:gimme:

+1
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Essexman on October 09, 2013, 03:47:21 PM
Great design idea and development guys, well done indeed.

Just requires a slot for tritium   :D
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Tofty on November 08, 2013, 10:27:02 PM
Thanks Guys,

Time for an update; got the revised jigsaw holder back a few days ago and it works perfectly.
I did discover something new however and that is that the wave clip slot is a slightly different size to the charge. It doesn't mean the holder won't fit but it does mean a bit of filing is needed down one edge of the interface clip, not the end of the world though and in the charge it fits like a glove.

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Toftylicious/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/JigsawHolder017b_zpsffc78163.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Toftylicious/media/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/JigsawHolder017b_zpsffc78163.jpg.html)

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Toftylicious/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/JigsawHolder019b_zps21a65b4e.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Toftylicious/media/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/JigsawHolder019b_zps21a65b4e.jpg.html)

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Toftylicious/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/JigsawHolder018b_zps7b6bcb69.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Toftylicious/media/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/JigsawHolder018b_zps7b6bcb69.jpg.html)

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Toftylicious/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/JigsawHolder021b_zpsb3f8b765.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Toftylicious/media/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/JigsawHolder021b_zpsb3f8b765.jpg.html)

As you can see i got a bit carried away and painted the text to make it clearer and stand out.

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Toftylicious/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/JigsawHolder011b_zps2c0312db.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Toftylicious/media/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/JigsawHolder011b_zps2c0312db.jpg.html)

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Toftylicious/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/JigsawHolder012b_zps75f4a3e8.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Toftylicious/media/Leatherman%20Charge%20Damascus%20Mod/JigsawHolder012b_zps75f4a3e8.jpg.html)

I'll have to have a think about how to proceed with these.
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Taxi Dad on November 08, 2013, 10:37:03 PM
looking good Peter !
thanks for the update, Xmas is coming ;)
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: enki_ck on November 08, 2013, 11:14:54 PM
Looks cool. 8)

Do you think you could find someone to make them for you at a more affordable price than Shapeways? You could sell them through EDCS as Bob did with the saws. 
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Whoey on November 09, 2013, 11:50:57 AM
"klip-sawz" ?

Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Syncop8r on November 22, 2013, 07:29:05 AM
Nice. How about one that clips into a Leatherman Bit Driver (so the end would be like the end of a bit driver extender)?
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Cupboard on November 22, 2013, 12:05:09 PM
Wouldn't that just fall straight out as soon as you pulled it?
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Taxi Dad on November 22, 2013, 12:27:59 PM
Nice. How about one that clips into a Leatherman Bit Driver (so the end would be like the end of a bit driver extender)?

Wouldn't that just fall straight out as soon as you pulled it?
Peter thought of all those issues ! clever dude that he is  :whistle:
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Cupboard on November 22, 2013, 07:36:52 PM
Hold on a mo...

Peter's design deals with the falling out issue because it locks in to the locking tab. The bit driver has no locking tab so one that fitted in to the bit driver would just fall out wouldn't it?
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Smashie on November 22, 2013, 08:05:39 PM
Why do I have the irrational urge to buy one of these for my Surge?
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Taxi Dad on November 22, 2013, 08:36:02 PM
any news on availability Peter ? (impatient aren't I  :whistle:)
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Syncop8r on November 22, 2013, 09:57:41 PM
Wouldn't that just fall straight out as soon as you pulled it?
The bit holder on my Skele has a little latch to keep bits in place but yes, they will come out with some force - and given most jigsaw blades work on the pull stroke you would have to be careful.
Having said that, people have modded jigsaw blades to go straight into bit holders.
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Tofty on November 25, 2013, 06:57:57 PM
I've just ordered a small number of these (5) so some should be available just before christmas possibly.

I don't know of any other manufacturing process that could produce these parts in the overall shape and cavity layout required, other than 3D printing. Also as far as i know Shapeways are the cheapest provider of stainless printed material there is, so for now they're pretty much the only choice.

The Skeletool bit holder is a possibility as the side clip would help retain it, however it doesn't hold the bits in completely securely as they can be pulled out by hand even with the clip engaged.
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Etherealicer on December 04, 2013, 11:12:42 AM
I've just ordered a small number of these (5) so some should be available just before christmas possibly.

I don't know of any other manufacturing process that could produce these parts in the overall shape and cavity layout required, other than 3D printing. Also as far as i know Shapeways are the cheapest provider of stainless printed material there is, so for now they're pretty much the only choice.

The Skeletool bit holder is a possibility as the side clip would help retain it, however it doesn't hold the bits in completely securely as they can be pulled out by hand even with the clip engaged.
I'm looking forward to this, might have to get me one for... wait I don't have a reason but then I don't need one. I really love this project.

Name Suggestions:
Jiggsawjiggle
Jiggsaw-Juggler
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: J-sews on January 20, 2014, 05:37:52 AM
Excellent bit of engineering work there Peter! :tu: (sorry it took so long for me to notice this thread) Have there been any further developments on this project? :)
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: gregozedobe on January 20, 2014, 05:42:26 AM
Excellent bit of engineering work there Peter! :tu: (sorry it took so long for me to notice this thread) Have there been any further developments on this project? :)

I'm also interested in buying (a finished) one  :tu:
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Tofty on January 22, 2014, 10:37:41 AM
Thanks Guys,
There are 3 Jigsaw Holders up on EDCSource right now:
http://www.edcsource.com/Toftys-Jigsaw-Holder,name,117042,auction_id,auction_details
These probably won't be the last but i can't say when some will next be available.
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: gregozedobe on January 22, 2014, 01:10:19 PM
Thanks Guys,
There are 3 Jigsaw Holders up on EDCSource right now:
http://www.edcsource.com/Toftys-Jigsaw-Holder,name,117042,auction_id,auction_details
These probably won't be the last but i can't say when some will next be available.

Thanks Tofty. :tu:  There are now 2 left.  Please make mine to suit a LM Charge.
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Tofty on January 24, 2014, 10:02:15 AM
Thanks a lot Greg,
I'll try and get it in the post for you tomorrow.
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Tofty on February 14, 2014, 11:31:11 AM
Just a reminder that the Jigsaw Holders will be up on EDCSource for just a few more days, after that i'll be doing something different with them.
Link: http://www.edcsource.com/Toftys-Jigsaw-Holder,name,117042,auction_id,auction_details
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: screwloose on February 22, 2014, 11:47:44 PM
can't you make one to fit in the MUT?
soi can get rid of the carbon scraper and replace it with a replaceble saw!!
 :multi:
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: skygear on February 02, 2015, 04:49:34 AM
Got one. Gold. Stupid M3 x 6mm are inexpensive enough. Then they want $10 for shipping.
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: skygear on February 02, 2015, 04:48:04 PM
Could have put a couple trits on it with all this extra real estate.
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: skygear on February 02, 2015, 04:49:04 PM
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/02/fb796a2dd998dd280d6d026bf191d672.jpg)
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Beynon5 on July 23, 2015, 12:18:30 PM
Ah I seem to be reviving a dead thread here but -

These look amazing and I'd love one for my wave. Are there any still available to purchase or indeed to be made?  :D

I dont mind if I have to fettle a little with the charge model!  :)

I have to be honest - I'm part of many other forums for many other things (I'm a keen guitarist etc) and I've never known ingenuity and innovation like it!
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: gregozedobe on July 23, 2015, 12:29:37 PM
Ah I seem to be reviving a dead thread here but -

These look amazing and I'd love one for my wave. Are there any still available to purchase or indeed to be made?  :D

I dont mind if I have to fettle a little with the charge model!  :)

I have to be honest - I'm part of many other forums for many other things (I'm a keen guitarist etc) and I've never known ingenuity and innovation like it!

Maybe send a PM to Tofty and ask him where these are currently at ?  In case he doesn't see this thread.
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Etherealicer on July 23, 2015, 12:35:23 PM
Ah I seem to be reviving a dead thread here but -

These look amazing and I'd love one for my wave. Are there any still available to purchase or indeed to be made?  :D

I dont mind if I have to fettle a little with the charge model!  :)

I have to be honest - I'm part of many other forums for many other things (I'm a keen guitarist etc) and I've never known ingenuity and innovation like it!

Maybe send a PM to Tofty and ask him where these are currently at ?  In case he doesn't see this thread.
Links are in Toftys signature

Tool with no Name (http://www.shapeways.com/product/JVHF3S7MG/jigsaw-blade-holder-for-lm-wave-charge?li=shop-results&optionId=43760888)
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Beynon5 on July 23, 2015, 12:38:46 PM
Ah I seem to be reviving a dead thread here but -

These look amazing and I'd love one for my wave. Are there any still available to purchase or indeed to be made?  :D

I dont mind if I have to fettle a little with the charge model!  :)

I have to be honest - I'm part of many other forums for many other things (I'm a keen guitarist etc) and I've never known ingenuity and innovation like it!

Maybe send a PM to Tofty and ask him where these are currently at ?  In case he doesn't see this thread.
Links are in Toftys signature

Tool with no Name (http://www.shapeways.com/product/JVHF3S7MG/jigsaw-blade-holder-for-lm-wave-charge?li=shop-results&optionId=43760888)

Thanks for that! On it now! :)
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: AdmSlc on September 10, 2015, 04:59:46 AM
I like what I see here.  :gimme: :gimme:
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Obi1shinobee on December 12, 2016, 05:54:52 AM
 :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :gimme: :gimme: :gimme: :gimme:
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: kaput on December 12, 2016, 07:52:36 AM
:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :gimme: :gimme: :gimme: :gimme:
No kidding. This is epic!
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: justbill on April 15, 2017, 03:56:30 PM
That's AWESOME Tofty :2tu:

Am I correct in reading that it will retain the Remgrit type shank also?
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Outback in Idaho on August 09, 2017, 01:17:47 PM
  What does one of these gizmos cost for a Charge?
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Mechanickal on August 09, 2017, 01:24:42 PM
  What does one of these gizmos cost for a Charge?
$22.19 according to the selling website...
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Outback in Idaho on August 09, 2017, 01:29:57 PM
  What does one of these gizmos cost for a Charge?
$22.19 according to the selling website...

  Not bad. Had noticed the Charge Saws stopped being sold at the MTO store. Still have one CNC blade I carry with mine, though this one might work out better if it can use hacksaws too. Thanks.
Title: Re: the tool with no name ! (yet)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 05, 2017, 04:12:23 AM
There should be there of them listed there now.

Def