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Has anyone used or still use a 360° Camera in their outings? Think Grant uses one.
Would be good to see some previews, links, experiments, and overall use & tips using them.
I picked up a Vecnos (https://www.vecnos.com/us/) IQUI 360 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B092YVFZV4?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details) camera that looks a lot like a Men in Black Neuralyzer. The copany styarted last year in Japan and seems to be a bit hit over there. And a lot of reviewers cannot think outside the box on it, and I been experimenting with various takes and positions. Also should have a 360 Fly coming in soon if customs plays nice. Grant uses one of those on his Kayak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnEWvBsRjBo
Unfortunately is does not have that the effect of a Neuralyzer. I been toying with it in the car, at work, and along the rural roads on the recumbent trike. Not much of a socialite. :\
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61PJZOolvsS._AC_SL1500_.jpg)
I can post mine to Facebook, so far, as 360 is it is not touched, enhanced, or any of that. Otherwise it posts a photo into a small video with the affects added. I have posted a few not so glamorous shots to Facebook. Not really gotten anywhere as of yet that has much fascination, but works great as evidence at work. Can show me in the photo and the work I had done, or the amount of boxes I threw. So in that, if there was a beef with a driver on those heavy night, I can show a photo - with me in it. So that's a plus. Also you can capture (somewhat) a photo of a pretty girl or group of miscreants in a flash. Power on, photo, power off. Maybe 1 second. Can stash it easily as well, and does not grab attention.
Wished I had this when I was fighting wildland and forest fires in my 30's. I could of had some really good photos to show!!
It can take up to a 30 second video, that's it. Videos, so far, cannot be edited by the IQUISPIN app. So is mostly photos that get all the luv.
Flikr does not seem to like raw 360 photos. Hmm...PNG format... ???
Here's a try from Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4290175161041937&set=pb.100001484864157.-2207520000..&type=3
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I heard their development has come full circle. ::)
Looks cool. Can modern (ie not mine) phones do this?
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I heard their development has come full circle. ::)
Looks cool. Can modern (ie not mine) phones do this?
Would be interesting if they could, or have some sort of snap-on adapter - but with multiple cameras on the back of most phones... :ahhh
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In an earlier test with the IQUI I posted a 360 video to YouTube. It came out perty much like what photos do without software to view them with. Unsure if there is a standard sharing type,, or of this is all still too new. But if viewed on a smartphone through a compatible app you can see 360°.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ8aM0VTyYE
Windows 10+ has a 3D viewer, but uses: 3mf, fbx, obj, stl, ply, gltf, & glb file types. :ahhh
A person can use the IQUI to see past barriers if the head of the camera can fit through, under, to the side, over, etc. Although it was probably not designed for such activities. If someone was hiding behind the corner of if there was something or somebody messing around a blind area, the camera could give you a view not otherwise safe to do so. Bad part is this does not use any form of night vision, but the concept could be opened for that - we have the technology.
Went out and put this IQUI in the neighbors flower garden, pointed downwards. This was a photo originally. Set angle to point downward, as it catches everything around it within view. Many motion settings, I chose a simple horizontal roll. Added orbs for an effect, has a good amount of 'social' effects. Then saved and uploaded the video. That's perty much what this camera does. However it will detect faces and you can beautify them, and the scene, eve apply different photo affect before changing it to a video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iSy2QZW4Lg
Each 360 camera has its pros and cons, and some software is better than others.
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That's a lot of cameras. ::)
I could not resist. Apologies. :P
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I looked at the videos and thought to myself...Outback...run...there is something paranormal happening in that second one..and then I read. :facepalm: :D
I was curious about those 360 cameras where you can take a still shot and then move the screen about in a virtual kind of way. I never really did look into it much however. That died when my dreams of using a drone died with new Canada/Ontario drone laws that basically force you to get insurance and a pilots license to use one over a certain weight.
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I looked at the videos and thought to myself...Outback...run...there is something paranormal happening in that second one..and then I read. :facepalm: :D
I was curious about those 360 cameras where you can take a still shot and then move the screen about in a virtual kind of way. I never really did look into it much however. That died when my dreams of using a drone died with new Canada/Ontario drone laws that basically force you to get insurance and a pilots license to use one over a certain weight.
Juts got a cheapo drone to see if its batteries would fit a dragon one I got last year. The battery went missing, and dragon said they don't make extra batteries ... sort of stupid IMO not to make extra batteries. Here you have to apply to the FAA something called TRUST which I heard was mandatory.|
A pilot's license? Insurance I could see. Wanted one to take photos of my on the trail as those whom I ride with ado not take photos. I like to look back on life, like now, am watching the videos from last October's rides. Gives me hope and motivation.
This 360 stuff is all new to me. More of an eye opener. The 360 Fly has one camera facing up yet you can scroll around in any direction on the video. Seen a kayaker video, but its unlisted. Not sure how it with work on a recumbent trike. Will be interesting.
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Surprisingly Flick'r recognized two raw 360 photos I posted. Thumbnails looked distorted, then clicked on them and the photos were indeed in 360. By default Flick'r has them slowly rotating, but can freely move with the mouse.
My test videos were of the chip aisle at a store. Was their inventory day so I had the top shelf a very few boxes in back. When I would take photos before people would like to get in front of the phone camera. But with this small IQUI camera no one notices it as a camera. :D Thus no customer photo bombs.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51345095618_613723f044_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mec36h)CA001 (https://flic.kr/p/2mec36h) by Outback Idaho (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156880715@N04/), on Flickr
Double posting links in case one fails to show correctly here. ;) That did not work out.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51345095503_df3951765d_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mec34i)CA002 (https://flic.kr/p/2mec34i) by Outback Idaho (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156880715@N04/), on Flickr
Okay... direct links to images from forum show the distorted looks. So have to use the Flick'r shared links instead. Otherwise it look like smurf.
Also found that Windows 10 "Movies & TV" app does show 360° video. The default video player does not recognize the video as 360.
Am sure things will evolve over time. :pok:
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Looks like YouTube wants raw 360 videos, no enhancements after the video was recorded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW5j-1Bhonc :D Ahh, progress. :cheers:
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Good to see we can pan around in that last video, I couldn't in the others. :dunno:
Seen a kayaker video, but its unlisted.
Grant put some up today: https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,77988.msg2267177.html#msg2267177
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I heard their development has come full circle. ::)
Looks cool. Can modern (ie not mine) phones do this?
There was one for Samsung phones. I don't know if it caught on, if it worked with certain phones or what. It was basically a keyhole shape with a camera on either side of the round part. I can't comment on its effectiveness as I have never seen or used one.
Currently I have a 360Fly HD, a combination of GoPro and 360 camera, in a unit the size of a Clementine orange, or only slightly larger than a golf ball. It also weighs almost as much as a similar sized cannonball.
It would have been state of the art when it came out, but that was a while ago. I picked it up for about $50, which I thought was a good deal for a camera still listed places for its original MSRP of $500.
It has a single lens, which gives you a 360 degree field of view in whichever direction it is pointed. It does show relative down fairly well, although there is a much bigger footprint than there would be in a multi lens camera.
A friend has the Insta One 360 (first and second generations, but he is a professional photographer/videographer, so you expect him to have better camera toys than I do!) and it is far superior to the 360Fly HD.
I'm pretty happy with the 360Fly though, and I wish the company would keep developing it. They seem to have stagnated though, and I wonder if they went under.
Either way, it does what I need it to, even if the app is a bit on the buggy side.
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I looked at the videos and thought to myself...Outback...run...there is something paranormal happening in that second one..and then I read. :facepalm: :D
I was curious about those 360 cameras where you can take a still shot and then move the screen about in a virtual kind of way. I never really did look into it much however. That died when my dreams of using a drone died with new Canada/Ontario drone laws that basically force you to get insurance and a pilots license to use one over a certain weight.
Look at the DJI Mini 2 or Mini SE. Both below 250g, both are excellent drones. The Mini 2 has a better camera- 4K versus 2K for the SE.
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Oh...I did not know that they were making drones for the Canadian market to bypass those laws. I will look into it. Thanks for the tip. :hatsoff:
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The Ricoh Theta seems appealing: good optical quality, robust construction, decent support, and quite affordable on the secondary market.
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Oh...I did not know that they were making drones for the Canadian market to bypass those laws. I will look into it. Thanks for the tip. :hatsoff:
250g is the cutoff for most nations. Anything under 250g doesn't require a license, insurance or really have any of the drone rules apply. Just don't be a smurfhole with it and fly around runways or spy on your neighbor's wife and you should be okay.
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Am looking for a lanyard with a grip attachment for my IQUI 360 camera. Vecnos has no plans on making one, although a tripod adapter and a plastic lens cover is coming out soon - already on the Japanese market.
The main tube is 15.75 mm wide. It is a triangular shape with rounded corners. Each of the three wider flats denotes where the camera lens are. Only want a thin 15mm long grip on the tube with a way to add/remove a lanyard, preferably a neck lanyard, but those are easy to locate - it's something to grip the barrel is what I'm more after.
Ideas welcome. Paracord would be too much for this I think.
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Did one of them Tiny Planet zoom-outs, or was that a zoom-in ... :think:
Was taking a 360 of a fallen tree in a local park. Think it took out another across the creek. Sure hope they make a wooden bridge out of this instead of cutting it all up. In the old days when kids were taught to be kids that would of happened, maybe. Now days everything has to be emo friendly.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51358501616_1e0b3fa9ff_h.jpg)
Now rocking this image on my Facebook page. Can imagine more possibilities in the future like this. :)
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Here is a photo converted to video using a smartphone app.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3yGD5jThR0
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Very cool Jim!
What app did you use for that?
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IQUISPIN is the app for the IQUI 360 camera. It only change photos imported from the camera. Unfortuntely it does not view or render other photos on the phone. It's one way only.
Even with photos to videos, those get saved to the phone and the original photos stay behind until transferred.
Am guessing Vecnos' way of sharing 360 photos is to convert them to mini videos. I have not found a Windows app r program that views 360 photos. Videos, Windows TV & Video will play 360 videos and can be panned around in. Supposedly VR equipment can view 360 photos, but I do not have such an animal.
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From the first frame in the IquiSpin app you can enhance faces and use a format to enhance or alter the 360 picture. For a recent fallen tree photo I enhanced it twice. Then was rolling the screen and pinched in or pinched out and got that Tiny Earth as the call it. Played around with it on the smartphone and captured a few screen shots before going to select an effect, motion, and angle for each person.
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Out paddling on the ocean yesterday and I brought the 360Fly along.
I'll post the video when I get it all processed and stuff, but so far it looks pretty good.
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I'm guessing this is a 360° video but they didn't save it in such a way as to allow the viewer to pan (they panned it themselves during editing)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpVefKX1XoI&t=68s
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The software for the 360Fly allows you to do that too. I can choose what people see be either following a subject as it moves around the camera, or choose one direction to keep in frame, like a standard camera. Or, I can use it as a 360 camera as intended.
The annoying thing is that the app on my phone limits video output to 4 minutes. I have finally managed to connect it to my PC (have I mentioned the software can be a bit buggy?) so I'm going to experiment with it a bit and see if the PC software offers any different options.
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I'm guessing this is a 360° video but they didn't save it in such a way as to allow the viewer to pan (they panned it themselves during editing)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX4hWfyHr5g
These are a 360 video, Good Sir :salute:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrW6xCvSZ2c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS9g0IgwHsU
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These are a 360 video, Good Sir :salute:
They're cool. :tu:
What I mean is, I'm guessing they used a 360° camera to record it but didn't process it in such a way as to make the viewing 360°. :think:
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They're cool. :tu:
What I mean is, I'm guessing they used a 360° camera to record it but didn't process it in such a way as to make the viewing 360°. :think:
They could of been using a wide-view lens or a fisheye then converted back to normal view, much like that of GoPro cameras. Does anyone know of a codec package that could let all computers to render 360 photos and videos? There has to be 360 software out there, and is probably expensive or requires a dreaded subscription... :dunno:
So if I posted this, would it be seen 360 or flat? Could not be uploaded... grr. :rant: Only 3.18 MB in size.
Grr... need to do the Flick'r code... (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51366791508_8e3c9142e5_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mg7ewm)WSUP8447[1] (https://flic.kr/p/2mg7ewm) by Outback Idaho (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156880715@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51366791508_8e3c9142e5_k.jpg)
New fire in Oregon. Luckily it is goi8ng to get in the mid 50's tonight. Felt so good outside tonight!!!! :D
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Seen some rather spectacular 360 photos on Facebook groups. Lots use Mavic drones and all sorts of 360 cameras. Theta seems popular, but there are people into some serious cash on their cameras, filters, software, etc. Makes me want to get a better camera but I think my best days are gone. Not as agile nor am I 30. Twice that soon.
Wished I had a 360 camera back in my 30's when I was fighting wildland forest fires. Could of had more to show than silly 10 self-timed photos with me in them. Most my friends don't know how to take a photo. Is why the IQUI by Vecnos is so wonderful, press a button and it's taken. Nothing gets chopped off. Seams are going to be there with multiple cameras, and that is where software comes in to alter that. So there is 360 software that can enhance a photo and make it seen as 360.
Last night I tried posting a new Oregon fire to Facebook, but the app kept crashing. Found the remedy, which makes no sense at all. Add at least two or more 360 photos and it will upload. Then edit and remove the other 360 photos. /shrug Facebook changes and breaks their stuff all the time.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/pano360/permalink/4247450608677891/
https://kuula.co/post/N5t0w?fbclid=IwAR2BfJduYKQ7Tdj_vccXpgPNHFd0sybBn_gH0nu5VGuZteKIBqjhZaMnf9A
https://www.facebook.com/groups/panoramicphotographers/permalink/4700044800039594/
If I was a traveling person, heck yea, invest in a 360 camera. you might even land a job. Seen a few 360 videos of houses for sale, even cars - you get to peer around inside the car for sale. The sky is NOT the limit. Imagine some of those cave systems, and other things more people will never see in their lifetimes. Instead of a video or a flat picture, now they can look ALL AROUND. :D
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As a landlord I like the idea of a 360 camera, especially in the days of COVID.
My buddy with the InstaOne 360 also does Matter port, which allows you to stitch 360 photos together to make a virtual walk through of a building, so I will probably sucker him into helping me with that soon. :D
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IQUI 360 Camera is limited to a 30 second video, and man those videos get large. Self-contained memory too, so cannot add any more memory to it. In any case, I was trying a few videos, and this is me cruising down the highway into Payette, Idaho. Had a letter to get mailed out, and needed a ride while it was under 80° F.
Short daytime 360 video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QVOSz2WYpw
Night Riding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EArsx4b33Xg
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I really need to get a tadpole one of these days....
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I'd love to get a 360 camera for going out on the four-wheeler! I was planning on getting an action cam to put on my helmet, but a 360 cam would be so much better! In theory anyway! lol
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So tempted to sell something to get a Ricoh Theta SC2. $269 on Amazon currently. Not sure I really want to spend this much on a 360 camera, but it has computer software too. Resisting the temptations.... :bnghd:
This is a video of the Theta V, but imagine the possibilities! :ahhh Wished I had a 360 camera when I was taking work-cations with the Census Bureau. So many things that could of been shared like you was there!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5JaN9s8IUg
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I'd love to get a 360 camera for going out on the four-wheeler! I was planning on getting an action cam to put on my helmet, but a 360 cam would be so much better! In theory anyway! lol
Message sent. :D
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Was wondering how long it would be before 360 photos could be put on some sort of media. Seen Snapspheres (https://shop.snapspheres.com/) on a 360° Panoramic Photographers on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/groups/panoramicphotographers/?multi_permalinks=4707452232632184) group. A bit expensive, and am sure other companies will get in on the action. Still, might be a good anniversary gift for that someone special ... if you have a 360 camera that is. ;)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1977/4995/products/IMG_7403_1_1024x1024@2x.jpg?v=1627662181)
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I'd love to get a 360 camera for going out on the four-wheeler! I was planning on getting an action cam to put on my helmet, but a 360 cam would be so much better! In theory anyway! lol
In my personal opinion, use both. Unless you have oodles to spend on higher quality lens for better detail, the action camera is still on top. Action camera can record longer and hold more data as they are only recording what they are pointed at. 360 cameras use loads of memory as they are taking in a whole lot of information. Anyone can view MP4 or JPG formats on just about anything. 360 though, even on phones with the leading technology still cannot render a 360 photo or video on their own. They need apps do do that, so there is no "one" 360 format that can viewed by all.
Am so tempted to get a Ricoh Theta SC2 for its many features. More bang for the buck. 2 lens. That should give a better 360 video on some of our recumbent trail rides that I can look back on and share. Then too I am no glamour model. The IQUI 360 needs a tripod mount. One has been developed, not released. Vecnos does provide a proprietary stand with a very light weight foot that slips on. I prefer secure mounts.
So the IQUI will still have its place. Can fashion an attachment and use the remote for still shots. It is more geared for stills than anything.
Theta SC2 can record moving 360 video and has software and settings for various recordings, and has a night life filter, and HDR with ISO settings to boost the look. Am assuming the video has enhancements and can be finalized into a more desirable and readable 360 format. We'll have to wait for technology to catch up. In the meantime there are a lot of 360 hosts out there, Kuula being one of them.
TMI I know. Am still wrapping my head around it all. :ahhh Biggest issues I have is not traveling as much now as my work does not take me there, and I do not have the major bucks to buy fancier technology. Was lucky enough to see the IQUI 360 camera on Amazon Vine, and I was seriously trying to talk myself out of it. Glad I didn't, but I has the 360 bug,
Use both. 360 for those short videos or amazing stills. Action camera for recording your trip. Bet you still use a camera or smartphone for stills. Imagine those now in 360. :o :o :o
I so wished these 360 cameras existed when I was with friends who went places and I had the time to go, or the Census Bureau work-cations of Atlanta, GA and New Orleans, LA. Would of probably needed something to offload the many videos and photos as I do tend to go overboard. Better to have more than not enough. :D
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In my personal opinion, use both. Unless you have oodles to spend on higher quality lens for better detail, the action camera is still on top. Action camera can record longer and hold more data as they are only recording what they are pointed at. 360 cameras use loads of memory as they are taking in a whole lot of information. Anyone can view MP4 or JPG formats on just about anything. 360 though, even on phones with the leading technology still cannot render a 360 photo or video on their own. They need apps do do that, so there is no "one" 360 format that can viewed by all.
Am so tempted to get a Ricoh Theta SC2 for its many features. More bang for the buck. 2 lens. That should give a better 360 video on some of our recumbent trail rides that I can look back on and share. Then too I am no glamour model. The IQUI 360 needs a tripod mount. One has been developed, not released. Vecnos does provide a proprietary stand with a very light weight foot that slips on. I prefer secure mounts.
So the IQUI will still have its place. Can fashion an attachment and use the remote for still shots. It is more geared for stills than anything.
Theta SC2 can record moving 360 video and has software and settings for various recordings, and has a night life filter, and HDR with ISO settings to boost the look. Am assuming the video has enhancements and can be finalized into a more desirable and readable 360 format. We'll have to wait for technology to catch up. In the meantime there are a lot of 360 hosts out there, Kuula being one of them.
TMI I know. Am still wrapping my head around it all. :ahhh Biggest issues I have is not traveling as much now as my work does not take me there, and I do not have the major bucks to buy fancier technology. Was lucky enough to see the IQUI 360 camera on Amazon Vine, and I was seriously trying to talk myself out of it. Glad I didn't, but I has the 360 bug,
Use both. 360 for those short videos or amazing stills. Action camera for recording your trip. Bet you still use a camera or smartphone for stills. Imagine those now in 360. :o :o :o
I so wished these 360 cameras existed when I was with friends who went places and I had the time to go, or the Census Bureau work-cations of Atlanta, GA and New Orleans, LA. Would of probably needed something to offload the many videos and photos as I do tend to go overboard. Better to have more than not enough. :D
Very good and valid points! I'm thinking of putting the 360 on top of my helmet, and then an action cam on either the handlebars or the front rack of the ATV. I'm not much of a video guy, but it would be cool to capture some of my trips out. I HATE video editing, but luckily my son likes it, so that part will be on him HAHA!
Definitely not TMI as I'm just starting to look into this stuff, so the more info the better! :cheers:
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I am wondering about Grant's 360 Fly. Just how far below the camera can it detect, see?
Seen a guy on his HP Velotechnik and he mounted a 360 above the headrest, which is about 4 feet off the ground. He had to of used a dual lens 360 camera, especially for the length of the video. 5 minute episodes. He does not say what camera he uses though...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmRY8ajWh_4
Playlist. It gets better, but notice how the pictures change in clarity from what an action camera would offer. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMvdis0AwVx-aUtcIgOrcbPK_4Pe54j4L
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It does leave a pretty big footprint, but to be honest, I was expecting a single lens 360 camera to be a lot worse than it is.
The software also let's you change the footprint to a logo or other picture, which is kind of cool.
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Seen a lot of Digital Photo Frames out there, yet do not see even one that inherently supports 360° photos.
No one wants to look at a flat 360 photo, they plain weird and not appealing. Now if a digital photo frame could post the 360 photo and do a slow auto rotate, and maybe even have a touch screen to view certain angles, zoom in, and zoom out, and also supporting high capacity SD cards --- then THAT would be the one to get!
Desired, a Movable/Rotatable 360 Sample Photo: https://kuula.co/post/7fyB6
Do not want static 360 photos.... (https://blog.kuula.co/assets/camera/sample-equi.jpg)
And since Multitool.Org is found in may high placements on topics throughout the world, maybe some manufacturers will sit up, take notice, and create a seller before their competition does. Hey Ricoh, are you listening? Samsung? Sony? Hello?? Vecnos??
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Found this free (community based) software that fixes/repairs metadata to post static 360 photos back to 360 photos. :)
https://exiffixer.com/
Panoramic images should be seen in all their interactive look-around glory. Unfortunately sometimes the information hidden inside an image that declares it to be a panorama gets mangled or lost, and places such as Facebook and Flickr just show it as a regular static photo. Editing your image or even simply sending it by email or Messenger can strip this vital information out.
Exif Fixer helps fix this; it reads the full details from a selected JPEG image, and if the required elements are missing it calculates and adds them for you.
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Interesting panorama of Quebec
http://quebec360.com/medias/panoramas/secteurs-de-quebec/vieux-quebec/quebec-vu-de-levis-hd/?fbclid=IwAR33qkgexGPH0SaR5O3_Web92owOM1W8Flo7byxu0LxFyOluo81Sz4Bk0kI
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Interesting panorama of Quebec
http://quebec360.com/medias/panoramas/secteurs-de-quebec/vieux-quebec/quebec-vu-de-levis-hd/?fbclid=IwAR33qkgexGPH0SaR5O3_Web92owOM1W8Flo7byxu0LxFyOluo81Sz4Bk0kI
Been there many times- in fact, my brother was not born far from there, and Megan and I have almost the exact opposite photo of that, taken from just above where you see the red Coast Guard vessel. And, during the FLQ Crisis, my father served there, standing guard on the steps of the Citadel- the large castle looking thing.
Absolutely gorgeous area- highly recommend it as a bucket list place to visit.
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Buddy of mine wants to go up north to ride. So I have two 360 camera to mount to the recumbent. Yeah... kind of jumped the gun and bought a Theta SC2 as well a 360 Fly 4K. :D
Took a couple of indoor and outdoor shots. Think the SC2 has outdoor mode. Has more modes than I can shake a stick at. Each seems to want to be connected to their own WiFi to for settings, but wondering if they can record without having to be connected, as can only connect to one at a time.
Not sure where I will mount the Fly yet. Had planned on running the SC2 up the headrest pole, but I only have tomorrow to figure out how exactly I am going to do this. Have two selfie sticks, but they are twist friction locks. Think I have a tripod around here with clamps on the extensions that should be more rigid. I do have a kayak mount, maybe I can try that for one or the other... might work okay on the Fly mounted off the rear rack as I am guessing the edge of the lens is the deck for view. Will have to dig out the mounts.
Indoors between the IQUI and SC2, the latter was more colorful. IQUI was more pale. Outdoors at night with some lighting the SC2 did better on skin tone and range. Moon was BIG last night with Jupiter above. Should of grabbed an iPhone 11 shot. Hence why Action Cams are better for detail, unless you have $2,000 to $5,000 for a better 360 camera.
Theta SC2 (2 lens)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51397077015_254aa48d26_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2miMsmg)Ricoh R0010012 (https://flic.kr/p/2miMsmg) by Outback Idaho (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156880715@N04/), on Flickr
IQUI Pocket (4 lens)
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Wrote Vecnos:
Is it true that the IQUI was made by Ricoh?
Was so hooked on this IQUI I did purchase a Ricoh Theta SC2 to grab longer videos of trail rides, and more defined photos.
Just got it in today. Accidentally took a shot indoors and was impressed. Lots to learn as there are waaay more options than the IQUI has.
See what IQUI started!
Their reply:
The IQUI was created by Vecnos Inc, who have a lot of engineers from the original RICOH THETA team!
Vecnos is a bit different than RICOH itself in a few ways, but at its core was created to reach a different market than the THETA line was.
So cool to hear you’ve jumped into the deep end of the 360 pool!
We are stoked to hear you like the champagne color! It is easier to partner with any setting 🙂
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With computer software one can zoom in and out. Maybe Kuula allows for zooming? Hmm... Yup! Can zoom!!
Ricoh
https://kuula.co/post/NLXKt
Vecnos
https://kuula.co/post/NLXZ7
Am sure Grant knows way more than I do about this. Oh, and the Theta SC2 is still pocketable. 3/4 on an inch taller than a can of soda about as wide though more flatter. Be great when paired with a selfie stick for those jaunts up a mountain. /hint Recommended this to a guy at church whom is going to a bear museum in a couple of weeks. 360 cameras have their niche.
Some people use fancy cameras, lens, photography licenses and such to put together like 110 different photos into a 360 picture. Way better, but how much time and money does that all take? :ahhh
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Interesting panorama of Quebec
http://quebec360.com/medias/panoramas/secteurs-de-quebec/vieux-quebec/quebec-vu-de-levis-hd/?fbclid=IwAR33qkgexGPH0SaR5O3_Web92owOM1W8Flo7byxu0LxFyOluo81Sz4Bk0kI
Check out this one of Tokyo: https://360gigapixels.com/tokyo-tower-panorama-photo/embed.html
You can zoom in quite a bit.
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Check out this one of Tokyo: https://360gigapixels.com/tokyo-tower-panorama-photo/embed.html
You can zoom in quite a bit.
Wowsers!!!! Those Gigapixels 360's are rather awesome. Like to see one done from out side Earth's orbit!
Imagine living here!!! Does FedEx/UPS deliver to the top floor???
https://360gigapixels.com/yick_fat_gigapixel_one_hong_kong/
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Today a friend and I went out for a ride on the Weiser River Trail, northern part of Cambridge, Idaho area. Did not have much time to prepare and I had like no hands-on with the 360Fly and little on the Theta 2.
Need to find a way of enhancing the gamma, brightness, something on the Fly. Waaaaay too dark for a sunny day.
Theta was set to record sequential photos on 10 minute intervals. I so should of set that to every minute or two. Was not enough photos.
4K Video said I had like 20+ minutes of recording room on the built-in 14GB memory, and HD (1080) would of help a tad more than 2 hours. BUT... (trains slams into the wall) the Theta SC2 only record 3 minute videos! :ahhh Did not know this till I got home, thinking I had a good 10 minute video. Pfft. Theta 5 records up to 25 minutes, and more with a plug-in. The Theta SC2 does not have a plug-in option.
Still a good photo camera. Going to see if there is a way to record video back-to-back. And the Theta 5 runs $500, and that is far too much for this fella!! :ahhh
Shady Stop #1
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Shady Stop #2
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IQUI Capture on setup
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Highway Bipass - Was like no traffic on the highway today, so we bypassed the gravel and chose the asphalt
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Last year this was a a very nice trail. Not so much this year.
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Big Valley Trestle
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Lot of bear scat along the roads here. A few badger holes. Birds.
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Headed Back to the truck.
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Skipped a lot of the madness. This was on the highway headed back. Maybe saw 5 vehicles, 2 being dump trucks.
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And a couple of shots on the IQUI by Vecnos - It has a different niche. Fits in a pen pocket though. Soooo portable!
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On the way back...
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Wished was a 360 format that can be viewed without special software or hosting sites. Maybe some day down the road? ;)
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Oh, and on the 360 Fly with OEM settings. Yeah, dark, blek. Will get some hands on this more. Grant? Any suggestions?
Oh, yeah, turn your volume WAAAAY DOWN cause this is N O I S Y.
Need a different mounting point, type, something dampning... something!!!! :pok: :rofl: :twak: :ahhh
https://youtu.be/lY8jdmGVFKA
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Yeah, the 360 Fly seems to struggle with light somewhat- when it's sunny the balance goes off a bit (as you can see in my kayak videos) and on cloudy days it gets really dark.
It seemed to succeed most on a sunny day when there was some tree cover over me. I would imagine it has difficulty being pointed directly at the sky when what you want to look at is to one side or the other.
I suppose it is just a weakness of this particular type of camera, and is likely why no one else is doing a single lens anymore.
Sorry I don't have a better answer for you, but so far it seems you have about as much experience with it as I do!
Def
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This would be considered a test video, 4K, of the Theta SC2. What I had thought originally was going to be a 10 minute video turned out to only be 3 minutes long. And with our poor internet connection it is taking a rather long time to upload at 5Mbit/second. You can scroll around though. Was trying to capture a bird sound which can be faintly heard at the beginning and near the middle-end. Heard more of them later on down the road, but the video timed out before then. :ahhh
https://youtu.be/n4vRm3IDelU
My buddy decided he had enough of trails. Probably because I cannot afford e-assist, and he hates having to pedal without the assist. Then too he's 74. I like to keep going until I cannot go no more, or until I see something making the trip worth while. We had another 5 to 6 miles to go to the next trailhead; we was at the half-way point going 3 to 4 MPH.
Tried to convince him to ride back with e-assist, take my pistol in case he saw a bear. Then he could bring the truck back to the closest trailhead, and I would tortoise back up the trail to meet him. Think he was scared to go back by himself (although he had done it before). Roger is such a great friend though. :2tu:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nohiROTXLQ
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That is pretty likely to be the coolest thing I am going to see all day!
Def
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Second attempt at using a 360Fly 4K on the recumbent trike. Tried a more forward mount, ahead of the headlamps, slightly upwards. Need a different mount, this one rattles too much. It was one of them that has a spring that ratchets in a circle. Mat try a boom out the back of the luggage rack next. Or mount on a square beam out the lower rack to one side. *sigh*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d3oxuR34-E
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Yeah, it's weird trying to get used to placing a camera that looks in every direction. I have a couple of GoPros, so I have never felt like I needed to use the 360Fly as a normal camera.
And yeah, no matter what camera I use, shaking always seems to be a problem.
Def
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Second attempt at using a 360Fly 4K on the recumbent trike.
I'm not getting the 360-ness. :shrug:
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I was more or less trying for find the best position and placement for that unusual 360 camera. And a more solid mount. Might have to use a rubberized spacer to cut down on the noise and vibration that gets picked up by the 360Fly's microphones. Will say the 360fly does pick up sounds quite well! :rofl:
Had the Theta SC2 up higher on my last run, but the bugger fell over to one side and held back by the safety strap. So found a way to get a far-to-one-side view. Need to find me a pole or solid mount to go up the headrest mount, up higher like the height of the flag, and mount it up there. Then go from there. Selfie sticks only have a friction-twist lock and I need something more secure.
It's trying to find the material to make one, of find one online that is not $100+ for a 4 or 5 foot pole. Need enough to mound to a per-existing post, then go up from there.
This seems to be the right height as it shows more than the back of my head, and shows enough that looks like I am riding a recumbent trike without showing so much of the belly. :rofl:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51476848599_ee99c3b93f_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mqQiEp)Theta SC2 caught use of IQUI 360 camera (https://flic.kr/p/2mqQiEp) by Outback Idaho (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156880715@N04/), on Flickr
And the IQUI capture of near the same time frame...
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It is a growing and placement process. If only more riders would share what works things would be better. :D
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Oops...
IQUI perspective...
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I have used an extandable selfie stick on a GoPro mount in the past with at least some success.
The only issue was I had to Frankenstein up a mount using a GoPro mount as a base (and attached to whatever) the use a GoPro to standard camera mount adaptor, then the variable height stick, followed by whatever adaptor or mount the camera needed.
Fortunately that particular selfie stick has attachments for both standard camera mounts and GoPros, so no faffing about at that end.
Def
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Where to get a 5 foot Carbon Fiber post with a GoPro mount on one end?
Soon as an extra definition keyword is added, Google and Amazon go out and find exactly what I am not looking for. Do not want it extendable, want it as one piece. :ahhh Argh! Try finding one simple item and search engines suddenly become useless. 2 feet for the mounting to a per-existing post (headrest post) and three feet sticking out. Heck, can even go with a 1/4"x20 threaded end for all that it matters. :dunno:
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Mine isn't quite 5 feet, but GoPro mounts are cheap and plentiful enough on eBay I'd be tempted to pick up a length of PVC pipe and make my own.
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Mine isn't quite 5 feet, but GoPro mounts are cheap and plentiful enough on eBay I'd be tempted to pick up a length of PVC pipe and make my own.
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ABS would be stiffer. If I can locate a camera adapter end on its own, then could get a pipe or post to fit it.
Have selfie sticks, but they are friction lock, which could/would come loose from road vibration. And the kayak mount I have been using did better with only one selfy stick attached. When I added the other extension to it, and took a turn, the whole thing came over to one side. This is why I was going to mount a single length to the headrest post on the trike so there would be no issues in keeping things up-right.
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Hmm... :think:
I can get a cheap aluminum cane for $20 that breaks down. Can use that for a mounting post and save me some bucks! Only have to find a camera adapter to fit inside, or make one. It is more of the weight issue I am concerned with.
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Roger and I rode part of the Boise River Greenbelt yesterday before taking Rover back in to get the hub swapped from a Sturmey Archer XRF-8w to a NuVinvi n380. Was a good way in seeing the old hub out, on a nice journey. Saw some deer. is strange how most people do not even notice nature.
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No idea who the person next to me was. She was riding with her man friend further up the trail. Roger was behind me some distance.
On top of the ... bridge!
We seem to have forgotten where the sexier trestle wood planked bridge was, so we opted for this one.
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Very cool trip!
One ofnthese days I'll get myself a nice tadpole. I really like them, but I'm not a fan of the price tags! :ahhh
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This video is on making money/recognition of Google's Street View Path. The camera they mentioned only costs $1500. Dirt cheap, eh? :rofl: :mail: :woohoo: :whistle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubpb1jL0eFY
Gives me some ideas. If I had $1500 to buy something I'd invest in an e-motor for the recumbent trike. :twak:
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Good point!
I feel like I have better things to spend $1500 on as well, but that is pretty cool nonetheless!
Def
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Good point!
I feel like I have better things to spend $1500 on as well, but that is pretty cool nonetheless!
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Especially with an MTO.org challenge coin at the base of the nadir. :D The Advertising from a hike, kayak route, etc.
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A tasty photo from Far East Cafe in Ontario, OR. Jimbo's closed up in Payette do the cook's health, and nothing beats a more home-cooked dinner. This one came out steamy hot, but had to wait for the ride to take photos. Enjoy! :D
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Richo is releasing their Theta X this March. No doubt this one is going to be expensive with a larger touch screen, 1/2 inch camera sensor, External MicroSD slot, removable battery, USB-C charging port, 60MP. ~ https://pentaxrumors.com/2022/01/24/ricoh-theta-x-camera-announced/
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I'm guessing this is going to be a $5K camera since it beats all of the current competition. As of now it does not support RAW images. But things can change. Also this camera uses different lenses. What I would do to be a reviewer of the camera, but we need to dry up more here in Idaho for some road trips first.
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The THETA X will be available in March for $799 USD.
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My buddy has given me his old Insta360 1x. It's two generations old, but very cool.
I will post something when I have something worth posting....
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Just to update this thread with a cool cave pic I took with the Insta360 1x.
https://s.insta360.com/p/915959d2bc811d5aa19091ab436bc3cf
This is very cool, and there will be more coming!
Def
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Got an Insta360 X3, although I have A LOT to learn about editing videos. Was able to record for a rather long period with a decent selfy stick! Grabbed a few screenshots from the video. Is a drone-like photograph with "me" included. Have been wanting this for ages!!
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And I apologize for fading out there. Started a new job in April that has been wearing me out. Saturdays are my only real day/night off, and I usually go riding. Theta SC2 has been a letdown, it only takes intermittent 360° photos for any since of the word, and video is limited to 3 minutes. GoPro 6 Black only shows what is out in front of me. And I bought a cheap Holt Stone mini-drone, yet I've not gotten it in the air yet.
So now, the Insta360 X3 has been a blessing for a near drone-like footage, minus the long shadows of the selfie stick. :rofl:
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Was on vacation a couple of weeks ago. Friend took me to a Tater TOT (Trikes Only Tour) in Kellogg, Idaho. Think I must of been the only one whom did not have a moose encounter. Wished I had the 10 foot Insta360 stick back then, but got a photo of a bridge on the way to Wallace,
Was saving up camera memory space for a planned trip to the Hiawatha Trail, but... sadly, the did not happen. An outrigger crossbar fractured and was grounded the last two days. Should of gotten more photos and video than I did. Still new to the X3 360° camera.
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Rover with M625 1KW Bafang motor
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Selfie outside of Wallace, Idaho
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At the Center of the Universe (https://www.facebook.com/pages/The%20Center%20of%20The%20Universe/147115965333264/)
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Bridge to Wallace
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I can see there is an issue from this forum rendering 360° images on Flickr. :think:
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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53014237306_3f753d04e1_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oLFPLf)Bridge to Mullan (https://flic.kr/p/2oLFPLf) by Jackaroo Jim (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99100139@N06/), on Flickr
Let me try these...
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Experimenting...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/99100139@N06/53042346673/in/dateposted-public/
(https://flic.kr/p/2oPaTGv)Bridge to Mullan - Take 2 (https://flic.kr/p/2oPaTGv)